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I Could Be a Senat...Argghhhhhhh!!!

by: Colorado Pols

Fri Dec 19, 2008 at 11:13:07 AM MST


There really are few things in politics as thoroughly enjoyable as watching people jockey for the Senate nomination. Case in point: We're about one week from seeing Rep. Diana DeGette's head explode.

Check out this article and video on Politics West.

 

Colorado Pols :: I Could Be a Senat...Argghhhhhhh!!!
U.S. Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Denver, who is seeking the two-year appointment to the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by U.S. Senator Ken Salazar, said Thursday it was "ridiculous" that a woman hadn't yet served in that role or as governor of Colorado and doubted that "the press, or the chattering class, seriously consider any of the women candidates."...

..."Colorado has never had a woman (U.S.) senator or a woman governor," said DeGette during an editorial board meeting at The Denver Post. "And so, in a way, this is the perfect time for us to have a woman because we actually have the ability to appoint somebody, have them serving as an incumbent, and I think that'll increase the chances in 2010.

"I think it's kind of ridiculous that after all these years we've never had a woman in either of those positions. Fifty-two percent of the electorate are women. And the other thing I will say is I don't think that the press, or the chattering class, seriously consider any of the women candidates. And, I'll put my record up against anybody's record on accomplishments."...

..."The pundits say, well Diana is from Denver and she's too liberal to run statewide. John Hickenlooper, who's the mayor of Denver, is the frontrunner. It's like...hmmmm. And I love John. But frankly I would bet you - he doesn't have a Congressional voting record - but if you look at some of the things he's done, he's probably at least as liberal as me."

I'm a woman! We need a woman! Other people are more liberal than me! Arghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's dissect a few of these points, shall we?

First off, the elephant in the room: The fundamental reason DeGette is not going to be appointed to the Senate is not because she's "too liberal to win statewide," or because she's a woman, or because she's from Denver, or because her last name is hard to spell. The reason DeGette won't be appointed is because she has no chits to call in. DeGette is infamous for her indifference to helping other Democrats in Colorado. She doesn't raise money for others, despite never having to worry about her own re-election, and trying to get her to donate money from her own account to another organization is damn near impossible.

In short, DeGette doesn't do shit for anybody else, and that's why nobody is going to do shit for her. It's all very simple.

Second, to the "she's to liberal to win statewide" point. Whether or not her record is more liberal than others is really irrelevant, because she is "perceived" to be more liberal than others - and that's an image she has always cultivated. In politics, perception is reality, as we all know.

And finally, let's dispense with the idea that there might be some sort of sexism involved with the Senate choices. This is a very simple formula: Hickenlooper, Ed Perlmutter and Andrew Romanoff are all more well-known and more popular statewide than any other contenders because they have cultivated moderate, bipartisan images and have long careers to draw upon.

For example, we absolutely think that Cary Kennedy has a long career ahead of her, but she's only been in elected office for two years. She doesn't have the name ID to win a race the magnitude of the U.S. Senate in 2010. Kennedy is widely considered a strong contender for governor in 2014, because by then everyone assumes she will have built up a strong public image. But it's just not there yet, and that has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman.

And here's another example: Joan Fitz-Gerald. Joan had given a pretty Sherman-esque statement a month ago that she was done with politics. She wasn't on the bench because she went back to the locker room. Hickenlooper, Romanoff and Perlmutter (and even Tom Strickland) have all been working hard to try to get the appointment, which is why they are all being widely discussed.

The one person (woman) who is not getting more consideration but should is Alice Madden, but there's not much indication that Madden has actively campaigned for the post.

So there you have it. We could go on, but that's a lot of words already.

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DO you think DeGette...
Really wants it, or just knows that she won't get it so is grousing about it to raise her stature?

I mean, she'd actually have to run for Senator.

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


Good point
DeGette has always insisted that her name be floated for higher office, even though she was never serious. But we hear that DeGette really wants this appointment.

