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Penry Declines Senate Run, Confirms Discussion

by: Colorado Pols

Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 11:28:27 AM MDT


In response to our article on the courting of state Sen. Josh Penry to run for Colorado's open U.S. Senate seat in 2008, we received this email yesterday afternoon:

Coloradopols,

I'm not running for the U.S. Senate.  A newly-elected, 31-year-old State Senator makes about as much sense in this race as a liberal, peaceknik, environmentalist from Boulder whose defining legislative accomplishment is an earmark for a wildlife bridge across I-70.

And more important, I support Bob Schaffer, and I look forward to doing what I can to help him on the West Slope.  I have every confidence that  Republicans will rally behind Bob, both because he's a truly quality human being (Remember Bob on the bus with Pete the day after that messy primary?) and because the other guy is a Boulder liberal straight out of central casting. 

You really should change the line on this race.

Sincerely,

Josh

Ps - I enjoy your blog and the insights of your bloggers – yes, even yours Ralphie.

In a follow up email, Penry did confirm that he was approached about running, but we accept his reasoning that now probably isn't the right time for him. Like we pointed out before, the reason he was being approached to begin with has more to do with GOP candidate Bob Schaffer than anything else.

Bottom line: as we said on Wednesday, the notion that everyone in the Republican Party is coalescing behind Schaffer isn't entirely accurate. Whether that unease manifests itself in the form of a primary challenger or a significant change in Schaffer's problematic image is yet to be seen.
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Did ya notice
there was no mention from him about a run against John Salazar?
Doesnt Really Matter
It really doesnt matter who he runs against, defeating Sen. Penry would be a hard thing to do in ANY race. The fact that we are even talking about a 31 year old running for Senate shows just how remarkable he is. And when Udall's record is exposed to average Colorado folks, Penry would likely beat him. Penry defeated George Orbanek, Matt Smith and Scott McInnis at the same time. I am sure he could handle a bongo circle diva like Udall.
[ Parent ]
And congratulations Ralphie!
We exposed Penry's cluelessness again.
Huh?


Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010
[ Parent ]
As you pointed out at another site
Ralphie, you don't go out of your way to "destroy" Penry.  His backhanded compliment was just that.
[ Parent ]
I know that, Crystal.
I'm glad he reads the Daily Blog.  Besides, every mention gets me more page visits.

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010
[ Parent ]
You have a daily blog?
Or is this someone else's blog? What's the URL?

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808
[ Parent ]
Google is your friend


Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010
[ Parent ]
You talkin' bout SquareState?
C'mon, what am I supposed to google, "Ralphie's daily blog?" (Actually I did that and SquareState came up...)

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808
[ Parent ]
Check my profile
I don't like to use someone else's space to blog-whore my own.

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010
[ Parent ]
Thanks
That's new since this morning...

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808
[ Parent ]
Speaking of Exposure....
Speaking of exposure. Anyone interested in seeing a background check on Ralphie from peoplefinders.com?? It is amazing what $40 will get ya these days. Ralphie must have had some wild hippy days. Should I wait for ol Bernie's next race before letting those cats out of the bag?
[ Parent ]
More misdirection and fake strawmanning
eh, Ralphie?
[ Parent ]
Pretty much, apparently
Considering I haven't even had a traffic ticket in more than 30 years.

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010
[ Parent ]
Just as well...
I wouldn't vote for someone who doesn't use spell check.

(It's peacenik... not peaceknik)

Get your derogatory and childish jabs right, Josh.

In all fairness....
I doubt he expected to have his e-mail posted on a thread like this.  Cut the guy a little slack
[ Parent ]
In fact,
The reference to Ralphie makes it pretty clear it's what he intended us to do. If someone sends an email in any indicating they don't want it reprinted, we of course will honor that.

Like we've never had a typo. :)

[ Parent ]
Just curious...
Does Pols get a lot of e-mails from elected officials?
[ Parent ]
Never, obviously.

[ Parent ]
Ralphie doesn't mind a bit...
We've discussed the same topic face-to-face.

Josh may be a lot of different things to different people, but "shrinking violet" is not on the list.

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010

[ Parent ]
Is Penry recruiting ya
for a run against Salazar, Ralphie?
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Jack Asses UNITE!
I, for one, think it's sort of cool that a sitting State Senator reads this blog and would participate in the tomfoolery we engage in on a regular basis. 

Does anyone seriously doubt that what he was trying to do was take a jab at Udall while having some fun with the CO POLS audience? 

What you can see in Penry's response is his silver tongue and sharp wit.  I listened to the guy debate in the Senate a couple of times this past session and he makes shreds of people like Ken Gordon and Gail Schwartz. 

