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November 11, 2009 03:11 AM UTC

Sounding the bottom with Dave Schultheis

  • by: Alan

(Bumped into Wednesday by popular demand – promoted by Colorado Pols)

Tweeted by the Senator a few hours ago–

This doesn’t mean what I’m reading it to mean, does it? Really, I’m looking for a second opinion, for some reason I still have trouble with the idea that anyone could be this vile.

Then again, this is the same guy who said it was his “hope” that “that person may have AIDS,” so maybe that’s just my naivete.

WEDNESDAY POLS UPDATE: Regrettably, Talking Points Memo gives our well-worn local embarrassment some national play:

Colorado State Sen. Dave Schultheis (R-Colorado Springs) posted a tweet yesterday that called for a derailing of President Obama’s agenda in a rather bold way.

“Don’t for a second, think Obama wants what is best for U.S. He is flying the U.S. Plane right into the ground at full speed. Let’s Roll,” the tweet reads.

“Let’s roll” were the final words of Todd Beamer, a passenger aboard United Airlines Flight 93, one of the four flights hijacked on September 11 and the only one to crash before reaching its intended target. The flight was diverted to Washington, D.C. after it was hijacked, but crashed in a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania after passengers tried to thwart the hijackers.

This isn’t the first time Sen. Schultheis has had his brash way with words…

POLS UPDATE #2: The Denver Post reports:

State Sen. David Schultheis said he didn’t intend a recent Twitter post – which accuses the President Barack Obama of “flying the U.S. plane right into the ground at full speed” and ends with “Let’s roll” – as a reference to Flight 93.

“Let’s roll,” were reportedly the final words of passenger Todd Beamer before his hijacked plane crashed into a Pennsylvania field during the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. Passengers aboard the flight tried to regain control of the plane and crashed before reaching the hijacker’s intended target…

“‘Let’s roll.’ It’s a comment people use all the time any more. ‘Let’s get going. Let’s move on. Let’s make major changes,'” Schultheis said. “I can see it now. But, you’re busy doing jillions of things during the day. You sometimes don’t analyze every single word.”

…State Senate President Brandon Shaffer, D-Longmont, today demanded Schultheis retract his statement calling it “appalling.”

Schultheis wrote, “Don’t for a second think Obama wants what is best for U.S. He is flying the U.S. plane right into the ground at full speed. Let’s roll.”

Ed Kowalski, a director for the New York-based 9/11 Families for a Secure America, said Schultheis was “clearly” referring to Flight 93. And while Kowalski himself disagrees with many of Obama’s policies – his group takes a strong stance against illegal immigration, for example – that’s no reason to evoke Sept. 11 imagery.

“Let’s not cheapen what happened on Sept. 11 by making random and or ill-fated comparisons to current policy,” Kowalski said.


141 thoughts on “Sounding the bottom with Dave Schultheis

  1. but my immediate thought was that this lame fucker just compared my President to a bunch of terrorists that intentionally slaughtered thousands of my fellow Americans on 9/11. Or is it just me?

    1. Not a building.. It’s more of a metaphor. I just have a problem with him saying that Obama doesn’t want what is best for America.. I am 100% certain that he is doing what he believes is best even if I don’t agree with most of his policies.

        1. A couple of other people mentioned in this thread that they hadn’t noticed that during the first reading, either. That’s the part that really disturbed me. You just don’t hear anyone use that phrase except in reference to 9/11 these days.  

          1.    Isn’t that the same district that sent Charlie “I Hear the Voice of the Beast” Duke to the state Senate in the ’90s?

              Whatever happened to him?  Did he end up getting appropriate mental health treatment?

              1.    “He claimed that he could hear the voice of Satan cackling in the ceiling of the state Capitol.”  That was my favorite Charlie Duke story.

                  It turned out it was just Mike Feeley throwing his voice and messing with Charlie’s head.


  2. I suppose that it is protected free speech. He sounds like a conspiracy nut job to me. He probably believes a bunch of other horrible things about many ethnic groups. I don’t won’t to promote hate so I won’t mention the conspiracies that run amok.

  3. Schultheis is metaphorically comparing the President of the United States to the 9/11 terrorists; and likewise finding a poignant analogy between himself and his ilk to the brave Americans of Flight 93 who died in PA?

