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December 08, 2009 07:57 PM UTC
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Why I would never use an ideologue to take a hill.
When its popular you claim they are teabaggers and make other assorted nasty comments. Fox News then makes a mistake and you claim justice and deceit in the same sentence.
For illustrating my point.
Did you run out of buildings in your neighborhood to tag with your gang signs? Now you resort to tagging blogs with your graffiti? Do you have a fish bait tat also?
No pictures of union firemen protesting Ritter’s veto of SB 180 last year?
A political movement is a group of people working together to achieve a political goal. Have the teabaggers worked together to do anything other than protest? What is their goal? Collectively, there appears to be a common goal of “less government” but as a group they agree on nothing more than “Obama Bad.” Do they have a leader? If their leader is Glen Beck, they have real problems. He is no worse than any other self-promoter, but he does not have any of the markings of a leader. The teabaggers are not organized or focused. Unless or until that happens, McInniss is making a big mistake in courting their support rather than just giving lip service to there “ideals.”
This seems a much more apt description…..
Sticky business, trying to appease the fanatics. The Teabaggers don’t seem interested in an actual platform or concrete ideas so much as they just seem interested in rioting and bitching and at the end of the day, that’s all they need to do to undermine McInnis.
And how in God’s name can Wadhams, with a straight face, claim the Republican Party didn’t clear the field? Hell, even Democrats are talking about how beautifully the R Party managed to shut down the opposition and maneuver McInnis into a position of taking on Ritter directly, instead of wasting precious dollars on a primary. Well, they were talking about it before the Teabaggers got riled up…maybe now it isn’t looking so brilliant after all.
A noble cause nevertheless
and watching the whole sad scenario unfold. Pols has called it well. Hell, we’re not even that far into it and there is a rift between McInnis, Wadhams and the teabaggers and Penry, which will probably grow with time.
Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. If you don’t embrace and champion the pie-in-the-sky anarchistic ideas of the teabaggers you lose support and enter as a weak candidate. If you do, you look like a loon and scare the crap out of the middle and enter as a weak candidate. McScotty thinks he’s clever enough to placate both, but he’s not going to get far on that strategy and may end up alienating BOTH THE MODERATES AND THE TEA BAGGERS as Pols points out.
He has to take a side, but he won’t, which will be his downfall. Mealy-mouthed flim flam R candidate, anyone ?
I am all for 3rd parties, especially when they siphon votes off from the other side. Caribou Barbie now has left the door open to being a 2012 tea party candidate as well, so I would characterize her as the useful idiot.
Could it get any better ?
is losing control of the fringe elements on which they have come to rely. Third party challengers only have to take a significant chunk to take away an election, as Ross Perot did here in Colorado, giving Bill Clinton the plurality win here he failed to repeat without such assistance in his second run.
From state level to national level, this appears to be getting out of hand for the GOP. Having pushed ideological purity and smiled on fantasy conspiracy theories to fire up the fringe, the fringe now demands the GOP take it all as seriously as they do.
To the ideological fringe any level of compromise with the opposition is consorting with the enemy. The opposition isn’t just wrong but evil, un-American and involved in all kinds of conspiracies to destroy the real America. This leaves GOP pols no way to function as politicians outside of a shrinking safe universe anymore but ideologues don’t care about that. Higher up the food chain Sarah Palin is now leaving the door open for a third party run in 2012.
In difficult times like these the best thing the majority Dems have going for them is the promise of third party assaults on the GOP from the fringe, the fringe the GOP fired up in the first place. In partnership with the Fox/rightie radio axis, they created Sarah, the tea party movement, the birthers et al and now the monster has a life all its own. I like it.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo…
The Prty consists of groups that simply don’t share the same values any longer. Under those circumstances, the GOP is bound to disintegrate.
When LBJ embraced civil rights and thereby split the party with the South leaving us for the Republicans. It doesn’t mean the GOP will disintegrate, it just means that they are finally facing the issue where they’ve given words but not deeds to several of their major interest groups.
The Dem party never came anywhere near as close to eliminating all but one of its various components. There has never been a collection of Dems in congress that were anywhere near as exclusively hard left as the GOP is now exclusively hard right.
Back in the 60s there were still both Ds and Rs all over the left/right map. Neither party sought to define itself within the confines of such a specifically defined ideology as the GOP increasingly does today. Many areas still existed in which compromise on legislation was possible and such compromise was seen as constructive.
Neither party, in those days, faced as much difficulty as today’s GOP now faces as a narrow based ideological party in a two party system in which it is so difficult for third parties to have any influence beyond that of spoiler. There is no history of multiple parties forming coalitions in our system as there is in many parliamentary systems.
It is more likely that a strong Tea Party that rejects the concept of compromise as comporting with the enemy will be a detriment to the GOP than that it will strengthen the GOP as a potential partner, allowing the GOP to itself to return to the middle. They will not be willing to partner with a more centrist GOP.
The Republicans aren’t the only ones.
hey…. wait a minute
in which all but one or two Senators are liberals who consider moderate and conservative dirty words. That’s the big difference now.
Dems squabble but that’s because Dems really are big tent. Rs have eliminated most intra party party squabbles by shrinking the tent. They are now challenged by a movement that demands even more shrinking, the Tea Partiers.
Dems are sometimes tripped up by a Nader, their own most liberal wing, the power of the unions or of a few Blue Dogs. This causes problems with pushing through legislation even while in the majority. Still, Dems now have more ability to attract votes from a broader base than do 21st century Rs. The last few election cycles attest to that. The position is the Dems to lose. And Dems are unfortunately pretty good at that, too!
simply because they have nowhere else to go? Will it be enough to overcome the damage they might do by attacking him between now and then?