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One question if I may, Ralphie
Did Josh "junior Tony Soprano" Penry call a "sit down" of all the "crime families" and "make you an offer you can't refuse"?
[ Parent ]
>Wasn't Ralphie one of Tony Soprano's captains also?
And if I remember right, Soprano took him out in one of the bloodiest scenes of the entire series.And if this Ralphie has indeed been made a captain by junior Tony Soprano Penry, may I advise him not to harm Pie-o-my.
[ Parent ]
That was Ralphie Cifaretto
I don't watch gladiator movies.

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010
[ Parent ]
Actually
I'd give him kudos (or is it cue-does?) for his spelling in the rest of the e-mail. Heck, he spelled "West Slope" right and I bet he can even correctly spell words that trip up others on this site like Canon City and Holyoke. He might even know where they are! Sorry, but in this day and age of Denver-centric politics I have to stick up for anyone from a small town (but not necessarily Elduhrahdo Sprihngs) even if they did spell "peacenik" wrong.

To whom much is given much is expected.
[ Parent ]
Beautifully written
I don't know what his politics are but he can definitely write. His email strikes just the right notes in so many ways. Definitely impressive.

Tom Tancredo Interview
Kind of entertaining
But I don't know how effective attacking Udall for being an environmentalist will be.
[ Parent ]
Atta boy
This response just goes to show how far out of touch Penry is with the majority of Coloradans let alone the United States.

Most people are concerned with ending this war, and protecting our environment very much in the same manner as Mark Udall. The Bob and Josh show of stay the course in Iraq and sticking up for Big Oil is over.

Little Josh is a slick politician, but a misguided one at that.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

And I must add
Penry is an extremely arrogant 31 year old politician. This letter only reinforces the rumors around the Capitol about you. When you grow up, you can play with the adults. Until then, stay seated in the back-row.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole
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Amen Blue...
There are more dignified ways in which to express your political disagreements, Penry.  Let's use our big boy voice, ok??

Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. --Alexander Hamilton
[ Parent ]
Are you serious.....
Hey Pres.....Are you for real with the melodramatic Hamilton quote??!
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GO BLUE PROFILE
So I am going to assume Go Blue is a middle aged burn out who is fiercly insecure that someone younger, smarter and more talented has surpassed them? You wouldnt be the first to throw the arrogant line his way when the reality is that mediocre people despise those who are high achievers -like Penry. Keep moving forward Josh!
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Back Row?
Was Penry in the back row when he brought the labor unions to their knees over the labor peace act giveaway this year?  You might want to check with your puppets in the Senate before making such baseless claims about Penry.

What's arrogant about his e-mail?  He's slamming the Sierra Club's Colorado member of Congress while reinforcing his support for the GOP's most likely nominee. 

Finally, if you listen to rumors around the Capitol wait'll you hear the one about Ken Gordon's porno collection.

[ Parent ]
Really?
Ken Gordon - red-blooded, single, tax-paying, liberal - watches adult movies in the privacy of his own home? Hold the presses! You're about two years late on that one. I want to know what Ted Haggard has in his porn collection. Ew. Maybe I don't. That's the problem with "conservatives"- they're so quick to claim that Haggard was "tempted by Satan". They just refuse to believe that one of their own is a hyprocrite. I admit Ken Gordon is not easiest Democrat to defend - he is certainly quirky- but I have yet to see him using a public venue as a podium for outlawing adult films or responsible sexual behavior for that matter. Wish I could say the same about Ted "crystal meth will make this seem less sinful" Haggard.

And I do not think little ol' Josh Penry "brought labor unions to their knees". ( Interesting choice of words I might add...). I think business interests had most to do with Bill Rotter vetoing that bone-headed bill. Believe me, Democrats do not stay awake at night worrying about Josh Penry. But if it makes you feel better when you're at home in front of the mirror in your tight white t-shirt playing air guitar, Josh ( such a rock star! did anyone even laugh at that stupid skit last year?) , go ahead and think so.

[ Parent ]
Unless there's kiddie porn
or anything featuring coerced models then it's nobody's goddamn business if he owns porn. If you care then please make a big deal out of it and make it easy for the Dems to take more seats in 2008.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808
[ Parent ]
Give me a break
I'm a liberal Democrat living in Boulder and I can see this is a well written letter that does a good job of responding to the posts here and getting in a clever jab at Udall.

I support Udall and will vote for him. But that doesn't mean I can't appreciate a well written response from the opposition.

