(May splinter the GOP? The splintering is already happening. – promoted by Colorado Pols)
From the Yahoo News Blog
New Poll shows “Tea Party” more popular than Republican Party
A new Rasmussen poll finds that the tea party movement’s popularity is growing, so much so that it garners more support than the Republican party on a generic Congressional ballot. The poll hints that the burgeoning discontent among conservatives within the GOP threatens to splinter the party at a time when the popularity of President Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress are waning as we head into an election year.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/…
Just when it looked like the GOP was getting its act together in what historically should be a promising election year (midterms are almost always beneficial to the party out of power), it looks like there’s trouble a brewin’ in that cup of tea.
We’ve already seen the evidence of this in the past few days in Colorado with McInnis getting into hot water (pun intended) for his usurpation of the Bagger mantle, only to be soundly spanked for not being a true believer.
The draconian tax cut proposals are going to further the schism and cause big problems for the GOP. There is already some blowback from some Repubs on these proposals, especially from those who are actually in office already dealing with our budget crisis, and who know things would go from bad to worse.
Stay tuned, this is going to be interesting.
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It’s the coronation of Scooter multiplied nationwide that’s fueling this movement. You have a conservative head of the RSCC like John Cornyn out recruiting Senate candidates like moderate Mark Kirk in Illinois, fetal stem cell research advocate Mike Castle in Delaware, stimulus package Charlie Crist in Florida, and “C” & “D” proponent Jane Norton in Colorado.
Topping this all off is Mitt Romney, a RINO masquerading as conservative, as the likely GOP presidential candidate.
“Thief! Thief, Baggers! We hates them, we hates them, we hates them forever!”
the R’s splinter problem starts to become more apparent I predict the D’s will splinter too.
Maybe not into more than one party- but bigger and stoopider divisions in the D party.
The really cool thing would be if the D’s just took a breath- unified (even with some DINOS- gasp!) and established D districts in some important places that are currently unreachable or swingish.
Is it needs to decide if it is going to return to a moderately conservative party that wants to make government work – or if they are going to be a far-right nihilist party.
This division is part of making the decision – they need to fight it out. I think this is actually a good sign because they will not return to sanity until they have this fight.
The latest Rasmussen poll shows the GOP is splintering into two parties. Some of the poll numbers are stunning. For the example, the generic ballot quesiton asking who would you vote for for congress, the results were:
Democrat 36%
Tea Party 23%
Republican 18%
Undecided 22%
Also, only 55% of those who consider themselves conservatives also consider themselves Republicans. The Glen Beck effect is taking hold. He always says he is a conservative and not a Republican. The Republican Party is being pulled decisively to the right and split apart. The “RINO’s” are leaving and moving toward the Democrats. The moralistic tone and tint of the right-wing makes it impossible for them to compromise with the moderate Republicans. Because they take the approach of “our way or the highway” the GOP will continue to splinter.
This will present real problems for Mr. McInnis. With John Andrews column in Sunday’s Post putting McInnis on notice that he (Andrews) and other right wingers expect McInnis to unfurl the Palin/Tea Bagger banner and soon, they are forcing him to take sides in the Republican civil war.
On top of that 73% of the Republicans sampled by Rasmussen believe the Republican leaders in Washington are out of touch with the Republican base. The congressional “Party of No” is faltering with its base, al least a substantial part of it. A poll two weeks ago found that 59% of Republicans were upset with the Republican leaders in Washington over their health care position, especially the fact they refused to help solve the health care issue. The Republicans want their leaders to pitch in and do something to help craft a health care bill. They weren’t saying they agree with the Democrats plan but they are aware there is a real health care cost crisis and they want their leaders to craft a reasonable plan. Just saying “No” to everything is no longer acceptable to the GOP base except of course the right-wing fanatics which is the group the Republcian congressional leaderhsip is appealing to.
Among unaffiliated voters, the generic congressional election question brought in even more stunning results for the GOP:
Tea Party 33%
Undecided 30%
Democrat 25%
Republican 12%
The generic Republican comes in a distant fourth to every other category. Assuming this holds for the next year, the Republican Party will loose another election. It also indicates the solid base support that any political party needs to be viable is evaporating beneath the GOP.
