New Web Spot Smacks "Shifty Schaffer"

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If they are going to drive people to a website like this, they should put up the citations there they use in the ad. Not everyone is going to  just take their word for it.  

"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." - Nietzsche  

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by: twas brillig @ Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 21:55:35 PM UTC

You mean like the right wing does?

Oh wait, the Repubs never have citations because they make most everything up. Why the double standard?

- dave

ps - I do agree citations would be good, but why is the right never held to that standard?

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by: DavidThi808 @ Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 22:42:14 PM UTC

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What?

What's your problem? How does building the most solid case possible against Bob Schaffer have anything to do with your complaint? Sell your soap elsewhere.  

"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." - Nietzsche  

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by: twas brillig @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 03:36:17 AM UTC

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Campaigns are not won or lost on detailed citations

Nor are the won or lost on issue papers, detailed lists of the candidates stand, or anything else like that.

And every time we Dems try to win a campaign that way - we lose. I prefer to run a campaign to win rather than based on the way we wish people made their decisions.

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by: DavidThi808 @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 04:55:35 AM UTC

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Oh, okay...

But apparently they are won or lost on how amazing (or not) campaign websites are, which you constantly bitch about before mentioning how great your mom's was. Go condescend to your cat or something - although it won't be much more impressed than I.


"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." - Nietzsche  

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by: twas brillig @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 04:59:01 AM UTC

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Boy, you sure got up on the wrong side of the bed today

No I don't think much of Schaffer's website - but I think what hurts the most is the perception of no depth it gives. I don't think anyone has read all of Udall's site - but it comes across as that of a candidate who has put in a lot of thought on all the issues, and is reaching out to everyone. And that is worth a lot.

- dave

I don't have a cat but I talked to my dog. Since he's a Golden he was very responsive - of course, they're responsive and thrilled about anything. (ps - I don't think my mom's website was great - my point with it is that 1 person, 2 days, you can have a decent website. So why would a candidate not do that...)

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by: DavidThi808 @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 05:14:10 AM UTC

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Nope

I just think you were being a gas bag about a red herring issue.  

"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." - Nietzsche  

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by: twas brillig @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 21:50:45 PM UTC

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Oh, ok

I was being sarcastic - unsuccessfully apparently. Oh well, they're (my comments) not all winners.

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by: DavidThi808 @ Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 03:08:16 AM UTC

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David

I am not sure who your target audience is here.

This ad will not work well with moderate Republicans.

Maybe Independents.

It seams to target only the anti-Bush administration Crowd which means speaking to your own base.

The Republicans who are unhappy with the current administration have already got the memo that Bush is not on the ballot, AND they know Shaffer was not part of the Bush Administration.

So what else ya got?

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by: NEWSMAN @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:12:37 AM UTC

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It ties Schaffer to Bush

And they will keep doing that, fairly in some cases, unfairly in others, all through the election. Standard Operating Procedure when the president is very unpopular.

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by: DavidThi808 @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 15:42:11 PM UTC

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Very good...

ad.

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  

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by: Arvadonian @ Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 23:04:59 PM UTC

Looks pretty weak and snarky to me, and I'm a solid Democrat

ProgressNow better watch it, or they'll be committing a "General Betray Us" screwup.

I think Schaffer is a train wreck - and so's his campaign - but at least he was honest and principled when it came to honoring his term limits pledge. I will give him that.

"Why not do the right thing for the American people, even though it's not exactly what we want." - Speaker Boehner

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by: Half Glass Full @ Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 12:25:44 PM UTC