Tom Tancredo Interview

[ Parent ]
Wow
I guess we'll have to see if Colorado voters have the balls to elect a tax-raising member of Green Peace to replace Sen. Allard.  Are people in Colorado really THAT disenchanted with the way things are? 

Not sure what sort of blue circles you sit around jerking in, Go Blue, but people I talk to would most likely support someone with strong conservative credentials (like Penry's) over the Mark and Maggie show. 

[ Parent ]
who do you hang out with?
Lets look at 2006 state wide races.

Gov./Lieutenant Gov. 
  Bob Beauprez/Janet Rowland (REP) 625886 40.16 % 
  Bill Ritter Jr./Barbara O'Brien (DEM) 888096 56.99 % 

admittedly BB was weak and BR is a moderate.

Secretary of State 
  Ken Gordon (DEM) 748532 49.22 % 
  Mike Coffman (REP) 772403 50.78 % 
KG is a liberal but he would have beat the major 1 of 3 things hadn't happened 1. missed ritter bus thereby missing out on coattails 2. denver voting debacle. Haditha question had come out earlier.

State Treasurer 
  Mark Hillman (REP) 730718 48.68 % 
  Cary Kennedy (DEM) 770403 51.32 % 
CK, never ran for office, writer of both the 23 and C (both hated by sonservatives)beat the popular, well spoken former senate majority leader MH 

Attorney General 
  Fern O'Brien (DEM) 651486 43.35 % 
  John Suthers (REP) 789010 52.50 % 

Fern, no support from party, no money, not even invited on the bus made a credible showing against endorsed by everyone (including ken salazar),well qualified suthers.

Unless you are hanging out with Posse Comitatus, Dobson or the KKK, you have to have noticed a change.

[ Parent ]
Cha-cha-cha-chaaaaning' ?
No.  It was just a bad year.  I can throw our votes on gay marriage, Ref. I, and marijuana right back at ya to prove Colorado's conservative credentials.  But I won't.  Instead I'll just tell you that if you think Ken Salazar and Bill Ritter are the signposts to Colorado's new granola majority then I can only assume that you've been at your Hybrid's exhuast pipe again.

Mark Udall will be up against a formiddable--if conservative--opponent in Bob Schaffer.  Bob's honorable service to his district and this state--and his instant likeability--make him imminently electable.  I'd argue that his conservatism is only an asset.

Dusty points out a real vulnerability in the Udall campaign, namely, there's really nothing out there suggesting that a liberal can win a major statewide office in Colorado circa 2007.  Who knows?  Maybe Colorado really does have a minute for the environment today.  Maybe it even has eight years.  But the average Coloradan is not the dude on Pearl Street with Birkenstocks, a hemp bracelet, and a clipboard.  The stubborn refusal of Colorado Democrats these days to realize that easy fact will likely be their downfall.

[ Parent ]
Can you tell it's summer?
*Cha-cha-cha-chaaaaanGin'

* EMMinently electable.

* circa 2008

* 12 years for the environment

[ Parent ]
Avg. voter
I agree Boulder granola is not the avg., but then again neither is a farmer on the eastern plains.

There is no average voter.  But I understand how you intend to use the word.

The reality is that statewide elections are decided by swing voters and in CO those are denver suburban voters.  JeffCO, DougCO, AdamCO, ArapCO will determine the election and moving "more" conservative will not help Bob Shaffer.  He's likeable, decent guy, and could be elected if he moved to the center.  However his core positions are not reflected by suburban voters.  Voters everyone needs to win state wide.

[ Parent ]
Fair enough.
You can expect to see Bob make issue of core suburban concerns: taxes, education, immigration, etc.  In other words, he'll more effectively and persuasively do what the other Bob failed to do in '06. 

Also, you're exactly right that the average voter is somewhere in the sea of Denver's 'burbs.  Most folks in the suburbs are conservative but willing to trade teams every once in a while to get things done.  Guys like Bill Ritter are go-getters and terribly attractive to suburbanites who may disagree with some Democratic positions, but will crank the lever for the Blue Team if they've got ideas and solutions for everyday problems.

But hopping from the GOP to Bill Ritter's Democrats is a much smaller gap to bridge than, say, hopping aboard the Udall Granolawagon.  Ritter talked about education and healthcare--not "a woman's right to her body" and a half-baked, milquetoast national security policy.  As somebody buried deep in the suburbs myself, I can attest to the willingness--and utter personal frustration of--my neighbors to vote for Ritter and Salazar and moderates like Joe Rice.  But it will be a tough sell to these church-going, patriotic, suburban soccer moms to go for a hippie-dippe defeatist from Boulder.