Look at NY-23. By any sane person’s definition of the word, they lost the election. But to them, they saw it as a victory because the RINO didn’t win. If they see McInnis as a RINO, or trying to usurp Tea Party support, then they’ll make it their mission to see to it he doesn’t win.
Then when Bill Ritter is inaugurated for his 2nd term, they will declare victory and look at what other “RINOs” they can attack in 2012. All this, while nominating Palin/Bachmann as their ticket against Obama at the 1st ever Tea Party convention in Wasilla, AK.
I didn’t read your handle well enough. Sorry for the confusion OEO.
acronyms are good. They remind me of Campbell’s soup — the kind with the noodles in the shape of letters.
That the Teabaggers run a petition candidate in Nov. ’10 against the major party candidates. What would that involve? How many signatures would they need and by when?
Another, easier possiblity is that they hijack the American Constitution Party and run a candidate for Guv. (What would be involved in doing that, Barron X?)
The next to worst case scenario is that they simply sit on their hands and do nothing. While that certainly doesn’t help Scooter, there’s still a path to winning the governorship asuming that Ritter fails to win back those unaffiliated and RINOs who supported him in ’06. Scooter running as the former head of Republicans for Choice would certainly be able to bring home some, if not most, of the RINOs.
Are there more RINOs or Tea Partiers?
Let me post a quote from the comments section of an editorial in today’s Daily Sentinel
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confusing a O&G shill with a RINO !
He’s still in it, right? They’re so desperate to vote for Josh Penry, they’ll ignore the people who are already in the race.
They don’t think.
They just hate.
They’re “agin’ers”
Using them in any kind of campaign or political movement is like herding cats. Or worse, because they’ll turn on you in an instant.
unless he does something stoopid or doesn’t show real cash in 4Q
I love how these “tea baggers” have decided to engage politically, and now that they are engaged they want everyone to think that clearing the field for a candidate is something new. This is not some crazy recently unveiled conspiracy. This is how politics works. The R’s do it and the D’s do it. It makes sense!
I don’t understand throwing the R that you can agree with, 95% of the time, under the bus to make a point, and then get Ritter for another four years who you can only agree with 50% of the time. Wake up dumb asses you are actually hurting the cause.
that’s a completely logical explanation of the inevitable outcome. Stop that.
If you were involved in the Republican Party at all, you would know that this is exactly how the vast majority of your party thinks. It is the reason the party is becoming a small regional party, unable to enact policy at all. I know, I was the ultimate insider for more than 20 years. I’m not a Republican any more because of this type of thinking. I give you the same challenge that I give everyone who thinks they are really a Republican. Go out and immerse yourself in the party for 2 years. Get involved in committees and campaigns and conventions. Then come back and tell me what you think. If you are one of those who believes in a narrow set of principals first and winning second, then you’ll like what you see. If you don’t, then you’ll be like me. An unaffiliate who will never belong to this Republican Party and who doesn’t think things will get better in his lifetime.
I’ve been involved probably far more than you have in conventions and party activitities. Served as County Party Sec. and Chair, worked for two US Reps (paid staffer) and one US Senator. Let’s compare resumes if you like. The vast majority of our party does not think like the “tea baggers”.
oh and P.S. – Go fuck yourself I like my nickname! LOL
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I would use the dash.
McInnis, Wadhams, etc. don’t understand one big change that has occured in the last 6 years. With the web who you are is now out there and you have no control over it. You no longer get to present a candidate in a certain way and have that stick.
You can explain some actions, you can emphasize certain traits, you can try to push the focus to certain issues, but a candidate & team is just one of many many players and they have little true influence.
If you understand this, then you find how to best take maximum advantage of who your candidate is. If you don’t understand this you try to control the story and that effort becomes an additional part of the McInnis picture (and not a positive one).
The McInnis campaign is handling this in the worst possible way – and it’s biting them in the ass big time. I understand why they are doing this – it’s what used to be the best avenue. But the world has changed and they have not adapted (yet).
And if they do adapt, they’re going to find another unwelcome surprise – that this stuff remains. Nothing goes away anymore and so all of their missteps will be presented front & center day after day all through Sept/Oct/Nov.
Today 140 Coloradans found out their jobs have been moved.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_1…
Indiana gets 300 new jobs.
It’s because the budget crisis and TABOR restrictions meant we couldn’t offer Frontier enough incentives to keep their maintenance facility here.
Besides, this thread was about something else. Post your random bullshit to the open thread.
And didn’t southwest airlines offer a lot more to frontier debt holders then the acquiring firm?
All Denver had to do was kill the head tax and delete the business asst tax.
to then require the public to pick up the tab for the costs associated with an airport and doing business?
Keep thinking on it, you just might understand eventually.
Brilliant, you low lifes in Denver keep forking over your minimal property taxes, pushing out 50% of your HS students without graduation, fostering a sanctuary city policies, and keeping the cost of doing business so high.
Have you ever wondered why you’re in the boat you’re in?
It’s something that Republicans typically overlook when it comes to discussing the pissing away of money.
As far as who bought Frontier, you’ll have to look to your beloved Free Market for an answer.
You see, what’s good for stockholders isn’t always good for Real People.
I’ve already come to grips with that. You’ll need to someday.
in with that EPA style command and control strategy and just seized the freaking assets like GM.