    Disgraceful. There just is no shame with these guys. There is simply no bottom to the barrel.

  4. for the dumbest thing said by any legislator, elected offical, whatever.

    Let’s send him a cake- and let him eat it cause this takes it.  It’s not as mean spirited and just plain wrong as the AIDS thing- but should we call the Secret Service?

    I mean how do you report these kinds of things ?

    If someone really heard the kinds of things said it has been reported that the Major said they should have reported them.

    1. The Secret Service is interested in legitimate information relating to threats, plans or attempts by individuals, groups or organizations to harm Secret Service protectees. However, the agency does not desire or solicit information pertaining to individuals or groups expressing legitimate criticism of, or political opposition to, the policies and decisions of the government or government officials.


  5. I consider myself to be pretty tolerant. I easily dismiss off color, rude, distasteful comments (“slavery gets things done”) as poor attempts at humor.  I probably do this too easily.  But this is beyond the pale. As has already been pointed out, this nauseating at several levels.  It is one thing for a private citizen with conspiracy delusions to be carrying signs comparing the president (Obama and/or Bush) to Hitler, but to have an elected representative saying these disrespectful things is outrageous.  How can I, a democrat outside of his district, respond in a constructive way?  Suggestions?

  6. But the first part of the post seems right on to the extent it can be without the stupid plane metaphor.

    As right as you might be, these happy hour tweets can be misconstrusled …

    1. I guess Happy ‘Hour’ is an understatement…

      I love the neologism however, I can imagine the Gazette article now:

      Sen Schultheis claims he was misconstrusled in comparing the Commander in Chief and leader of our Armed Forces, including thousands in his own district, to 9-11 Terrorists.

      “I was tossing back more than a few strong ones with our future Governor Senate Minority Leader and Mr. Wadhams, and twittering my thumbs, when the next thing I knew I was again the object of ridicule, all for an unfortunate choice of words that suggested the U.S. President is comparable to some of the most despicable persons imaginable–widely reviled and considered enemy combatants–simply because I disagree with his politics,”  the  ‘senator’ mumbled.

      “But I’m use to it.  If I don’t have my foot in my mouth then I hardly know which way is right,” he said, pointing left.

  7. It’s a ridiculous and offensive thing to say. Any mention of any sort of plane crash is generally pretty offensive.

    That said, I really think that bringing up 9-11 in the context of this remark is purely political. When I first saw Sen. Schultheis’ comment, I didn’t immediately think about September 11th.

      1. I just find it hard to believe that anybody could be that dense. On top of that, I find it impossible to believe that an elected official, someone in the public eye, could be stupid enough to post something like that for public consumption.

        I wasn’t trying to defend his comments. I just didn’t catch the “Let’s Roll” reference.

  8. The 6′ 4″ 225-lb steamroller who rounded up a few other guys on Flight 93, kicked the terrorist’s asses and saved the U.S. Capitol was a proud and out homosexual.

    Schultheis: Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, you filthy moron.

    1. The dems, etc., have basically ignored the rantings on the right.  I believe that is a dangerous policy.  The right gets more and more aggressive…pushing the envelope.  I interpret Schultheis’s remark as a threat against the President of the U.S.  I believe that there must be an official response, but from whom?

  9. Many of us here said equally bad things about Bush when he was president – that all he cared about was his buddies on K street and in the oil industry, that he was destroying America, etc.

    As to the relation with 9/11 in his use of words – I did not see that. Maybe that was the intent, but maybe not. (And we’ll never know.)

    Schultheis is a douchebag, but this is just generally douchebaggery.

    1. Crashing a plane into the ground? “Let’s roll”? I could see not noticing it due to forgetfulness, but after it’s pointed out to you, how do you pretend it’s an accident?

      It’s like pretending Schwarzenegger’s “Fuck you” was an accident.

    2. Read it again:  “…flying the US Plane into the ground at full speed.  Let’s roll.”

      What other plane has been flown into the ground at full speed where there was a rallying cry (even a book bearing the same title) of “Let’s Roll”?