 

[ Parent ]
Ok we have a bit of agreement
Always start with consensus. But...

BS could talk about his education record, but his opposition to C (popular with Conservatives, but unpopular with the suburb swings), the more effective democratic opperations, and state budget pressure making tuition increases more important than tax cuts for the suburbs, will make it actually difficult for him.

[ Parent ]
Go Josh!
Your time will come, and all this speculation can only help you in the long run.

Was Haners one of Joshy's cheerleaders on the sideline
when he had a failed football career too?
[ Parent ]
Nope!
But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...
[ Parent ]
Churlish and childish.
Penry and Schaffer are both playing directly to a narrowing segment of their own Party.  Bob's website and Josh's email show clearly they're not interested in representing Coloradans in general, only the True Believers who salivate at the predictable insults.

That's fine, in fact it's great.  I'm not a big fan of Mark Udall, but if he were a stock I'd sure be buying his shares right now, because he's our next Senator.

"But every Republican in the world is a lobbyist…" -- Bill O'Reilly

I like Udall
And agree with what you say. Udall's new committee assignments should play well with people in those surbuban areas that strategically are ususally non-starters for dems.
[ Parent ]
Let us throw a little sunshine on all this misdirection BS, can we?

CoPols:  Who is the "group of (so-called) moderate Republicans" who were pushing this mythical Penry senate run?  Don't you wonder WHY there is all this hyping of Penry?  Why do you not ask Penry point blank if there have been overtures for a CD3 run and if he has any inclination to run against John Salazar?
Let it GO!
Jesus Christ, Crystal.  What's with your hard on about the John Salazar thing?  I live in the 3rd CD and I just sent an e-mail to Penry asking him to consider a run against Salazar.  There.  You happy?  Now there's someone in the 3rd asking him to run against Salazar. 

Let it go, man. 

[ Parent ]
Too much dust between Dusty's ears
And NO...I will not let it go.  Just watch.
[ Parent ]
Josh hearts Pols
*Swoon*
Colorado Pols: Why no answer to my questions?
Are you being complicit with "junior Tony Soprano" spin machine?  Remember:  "Once you enter the family, there's no getting out".
Get off it!
Even if your persistance wasn't annoying, Pols never gives a straight answer to anything
[ Parent ]
He doesn't have to
This is his coffee shop
[ Parent ]
Yup
I agree
[ Parent ]
I love it!
when I strike a nerve with clueless Josh "Tony Soprano junior" Penry supporters.  You don't like the truth being revealed, do ya?  You need to gather at the Bada Bing and come up with another game plan.  This ones been exposed.  And no, Mr. Haney, it will be a cold day in hell when I stop exposing Penry for what he is.
[ Parent ]
What are you talking about?
For the vast majority of us who have no idea what you are ranting about - could you give us a hint?

Tom Tancredo Interview
[ Parent ]
Hint: Read previous posts
I'm not going to repost them.
[ Parent ]
But if you still don't get it
ask specific questions and I'll answer.
[ Parent ]
You never answered...
[ Parent ]
My apologies
I took a long nice Fathers Day weekend.  If you read the original CoPols diary about the Penry rumor you would see many reasons which I posted for opposing Penry.  But the issue relevant to this is that there is a concerted Republican effort going on right now to rehabilitate Penry's image from the extremist uber-con that he is to wanting people think he is a moderate and conservationist.  He is far from both.  Just look at his voting record.  He is an energy company go-to-guy and no where close to being a conservationist.  That is the short of it.  Read more here:  http://coloradopols....
[ Parent ]
I just read every comment in this diary entry
and all I found were a bunch of ad-homium attacks. So I still have no idea why you have it in for Penry.

Tom Tancredo Interview
[ Parent ]
I am a little curious about this one thing
Not really in response to Crystal, but you seem to think that Penry put out a zinger of an email. All I read is simpleton ad homs that I expect to hear from the right wing with regard to Udall. What gives?
[ Parent ]
I thought it read well
I guess I could deconstruct the whole thing but bottom line is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I thought it did a good job of being friendly, talking "as one of us", and zinging Udall in a friendly way that makes it hard to take offense, yet it was effective.

I'm not saying I agree with it, just that I thought it was well written. And very reasonable political zingers against Udall - if only the entire campaign could be kept to this nice of a level.

Tom Tancredo Interview

[ Parent ]
Oh, yeah you sooooo struck a nerve
You're just another blogger who's a new face that thinks they own the place.  Take a lesson for kay and Rio-talking about the same B.S. that no one cares about or understands is a fast track way of getting ignored.  You think you got under my skin?  You obviously haven't been around when someone has....