[ Parent ]
I am very surprised by that
She is in leadership and has some rank, not to mention committee assignments she likes in the House. I am suprised she would want to leave to be the most junior Senator of all (maybe #97, 98 or 99 depending on fast Franken or Caroline Kennedy gets there, and debacle over the Obama replacement)

Democrats Unite! After all, it's only the future at stake.

[ Parent ]
But remember
She was rising in the ranks, but picked the wrong guy (Dingell) and will likely suffer for that.

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[ Parent ]
She makes the argument
that her leadership posts mean she's got the clout and has paid her dues, not that they should keep her in the House forever. There is a bit of a double standard here, but Pols pegs all the OTHER reasons she's not going to get the appointment.

[ Parent ]
Well,
As a Republican, I really want it for her....

Mwah ah ah ah.

Plus, the 1st CD might get a chance to get a Romanoff of even a Cary Kennedy in there that would work a little harder.  I mean, I'd love the seat for an R, but it ain't happening.

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
DeGette raises awareness
that the last thing Colorado needs is a good old boy white male who doesn't get it.
While she would be foolish to give up her position and rank in the Congress, Colorado has qualified women who could do the job.

You can tell from the remarks on Pols that the males want to continue the boys club and dismiss the notion that a woman could serve quite well.

It took Colorado decades to turn into a blue state (with the help of women in leadership and women voters.)I guess we can wait a few more decades until Colorado closes the gender gap.


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dismiss the notion that a woman could serve
That's absurd.

And DeGette has had the opportunity to throw her hat in the ring for TWO open Senate elections and an open gubernatorial race since establishing her clout in the House. She passed up the chances, the chattering class didn't keep her from it.


[ Parent ]
Give us a break
DeGette isn't trying to just "raise awareness." She's trying to get appointed to the Senate by grasping at whatever rationale she can find.

[ Parent ]
And nobody is saying "a woman couldn't serve well"
Nobody.  

[ Parent ]
I think it's called a PUMA hangover.
Let's not forget she was a Clinton supporter and when all else fails and you don't get that promotion, there's always misgyny to fall back on.  

"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
she ignores the fact....
that in the past 24 years, the Dems have nominated 3 women for the U.S. Senate:  Nancy Dick in '84, Josie Heath in '90 and Dottie Lamm in '98.
  They at least had the cojones (or should I say ovaries?) to put their names on the ballot and run.

[ Parent ]
Not to mention
Gail Schoettler's extremely near miss for governor against that other white male in 1998.

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I mean, she'd actually have to run for Senator
And there is an excellent chance that she would not win!

[ Parent ]
Okay, that's it...
You're off Rep. Degette's Christmas list, Guvs!

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

Unless they win Best of Denver in Westword


"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)

[ Parent ]
Politics West
has fixed the video link ...

How long before someone posts...
"Stem Cell"?

3....2.....1.....

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


Typical retort
From a chattering class thug...

"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)

[ Parent ]
???
That's a new one.

What does it mean?

Am I a 'chattering class' thug?

Or a chattering 'class thug'?

(_._)

"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

P.J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
It's from DeGette
I assume the "chattering class" means bloggers. Or possibly cold people. I'm both today.

"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)

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Diana DeGette video


http://politicswest.com/33724/...
(Originally put this in the wrong thread.)

"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!" - Nietzsche  


God she looks old in that still frame
She and Joe Lieberman should start the Jowels caucus.

[ Parent ]
Adam
she's actually older than Lieberman -- I'd say she wears it quite well.

[ Parent ]
Huh?
DeGette is only 51.  Joe wayyyy older than that.

[ Parent ]
Droopy Dog
is about to turn 69 is February.

"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)

[ Parent ]
You guys
have great senses of humor. Kudos.

[ Parent ]
Don't blame us RG
if your funny bone is drier than Lieberman's prostate.

"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)

[ Parent ]
Ha!
Now that is funny...