      Yes, Schultheis is a douchebag (actually, that is being unfair to douchebags which one could argue serve a noble purpose–whereas Schultheis just consumes food that could be going to starving people somewhere).

    3. Except for the 9/11 conspiracy crowd (who, frankly, need as much help as Sen. Schultheis), our comments never rose to the level of this statement.

      It’s one thing to say that the President is corrupt, in bed with his oil buddies (or others), and that his actions are destroying the country as a result.

      It’s another to say that the President is deliberately and maliciously trying to destroy the country.  That’s what the Senator is saying.  Adding in “Let’s Roll” just cements the statement; to Schultheis, President Obama is a terrorist no less than those responsible for 9/11.

    4. the combination of the plane and phrase is a bit much.

      Wanted to say that after the whole Tancredo thing, I appreciate what it took for you to write that.  Take a shower, drink some water, take a walk in the sun later… it’ll all be better soon.

    5. For the most part, posters on CPols are not elected Senators or other elected officials, with substantial responsibilities to the citizens of Colorado.  Schultheis is not some average citizen posting his/her political views anonymously on a website.  Members of the state legislature take an oath of office swearing to support the constitutions of the United States and the State of Colorado.  At the very least, “let’s roll” suggests to me a revolutionary overthrow of our national government.  Sorry, but that’s not supporting the US Constitution as Schultheis’s oath of office requires.

    6. Speak for yourself with this horseshit, David.

      One is not “balanced” simply because they try to constantly couch everything in some moral equivalence.

  10. This isn’t difficult.

    He says that President Obama is working against America by “flying the US plane into the ground”.  So he says “Let’s Roll” which is the phrase used by the passengers on the hijacked plane on 9/11 as they moved to take out the hijackers who were piloting that plane. That sounds like a threat to President Obama to me.

        1. but he is not saying that Obama is wrong or that his policies are mistaken.  He tells us that we should not think for a moment that Obama has the country’s best interests in mind.   What is that supposed to mean other than that Obama has had some dark, nefarious purpose in mind all along, that he sought the presidency only to do the nation harm?  There is simply no other way to read it.

          There may not be an explicit threat here but, in calling Obama not just wrong but a traitor there is strong encouragement here for those who would think something drastic must be done to stop this bad person who has evil motives. Schultheis presents himself , through this tweet, as a despicable piece of something I’d want to scrape off my shoe with a very long stick, then burn the shoe.  

          1. not defending the human piece of trash–but I think a line can be drawn between hyperbolic political speak and physical threats.

            Many democrats made allegations that Bush and Cheney were more interested in advancing oil company interests and their own personal interests as opposed to advancing the national interest.  Does that mean we wanted him/them “taken out”?  No.  We wanted him/them defeated within the framework of our democracy.  

            1. accused of Bush of wishing the nation harm on purpose.  Never thought he was smart or in charge enough to formulate any such thing. Your point is taken but I still think the Schultheis tweet is reprehensible.

              1. It is reprehensible, I in no way agree with it.  I think anytime you use a national tragedy such as 9/11 for purely political purposes, it is a reprehensible act.

                But to reiterate, I think there is a distiction between hyperbolic political speech and a physical threat.

        2. was saying things like the US should get out of Afghanistan and Iraq… and the Muslim world should rise up and etc you’re going to defend the Army’s inaction? I mean, they were asinine comments but only political not physical threats, right?

          I agree the line is hard to draw.

          That’s why elected officials and military officers are held to a higher standard – you have to avoid saying things that even risk the appearance of impropriety.

          1. Schultheis has not praised anyone who has made an attempt on the life of President Obama (unless you know something I don’t); he has not had contact or attempted to make contact with a terrorist leader (again, unless you know something I don’t).

    1. There’s no evidence he has the means or intent to carry anything out.

      Completely inappropriate, completely over the top, and no different from what Glenn Beck says day in and day out.

      The difference is Glenn Beck is not an elected official and Schultheis should be held to a higher professional standard. But as we have seen repeatedly in the past, Josh Penry is completely unwilling to chastise members of his caucus for going beyond the pale.

    2. If Schulthies is trying to motivate someone or other, he should not have created the analogy that the the USA was an airplane.