But if you thinking that somehow you blew the lid off of some monsterous conspiracy will help you sleep better at night, then go ahead, I'd hate to keep you up.  Likewise if you think that bugging Pols to feed into your "theories" will make a difference either.

If you have concrete evidence, then pony up.  But if all you have is theory and conjection, then stop pretending you're the next Bob Woodward

[ Parent ]
I did get under your skin and I love it
Perny supports are that way.  Too funny.  Why all the Penry hype Mr. Haney, if he is not running against John Salazar?  eh?  No one cares about who is going to be running against Salazar?  Get a clue Mr. Haney Oh, and I've been around far longer than you know.
[ Parent ]
Oh, so now you magically know what I'm feeling?
Wait, you're right-your lame response about how you "love to get under Penry supporter's skins"-yes, THAT got under my skin.

So, I'm still waiting for your evidence Mr. Woodward.......

[ Parent ]
Are you a Penry supporter Haners?
I thought you lived in Colo. Springs...

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808
[ Parent ]
they are everywhere

[ Parent ]
I like the guy
Yeah, I live in the springs, but he seems like a good Republican, and he has a lot of appeal.  He's a young guy, but he seems to know how to play the game.  I wouldn't be surprised if I ended up casting a ballot for him at some point....
[ Parent ]
I think you may be right
It looks like Penry is a rising star in the Colorado GOP. I definitely expect him to run for Congress, the Senate, or for Governor sometime in the future as long as he stays on this path.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808
[ Parent ]
"did too...
did not...did too...did not...did too...did not."

there crystal and haners, I saved you both the time and effort of several posts each. Don't bother thanking me, it's the least I could do.

To whom much is given much is expected.

[ Parent ]
Whew
I don't know how to thank you!  :)
[ Parent ]
Please allow me to clear things up here
In my opinion:  I apologize in advance if this is a little long.  Some background disclosure first: I am a Mesa County Democrat.  I know who both Ralphie and CrystalBluePersuasion are.  CBP is an outspoken Democrat in Mesa County.  Ralphie and all his numerous other names he uses on here is a consultant and political whore with few principles in Mesa County, who wants people to think he is on the left but who sells himself to the right all the time.

Now, it was not until I read and understood AbUnoDisceOmnes' post that I figured all this out.  If you read Penry's reply to ColoradoPols then you will see a fake dissing of Ralphie.  As AUDO's post points out (rather cryptically), Ralphie is now working for the Penry camp.  And I think that is what CBP has been getting at with his questions to Ralphie. Apparently none of the posters, including me, know for certain that Ralphie has been made a captain in the junior Tony Soprano Penry family.  But my belief is that both CBP and AUDO are dead right about this.  All this Penry hype has been a contrived setup, in which ColoradoPols has been a participant.

Back up a few days.  ColoradoPols posted a rumor supposedly pushed by a group of moderate Republicans.  They offer no sources for the rumor they published.  They allowed it to simmer for a couple of days to get Penry more exposure.  There are reasons CP will not answer the questions that were asked.  What ColoradoPols will not tell you is that Penry had made his denial 2 days before this CP post.  Penry made almost the same word for word denial which Mike Saconne posted on his blog on Wednesday at the Daily Sentinel web site.  ColoradoPols did not say a word about it till Friday, 2 days after Penry made his denial.  I agree with CBP.  ColoradoPols has been in on this Penry campaign tactic from the get-go.  And CPB was right to ask who the phantom moderate Republicans are. 
It is a logical conclusion to draw from this that Penry wants the press and is planning to run against John Salazar. 
Shame on Bane and ColoradoPols for being part of the "Penry crime family."


thanks for the information
I wish I could confirm it.

I had my suspicions, the whole "unnamed moderate republicans" smelled like a rebranding to set up for the CD3 or latter statewide race.

Annonymity is the weakness of the web, leaves the medium open to false-flagging, libel and rudeness.

[ Parent ]
Damn, the jig is up.
You're breaking our heart, Fredo.

Seriously, we don't think that Penry really wants to be the next Scott Tipton at this point in his career, but each dawn is a new beginning as the alcoholics say. And you're free to let your imagination take you wherever it wants to.

By the way, Jason Bane is on vacation.

[ Parent ]
Hmmmm. Is Penry an alcoholic also?

[ Parent ]
I thought it was
Colonel Mustard in the library with a candlestick.  Shows what I know.

Learning's post made my brain hurt.  Not sure if I haven't had enough coffee yet or if my brain doesn't work that way, but I couldn't follow it.

[ Parent ]
What a bunch of posts for a non-event


"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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