You should know better, RedGreen.  The internets are not a place to make fun the Princess or Sen Droopy Dog.  :)


[ Parent ]
This is bullshit
If she has a problem with the fact a woman has never been a senator or governor then she should run for senate or for governor.

Remember all those times when Obama whined that he couldn't be president because he's black ?  Me neither.

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010


Her point is valid Fidel
The fact that she was trying to say that since there's never been one, she should be it, is what's ridiculous.

It is about damn time that we have a woman Senator or Governor. I just don't think it should be DeGette.

"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)


[ Parent ]
I see that RSB
the fact we haven't had a woman senator or governor in Colorado is valid. He reasoning beyond that is total crap, and I use the word "reasoning" generously.

Since this is the line of thinking I'll be waiting for a statement tomorrow from Jared Polis that Colorado has never had an openly gay senator or governor that he should be chosen.

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010


[ Parent ]
Funny thing
Colorado has never had an openly gay candidate elected to the state board of education, either. Time someone ran as one for that post instead of coming out under pressure once he or she is in office.

[ Parent ]
ZING !
So does Polis get half credit for his "out" congressional run ?

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010


[ Parent ]
Most definitely
It's an historic accomplishment and all the snark shouldn't detract from that.

[ Parent ]
Amen to that
I am proud to be one of his constituents and Polis is already is making a good name for himself in Congress.

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010


[ Parent ]
actually I knew Jared was gay in '00
He didn't deny it but never advertised it either.

[ Parent ]
Fair point
Yeah, I did too, but he certainly didn't run as an openly gay candidate. The 2nd District was another story, and he's to be roundly commended for that.

[ Parent ]
"Colorado has never had a woman (U.S.) senator or a woman governor,"
   Then in '06 when Colo. pro-choice Dems were desperately seeking a pro-choice alternative to Ritter, why did Princess Diana not throw her tiara into the ring and run?

DeGette w/o a bra......
Nope. Definitely not turned on.  

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell


[ Parent ]
Ritter could appoint himself
And by doing so, we would have the state's first woman governor, Barbara O'Brien.


That's
what DeGette is saying, actually.

[ Parent ]
I love how she tries to drag Hickenlooper down with her!
..."if I'm gonna go down cuz I'm liberal, all you bitches are gonna come with me!"  She's a team player to the end.

God I wish someone would run a serious primary challenge to her in CD 1 in '10
maybe one of the male liberal misogynists who is keeping her from being a U.S. Senator.

[ Parent ]
Hehehe. n/t


"The only way you could be worse is if you were Wade Norris." Ralphie

[ Parent ]
What I don't understand
For example, we absolutely think that Cary Kennedy has a long career ahead of her, but she's only been in elected office for two years. She doesn't have the name ID to win a race the magnitude of the U.S. Senate in 2010.

Hasn't Ed Perlmutter also only been in office for 2 years? So, why is he first on the list yet Cary doesn't have enough experience?

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Hasn't Ed been in office only 2 years?
Well, not exactly, since he was first elected to the state Senate in 1995 and served eight years there. So really, David, no, not at all.

[ Parent ]
I think...
David is using McCain/Palin math on the experience factor...  :)

[ Parent ]
Cary Kennedy's background
I'd say Cary's background is pretty strong too. But Ed has run for office (and won) more often. On the flip side, Cary has won state-wide while Ed has won a house district, albiet one that is the most competitive in the state.

My point is that I think Cary is comparable to Ed in terms of experience. Not better, but definitely in the same ballpark.

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[ Parent ]
No doubt...
Cary has a quality background, and if you're looking at their entire resumes they're both strong.  But Pols' point seems to be their electoral backgrounds.  Ed has a record of representing constituents, Cary doesn't yet.  

Also, while getting elected state-wide is important, getting elected to congress has more "umph" to it.  That's (partly) why Coffman jumped at the chance.  You don't see members of Congress coming home to run for a state Cabinet post.