      In the real situation, where American patriots rallied around “Let’s roll!” the plane ended up going into the ground. True, the plane didn’t fly into the Whitehouse, but Schulthies didn’t compare the USA to the Whitehouse, he compared it to the plane.

      The guy is just demented however you try to parse his tweets.

      1. I guess the answer to the question: “Does this maroon have any shame at all?” is… maybe a tiny bit? Naaah..

        More likely than his feeling any shame, is that his leadership was finally moved to a teensy bit of discomfort and told him to fix it.

        As to concern over how his constituents in crazy town were taking it, he probably knows he could bite the heads off living kittens on the State Capitol steps and still get re-elected. His constituents are probably a little ticked right now that he gave an inch.

      1. The caption reads:

        A visit to Dragonman shooting range. A must visit for those who cherish their 2nd Amendment rights. Check out the machine guns.

        Obviously a gun like that is not meant for mowing down a herd of herd animals– it’s meant for killing people. But what people? The police? The illegal immigrants? The tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free? The wretched refuse of the teeming shore?  

  11. His twitter went out to the Judith and Blanche Beauregard and the rent-a-cop at Kinkos on 14th.  Anybody who thinks he is mobilizing a zombie army of Catholic Republicans to lay siege to the White House hasn’t been following his political trajectory.

    This is like getting all stressed when the street corner preacher/mental patient tells you you’re going to Hell because he said so.  Relax folks this creepy character is on a tiny stage and will be making an exit soon.

    It would be interesting to know if he ever served or is of the same chicken hawk mold as Tancredo.  For him, let’s roll means to the rear where he’ll be safe from real danger.

    Nothing to see here folks except a Republican 2.0 doing the full mental.  Move along now.

    1. This is something I’ve always struggled with in regards to political rhetoric.  What is the line between letting the crazy nutjob speak to himself and those that share his tin foil hat view points and at which point do we need to correct, or attempt to correct, whacked out ideas that are both wrong and virulent?  While I agree with Gilpen Guy that this is nothing new from the peanut gallery of the GOP, but at the same time he is an elected official that should be held to a standard.  Don’t ask me what it is, I think the bar is pretty low for the Colorado GOP at this point.  

    2. of the same chicken hawk mold as Tancredo

      I think we’ve been over this.  Putting it in there with the “mental” comment is especially nice.

      You may think it’s fine to send people who’ve been treated for depression into a war, with a gun, but I don’t.

      Stay classy, Gilpin Guy.

      1. To rephrase the question

        Did Schultheis tweet before or after Obama spoke at Fort Hood?  If he tweeted after, did he bother to listen to the presidents eulogy of the fallen troops?  If you seriously want to discuss what it means to “roll” then you have to consider the call to arms in his eulogy.  Schultheis speaks in terms of rolling politically while Obama speaks of winning the peace.  There couldn’t be a bigger gap in performance between the chicken hawk Schultheis and Obama.  One’s the commander in chief and the other is a dolt.

        His speech at Fort Hood reminded me of another former Illinois senator who spoke at a memorial during a time of war.  That senators speech was about three minutes.

        1. That’s you trying to make up for being an ass by trying to make me look like one.

          It’s not helping.  I’m not a Schultheis or Tancredo supporter and I’m certainly not in charge of defending their dumbass statements.  You are in charge of defending yours though.  Got it?

          In case you don’t, re-read your last comment.  Why are you bringing up Ft. Hood?  You obviously think it’s fine.  Mental state, schmental state.  Everybody’s fucking fine.  Off to war, here’s a gun!


          1. I was trying to point out that Schultheis’ is desecrating the term “Let’s roll” by using it for political war on Obama.  Meanwhile Obama is at Fort Hood as the commander in chief and spoke eloquently to those grieving about their sacrifice.  One person tweets treasonous political garbage and the other person ignores the insults and rallies his troops.  If you haven’t listened to Obama’s speech then you should  I wonder if Fox News which aired 90 minutes of Libyian president Kadhafi ranting at the UN had the guts to air Obama’s 15 minute eulogy to the troops.

            If all you got was my insensitivity to mental illness then you missed both the Obama speech and my attempt to contrast it with the political coward Schultheis.