The bottom line is the fact these two groups simply don’t believe in or hold the same values any longer. The Democrats still have a wonderful opportunity to form a new governing coalition out of the demise of the GOP. It won’t happen in a day, a month or even within a year but the moderate Republicans should be heavily courted to join the Democrats.
Arlen Spector jumped ship. Here in Colorado Marostica could be next (he’s halfway there already).
Before anybody gets all giddy over the teabaggers polling better then the GOP, look at what happened in Aurora. The RNC wants Colorado back into the deep red zone; and they practiced with Aurora.
The 2009 election showed that the R’s will do anything to return us to those glory days of yesteryear (Reagan era). And they won.
Next year the RNC will do the same to turn Colorado back into the deep red zone. Unless Dems and Progressives start playing hardball we are going to lose a lot of legislative and federal seats.
It may be fun to laugh at them, but they are working hard and spending money to take our great state back to the deep red zone.
don’t scale statewide — those are specific tactics for traditionally very low-turnout elections.
But point taken, the GOP is hungry and it’s capable.
…that Aurora’s voter turnout is typically low, especially during off-years.
Look at the turnout. D’s did the same vote as before, low. R’s turned out at least 7K MORE voters than in 2007. That is huge in these elections. The turnout for at-large, the one I am interested in, went from 57K in 2007 to 64K in 2009.
Getting 7K more voters to turn in their ballots in any race will change the dynamics a lot. Granted there are 4 whole or more close to whole HD in Aurora, and 4 few precincts HD, spreading 7K over that dilutes the number. But, it is important to think of HD where 1 or 2K votes determine the winners.
The RNC was willing to spend, and they did spend several $100K to get their candidates on the city council. They targeted two wards, winning both and one incumbent at-large who won.
The only issue that was on the ballot was a library mill levy of $6/month to keep libraries in Aurora. Which lost by a large margin.
Before discounting large municipal races look at more than it was a odd year city race. Look at what and who was behind the big change. Seeing what came out of D.C. in support of two of the ward candidates has to be a wakeup call and a warning for most Dem candidates next year.
I keep hearing from a lot of Dems who are constantly refusing to look at anything other than General Assembly and higher races; ignoring and poo-pooing county, school board, and municipal seats. We Dems have to fight for every seat in every election just to match the R’s in their efforts to dominate this state. The R’s do want every seat in our state.
The RNC wants Colorado and they practiced on Aurora. The RNC will spend the money on Colorado because they see our state as theirs.
A lot of us do tend to look at just the higher races and ignore what’s going on at the local level, I’m certainly guilty of that myself. But all elections have consequences – the winners take office, the losers go home.
The party that forgets the following is the party that will be sitting at home:
One in Aurora and two incumbents in Thornton for example. The economy better get better or incumbents (state reps & state senate) in swing districts are in for real battles in 2010.
I agree with Pam. Dems better bring A game in 2010.
Pam- I’ve been saying that for months and no one believes me.
A reenergized R organization in Arapahoe, JeffCo and elsewhere can and will make a difference.
And the D organization? Well, don’t take this wrong way i insiders and purists, but what I see is a lot of misplaced blather about how “we” won in 06 and 08 and we’ll do it again next year.
I don’t know exactly what happened in 06- except that the Rs ran hard Rs and the Ds won with moderates.
I do know what happened in 08 and ’round here it had not much to do with the D organization.
Unless he does something bizarre, Wiens is going to run much stronger than most are predicting. The propositions are stoopid- but no less than “very viable” at the polls. And the Tea PArty is a perfet 3rd party with which to splint er the D party. That’s right- the D’s.
If/when the R splinter problem starts to look more and more real, the D’s will splinter among the various issues and strategies. Issue divisions are long and well documented- esp in Colorado. Strategy divisions go back to the founders- overreaching vs. pragmatism, pragmatism vs. purity, purity vs. electability.
Example
Udall carried Arapahoe County lsat year- barely. With long coat tails and an energized electorate. Not gonna be there next year.
the teabaggers take an “all or nothing” approach, which they will. They would rather punish the GOP for it’s ideological impurity than govern.
Besides it’s a lot less fun to govern than it is to hold tea parties.
as they pledge to rid the party of ‘Country Club’ Republicans.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_1…
The comment thread has some real Bagger gems:
And on and on…
“Dueling Banjos” when you read the Bagger comments? Or is it just me?