To me, that's why Kennedy isn't on par with EP...


[ Parent ]
Could be but...
I think if Cary was male she would then be in the "top 3" list. There's no way to know for sure, but it feels that way to me. And it's definitely weird that she doesn't even appear on many lists.

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[ Parent ]
I'll buy that...
I don't know about "top 3," (hard to argue against Romo, Hick, and EP) but a "he" would be most likely be more widely considered.

[ Parent ]
plus think of where Perlmutter's ID is highest
Jeffco, Arapahoe, etc. In other words, the critical counties to win statewide is where he is best known and would do best. Cary Kennedy, not as much there.

[ Parent ]
That is an excellent point.


[ Parent ]
Why Arapahoe?
I thought his district included only the northern part of Saudi Aurora.  At least, I think someone told me that.

[ Parent ]
Includes a big chunk of Arapahoe County
30 percent of the 7th is Arapahoe County (20 percent Adams, 50 percent Jeffco). It includes Aurora from its northernmost parts up by DIA (in Adams County) down to Buckley AFB, so, yes, the northern part of Aurora but it's a big part.

[ Parent ]
Oh, Thanks.
...that's one crazy-ass district (its shape and location, I mean).  :-)

[ Parent ]
Arapahoe County is a crazy-ass district (shape)
It's sorta two blobs, East and West with a corridor connection.  Not real efficient. No such thing as a central office. Shoulda put them in south Denver!  

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell


[ Parent ]
State Legislature
Perlmutter served in the state legislature.

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[ Parent ]
And Ed would have no trouble being elected in 2010
Degette, no way and not because of her gender.  

I am a fan of Ed's too but still think Romanoff is the best solution, all things considered.  

Will not be too disappointed if Ed gets it instead.  He's definitely a great person for the job.  But worry about putting CD7 at risk so soon after picking it up. Why, if we  don't have to?  We have the luxury of good options.


[ Parent ]
Why, if we don't have to?
Andrew vs. Ed -- let's take as a given they're equally smart, personable, passionate, savvy, and politically skilled (I believe this).

Ed has these advantages: He can hit the ground running in Washington in a way Andrew just can't, which is a factor considering the early agenda of the Obama administration; he can raise the $15 million, while Andrew's big-time fundraising ability is untested; he has won in a district that mirrors the state (twice), while Andrew simply hasn't.

Andrew has the advantage of being better known statewide (polls show this), based in large part on his work on Ref. C and 58, it's true. But two years in the Senate will equalize this.

Given that Democrats have an advantage retaining the 7th, I'd say those are excellent reasons to put it at risk.


[ Parent ]
Great point RG
And I really like your idea of Romanoff moving to Lakewood and running in the special election for CD-7.

"I'll take incompetence over a business model incentivised to kill me any day." -- DtR(H)

[ Parent ]
I agreeRG
Both Perlmutter and Romanoff would make good senators, but your reasons for Ed are valid and give him a big advantage in 2010. Remember that will be a mid term election and historically the party in power has a tough time.

Ed won in Nov. with 56%, so the advantage is with the Dems IF they put up a strong candidate. My choice is Morgan Carroll, two term representative who just won SD 29 with 69% of the vote. She's already in CD7 (in the eastern part where she got her landslide vote), would just have to build an organization and ID in the western part (Arvada, Lakewood). And since I live in Arvada, but went out to Aurora to work on her SD 29 campaign.......hmmmm.  

"Religion is for people who don't want to go to hell. Spirituality is for people who've been there, and don't want to go back"



[ Parent ]
Yes RG
Your assessment of Perlmutter's advantages is sound. And CD7 is in safe hands--what about Andy Kerr? His state record positions him as a moderate who could to step into Perlmutter's shoes and appeal to constituents who are already his neighbors, friends, parents of his former students, etc.

And I'd come all the way from Ft. Collins to work for him!


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