            Sorry I grouped Schultheis with Tancredo.  One got a legitimate medical deferment from the military during a time of war and the other is a political Wormtongue.

            1. Why can’t you or Schultheis just say that it was out of line and apologize?  Why does there always have to be a backpedal?

              Sandwich in between your crap, there are good comments, not even close to what your original post was about.  Say you’re sorry and leave it at that.

                1. It is a standard troll trick to take some minor comment and go all faux outrage over it so they don’t have to actually respond to the point being made.  Mr. Mental studiously avoided debating how inappropriate it is for Republicans to use 9/11 imagery to further their divisive hatred particularity on Veterans Day.  Cirque d’Soleil should consider signing him for his mental contortions but he deliberately avoided responding to my actual point.  Obama is a real leader seeking new solutions to intractable problems.  Schultheis is a political coward who defiles our precious history with his “Let’s Roll” demagoguery and hatred.  The chasm between the two will never be bridged by Schultheis.  Is that clear enough?

                  1. You weren’t making a point.  Congratulations, you’re as bad as the teabaggers with signs that say “Ken-ya trust him.”

                    Is that really the only insult you have for Tancredo?  Of all the legitimate things to call him, this is the one you choose.

                    1. Even when you are called about avoiding discussing the real issue, you have to cling to your petty side distraction.

                      It is clear that you can’t defend Schultheis and his attempts to once again debase 9/11 imagery for Republican political gain so you wander off in the woods seeking some sort of outrage about poor Tom Tancredo.  And you call me dumb.  lol dude.

                    2. I totally agree that Tom Tancredo was unfit to serve his country.  I just wish his unhealthy mental condition would have made him unfit for Congress where he enthusiastically voted for a war of choice which sent hundreds of thousands of other peoples sons and daughters into harms way and cost a hundred thousand of lives.

                    3. Why can’t you or Schultheis just say that it was out of line and apologize?  Why does there always have to be a backpedal?

                      See how that was directed to both you and Schultheis?  That’s right.  Me, asking why Schultheis couldn’t just apologize.

                    4. who now claims in a Denver Post article this morning that he didn’t know that references to non-white pilots crashing planes into the ground and the term “Let’s roll” as a rallying cry were for a defense against non-whites was linked to the loses of 9/11.  If he really really unwittingly didn’t know that evoking images of non-white pilots as evil and a call to spontaneous action as associated with 9/11 then he will be the first Republican politician in the entire country to have made such a mistake.  Talk about be out of touch with the American culture.  How can this guy have any credibility about knowing what the American people want from a good government if he doesn’t know that evil pilots and heroic Republicans has been done before?

                      If he intentionally used the 9/11 imagery to portray Obama as the evil terrorist who needs to be destroyed and now recants claiming he didn’t know then that’s pretty shady morality.

                      If you compare this twits twitter with the eulogy that President Obama gave at Fort Hood, it becomes obvious that the country made a better decision then Colorado Springs.  Schultheis is the poster boy of cynical Bush-league Republican politicians who will do or say anything to regain power so they can continue their culture wars.

                      He might be a bit too conservative for me but I am so thankful that Barack Obama is our Commander-in-Chief and I honestly understand how some people would consider Schultheis to be the Judas and the traitor to the victims and families of 9/11.  This is the epitome of demagoguery.  

                    5. I see where you called Tancredo sane of all things.  Then I see you trying to make a point, with yourself.


      2. Tancredo IS a chicken hawk. To the point where MIKE COFFMAN refused even to share a stage with the man.

        Tancredo was constantly going around dressed in camo, with his ridiculous “U.S.S. Ronald Reagan” cap, with his desert-tan army boots, vigilantly patrolling the U.S.-Mexico border, posing with shotguns… He was almost as bad as this guy:

  12. Schultheis is so stupid that he doesn’t even realize the 9-11 connection between airplanes and “let’s roll”.  He was just trying to be cute with a quick tweet.

    1. I see it as intentional.

      Matters related to the Honorable Senator’s intelligence are separate, but I am willing to entertain your argument though I do not think they are the cause of this outburst.  

  13. “‘Let’s roll.’ It’s a comment people use all the time any more. ‘Let’s get going. Let’s move on. Let’s make major changes,'” Schultheis said. “I can see it now. But, you’re busy doing jillions of things during the day. You sometimes don’t analyze every single word.”

