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December 20, 2017 06:28 AM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“Betrayal is the only truth that sticks.”

–Arthur Miller


21 thoughts on “Wednesday Open Thread

  1. Congrats to the GOP for giving a middle class tax cut of between $1,000 – $2,000.   That's a real benefit to families who can use the money.  Dems didn't do that, or even offer a similar break.

    Michael Bennet was on "Hardball" last night.  He said he looks forward to defending his no vote to red counties in CO.  He said the money could have been better spent on health care and infrastructure.  He seemed to imply that he would not have voted for the middle class tax cut.  Well I think middle class voters anywhere in CO will clobber him if he tries to make that case.  

    The middle class want and deserve a tax break.  They aren't going to get it from the Dems.  Good luck with that.

      1. itlduso needs to also talk about the millions in tax cuts for the 1%. The 1% gets the goodies while the middle class barely gets trickle-down. 

        1. I expect most of us have read Marx in college. Karl, not Groucho though he may well have agreed with Karl. Karl said that the US didn't warrant communism. Remember why? It was because we didn't have quite the class stratification found in much of the world (paraphrase, of course). I'm not beating drums for communism by any means, but I also won't grieve if some are thrown out of windows. I'd love to see heads on pikes

          Pretty clearly the GOP cares much, much more for some gelt than the continuation of this great experiment in freedom  

          1. Looking at this chart in today's Denver Post, now that I'm retired, I may get a pittance for a couple of years, and then bang! My taxes go up and as you say, Medicare will start digging a hole in my budget, and who knows what the GOP will do to Social Security…

        2. The middle.class gets crumbs while the rich get the whole loaf.  My point is that Dems should embrace a middle class tax cut paid for by raising the capital gains rate, for example.

    1. one graph I saw indicated that only considering the bill and my income I might get $1000 in '18. Then it begins to drop until in 5 years I am losing $ every year.

      On top of that, since I am on Medicare I can expect that costs will rise due to the $400B cut in Medicare in this bill. So, I may not receive a dime. If I stop working so a younger person could have this pretty good job then I'll pay more in taxes and suffer the Medicare penalty immediately. So, I'll hang onto the job until I lose competency, let them fire me and draw unemployment for however long is allowed and live on less every year until death.

      Or, in spite of what Zapp says, I'll support Bennet and others like him and try to get D majorities to repeal this bill and put in a tax cut for the lower 60% and increase taxes on the top 1 or 2 % to fund our govt and reduce deficit

      1. You guys read me all wrong: I’ll support SFL Bennet’s vote, give him some talking points that would shame his Big Time DC Consultants and Staffers, and remind him that he can truly be a great senator rather than a future statue of blandness if he emphasizes true Democratic and Liberal policies that (most of) Us Coloradans support. 

    2. Congratulations, indeed.  Looks like I may get $100 per month or so. But

      1. Denver Post points out "those who currently claim deductions and exemptions that are being eliminated could end up paying more in state taxes."

      2. It is totally unclear how much my share of the $1 trillion (or $1.5 or $2.2 trillion) increase in debt will be. Nor is it certain what happens with a 4% cut in Medicare and Medicaid spending if a PAYGO exception isn't passed.

      3. No clarity about what happens in 2025 when the tax break expires. Republicans are saying it won't happen — but what they don't say is that if the tax cut at that point DOESN'T sunset, the deficits and debt will skyrocket even more. The Tax Foundation says "the cost of the bill would be $2.7 trillion on a static basis ($1.4 trillion on a dynamic basis) over the next decade."

  2. (Where the fuck did all you Repub saboteurs come from, well, if not Russia?)

    This is not a middle class tax cut it’s a hit job in the class war and Republicans are driving the getaway car. And FUCK YOU ALL VERY THOROUGHLY who think investing in America, its People, or your friends and neighbors* is too much to ask. 

    * – if you have any among us peons. 

  3. After these comments, we could all use a good (if wry) laugh. From the Boston Globe: 

    No sooner had 2016 ended than in staggered 2017, muttering, “hold my beer.” 


  4. Little Lord TwoScoops Froot-loops at his munificent best least . . . 

    Trump Threatens to End American Aid: ‘We’re Watching Those Votes’ at the U.N.

    “All these nations that take our money and then vote against us at the Security Council or the assembly, they take hundreds of millions of dollars and billions of dollars and they vote against us,” Mr. Trump said. “Well, we’re watching those votes. Let them vote against us, we’ll save a lot. We don’t care.”

    . . . magamagamaga.

  5. From the site that's like this one, except with more "itic."  Sounds like Ol' Joe got into his reach school.

    Democrat Joe Salazar endorsed by Bernie Sanders-aligned Our Revolution group for attorney general

    “Our Revolution is a national organization that endorses only truly progressive candidates,” Salazar said. “Receiving their endorsement was a grueling process. I first had to receive endorsements from state-level Our Revolution chapters. And then my progressive credentials were checked at the national level.

    “Bottom line, what this endorsement shows is that there is no other attorney general candidate who has fought in the trenches for Coloradans like I have. We have an opportunity to show the rest of the country what a progressive attorney general can do.”

  6. Republican Clown Show scrambling to figure out this thing called "governing":

    The GOP’s strategy has been shifting by the hour.

    The trickiest vote on Thursday, by far, will be the House’s stopgap spending bill, which must be sent to the Senate and signed by the president by Friday at midnight.

    House Republicans say they haven’t been briefed on a specific plan, but the rumor is that nearly every contentious political point will be punted until January.

    Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.) joked that GOP leaders are now on “Plan C” of their plan to keep the government open — a strategy that he said every Republican in the chamber should get around to preserve their tax win.

    “It would be an act of political malpractice, after a successful tax reform vote, to shut the government down. Talk about stepping on your own message. I mean really, how dumb would that be? But anything’s possible around here. This is [the GOP-controlled] Congress,” Dent said.

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