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June 12, 2019 07:01 AM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

  • 40 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“Time is precious, but truth is more precious than time.”

–Benjamin Disraeli

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40 thoughts on “Wednesday Open Thread

  1. Like most people I have fears, things that scare hell outta me that I mostly try not to think about.

    I list them here in no particular order – but would like to rank order them.

    Escalating US involvement in Yemen
    Climate Change
    Ebola outbreak
    Terrorism
    DUI/DWI drivers
    Trump gets reelected
    lightning
    getting shot by a bad guy with a gun
    Illness or Long term disability
    President Pence pardons former president Trump
     

  2. 1..drivers

    2..illness

    3..terrorism/guy with gun

    4..4 more years of "Orange Destruction"

    5..Climate change

    6..Ebola

    7..Yumpin' Yemeni

    8..Pardon my Ass.

    9..lightning.

    1. "Vampires, Mummies and the Holy Ghost"

                                                                       — Jimmy Buffett

                                                                               

  3. Well, fuck me.

    Ways and Means Committee Chair Doesn’t Want Medicare for All Hearing to Mention “Medicare for All”

    Rep. Richard Neal, a Massachusetts Democrat who has been in office since 1989, told the Democrats on the panel that he didn’t want the phrase “Medicare for All” to be used. Instead, he said, the hearing should focus on all the different ways to achieve “universal health care” or “universal health coverage,” which he said was a better term to deploy. Medicare for All, he argued, was wrong on policy and is a political loser, sources present for the meeting, held last Wednesday, told The Intercept.

    1. From the perspective of getting doctors on-board he may have a point. We need to address the common complaints about Medicare if we want something called "Medicare for all". I frankly think expanding access to the Medicare system is the easiest route, but we have to sell it as stable, efficient, and accessible, and we have to address reimbursement levels vs things like doctors' debts.

      1. He's saying people shouldn't use the words.  There are two bills that use the words.  How can you have a hearing on the subject, for which bills have been introduced, without using the words?

        1. "The health care that must not be named act of 2019!"

           "You got a nice Heal Care bill there.  Be a shame if somebody named it act of 2019."

          Now quit your bellyaching and pass the damn thing!

          1. Actually there are other ways to fix health care, beginning with fixes to ObamaCare. I bookmarked the pages from a link provided couple weeks ago by MJ that outlined the options.

  4. Anyone know when the Recall Sullivan group has to file financial reports with the Secretary of State?  It should make for interesting reading.

    1. They dropped the effort against Sullivan, claiming there is lower-hanging fruit to go after. Doesn't that restart a clock to produce the reports?

    1. Huh?  What about the rural electrics that made our rural communities power houses?  Our cooperative telephone companies?  Community District Hospitals?  Rural highways that would never pay for themselves with rural-only gas taxes? THE POST OFFICE.  

      <sigh>

      1. Don't forget the CCC socialist workers that built Red Rocks, Garden of the Gods, and a fair amount of National Park infrastructure. 

        And speaking of socialism … what about the recreational facilities in cities & towns.  Economy simply wouldn't be the same without county, state, and national lands being open for recreation (and some other enterprises, too).

        K-12 public education strikes some of us as socialism — government ownership and operation of a major industry to produce social goods.

        1. I mean, K-12 public education isn't socialism, really, but it is basically the sort of thing Sanders is advocating for and Hickenlooper is objecting to, so his insistence that "socialism" like what Sanders wants is divorced from what's going on here in Colorado is just nonsense bs.

          1. Pre school through12 education is pretty much socialism, with a few fascist furbelows at the free and reduced lunch counter.  It's pretty much what made this country great.

            i loved a comment Nixon made about higher education when so many pri vileged kids were rioting about Vietnam:

            "To hell with Harvar d.  I can run this country with Ohio State!"

            Yes, you could, with a little help from Metro State and the Colorado School of Mines!

            1. No, it's just a social service. Socialism is about restructuring society to abolish class domination and creating free access to the means to produce and survive. Sanders is pushing social services which would be structured very similarly to K12 education, tho.

                1. Not really. People all around the world still use socialism in this sort of revolutionary context. Socialism and communism are alive and well, more so since the fall of the USSR than they ever were in the latter half of the last century, fueling resistances from the Zapatistas to the YPG to the NPA and so forth.

              1. Bird, you actually have a correct understanding of the economic model. Everyone else – from Bernie on down – has a different definition.

          1. I was referring to Frackenloopers' comments. I agree w/ dp consistently more than I do with you two corporate apologists.

            The status quo is NOT providing for the vast majority of Americans. It is time for some fundamental changes in American society.

          1. Hickenlooper is such a trash fire of a candidate that I'm starting to wonder if he lost a bet where the wager was that he had to go yell at socialists for a month.

      1. Perhaps he's more into Democratic Socialism in reverse?  The billions our great patriot farmers get in subsidies, from the many to the few?  The depletion allowance for the O&G boys?  The free pass industry gets on using our atmosphere as a dumping ground, costing society billions each year in direct and indirect health costs?  The crop yield loss we get in Colorado from excess ozone (via the natural gas industry)? 

  5. Michael Flynn has himself a new attorney, and I dare say we haven't seen wingnut lawyerin' of this quality since lawyer/dentist Orly Taitz was working diligently to get Obama booted from office for want of natural born citizenship.

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