    Brandon Shaffer demands a retraction from Schultheis, while Terrance Carroll is “willing to give Schultheis the benefit of the doubt on ‘Let’s roll,’ but said the senator should show more civility when discussing the president.”

    An official with 9/11 Families for a Secure America says it’s obvious Schultheis was referring to Flight 93 and understates that the tweet is “clearly a poor comparison” between a terrorist hijacking and presidential policies.

    Oddly, though, “Senate Minority Leader Josh Penry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.”

        1. Here’s the updated version, posted without noting it’s corrected:

          His message garnered angry responses from posters on the liberal blog, which first noted the tweet. It also appeared on the national Talking Points Memo blog


          As of the 6:26 p.m. update, Penry still hasn’t commented.

  14. And here I thought Colorado Springs legislators couldn’t get worse than Doug Bruce.

    I wonder how long it will take for political blogs in other states to pick up this story with this tagline: “At Least He’s Not Your State Legislator” … much like what ColoradoPols has done for embarrassing legislators in other states. With this one, we would deserve it.

  15. When a moralistic lawmaker reads the Bible and sees that he shall not bear false witness, if bearing false witness helps get him out of an embarrassing situation is God OK with it?

  16. The Post article has several comments supporting Schultheis and his comment. Is this some kind of wing-nut litmus test?  Could anyone, other than the fully indoctrinated, believe the SOB that his reference to an airplane, crashing at full speed into the ground, and the phrase “let’s roll” is not a reference to Flight 93?  

    1. And I didn’t get the connection right away.

      I’m sure Schultheis knew the reference he was making. But I didn’t catch it, so I suppose it’s feasible it’s just a mistake. One hell of a mistake, if so.  

    2. I let my anger get the best of me and I laid into a RWnutjob the other day and got tossed off the post for 30 days.

      now they are having a free for all/contest over at the post as to how much you can defend this guy, defame the President and insult Michelle Obama.    It is crazy. just crazy.

      Incredible we ever trusted that mindset anywhere close to power.

      you have had to be in a coma not to know the reference to Flt 93 by linking the two.

      or even to feel that way.

      Its like Jesus, cant you see what your hate has already done to this country? President Obama is keeping us from creating an economic crater.

    3. DavidThi808 begs to differ:

      Maybe that was the intent, but maybe not. (And we’ll never know.)

      Because heavily laden phrases about terrorist attacks don’t mean what they mean. We’ll just never know.

        1. I didn’t get the connection until I saw it spelled out. I figure it was probably intentional based on his excuse, but I don’t see it as a certainty.

          I think part of the problem is that Schultheis is such a douche that it’s very believable that he would write something like this intentionally.

        1. promoted, distributed and recorded.

          Or maybe it was.  ANd it would be reprehensible.

          It’s not that Schulteis saying this makes R’s reprehensible – it’s that it makes Schulteis reprehensible.

          I don’t buy his non-apology apology. He knew what he was saying, he knew the power of that reference.  

  17. When you look at his legislative history for the past three years…I really have to wonder about the legislative priorities of his district – license plates? Human smuggling? Those are the most significant pieces of legislation that he has gotten Ritter’s signature on in the last three sessions. Two on license plates and one on human smuggling, and a handful of minor and/or cleanup measures that are thrown to the minority party to sponsor. Is human smuggling a big issue in north Colorado Springs? If so, I hadn’t heard about it. In the big picture, Schultheis has not been an effective legislator – just a blowhard.

  18. We’ve just seen a campaign in which the VP candidate acused Obama of “palling around with terrorists”, opponents call him Osama, or by his middle name Hussein, and similarly question his American-ness by sowing doubt as to whether he really was born in the US, so as to make him seem to have some kinship with Muslim terrorists.

    The worst terrorist attack in history involved “flying planes into” a number of places, including “the ground” in Pennsylvania, due to the passengers who used the phrase “Let’s Roll!”

    Knowing all this, we’re supposed to believe Dave “Babies should get AIDS” Schultheis when he says he just didn’t consider the meaning of his words as carefully as he might have?

    Blogger Please!!!

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