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Colorado Hearts Romney

by: Colorado Pols

Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 11:59:52 AM MDT



Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has consistently performed better in Colorado Pols Presidential polls than he has nationally, and that's no doubt due to the support he gets from high-profile Republicans in Colorado (including Romney's Colorado campaign consultants, Phaseline Strategies).


Former Gov. Bill Owens signed on with Romney many months ago, and so has failed gubernatorial candidate Bob Beauprez.


But as Mt. Virtus notes, Colorado GOPers also have love for Rudy Giuliani:


Meanwhile, some other big Republican names in Colorado are throwing their support behind Rudy Giuliani and organizing an April fundraiser. Among them are former U.S. Senator Ben "Nighthorse" Campbell, Beauprez's 2006 primary opponent Marc Holtzman, House Minority Leader Mike May, former Denver Bronco stars John Elway and Ed McCaffrey, former Nuggets GM Kiki Van de Weghe, Douglas County Commissioner Jack Hilbert, former society columnist Diane Wengler, Denver GOP Chair Mary Smith, and several other prominent business leaders, entrepreneurs, and attorneys.
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Rudi, what a guy!
Rudi is proof that all the right's talk about family values isn't worth a bucket of warm spit.  And as far as Rudi being such a 9/11 hero, what did he actually DO?  In spite of the first twin towers attack back in the 90s he had  taken no action to provide a way for his police and fire fighters to communicate with each other. He went along with the push to claim it was perfectly safe to go in, who needs respirators? He hurried recovery to the point we've got human remains filling pot-holes but, damn!  He put out some fine tough talk and made sure some bank's gold was recovered, didn't he?  Be still my hero-worshippng heart!
He did a whole lot more
during the terrorist attacks than Ray Nagin did in New Orleans during the hurricane.
All 'ol Nagin could do is cry that the guvment ignored them. Poor poor peoples of Nawleans........

At least Rudy got off his ass and realized that he was in charge of the first line of defense, not the White House.

So much for that theory.

Liberalism ultimately leads to socialism. Progressive (AKA liberalism) means progressing towards socialism.  

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For the first time EVER
I find myself in agreement with LIAS. Although I do believe Nagin's criticisms were largely spot-on, he was much less of a leader in crisis than Giuliani. There were factors (such as the NOPD chief going AWOL) that were out of Nagin's control. I don't think the NYPD or FDNY wholesale deserted NYC the way some of NO's emergency personnel did. Still, Nagin didn't exactly impress, and Rudy did.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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same here.............and it makes me feel a little queezy
but even a broken clock is right twice a day.  LIAS finally got it right.
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Hick
Hickenlooper would have done just as good a job after 9/11 as Rudy (and he would have stayed with his wife and wouldn't have had to move in with 2 gay guys either).  I agree, what's so big about Rudy?  They HATED him in NY City before 9/11.
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Hick would have been handing out sleds and hot chocolate after 9/11

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Not fair
If Denver had gotten billions of dollars of aid and volunteer firefighters from around the country, the streets of Denver would have been cleared in 10.2 hours after the snow storms we got this winter.  NYC got just about everything including the kitchen sink from the Feds.  Not hard to be a Mayor in that event, just need to be a good manager.
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LOL
yeah he'd be making comericals about how we should pull ourselves together, they'd most certainly be animated with special effects.
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LIAS,
Have you prescribed a treatment for Rudy's support for abortion rights, gay rights and gun control?  Looks like a liberal to me!


"I've learned a lot of lessons being involved in politics. I also believe that when you are attacked, you have to deck your opponents." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
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Wow! Nagin's running for prez???????
Oh, wait, I see. This is yet another posting by you that is off topic, illogical, and contributes nothing to this larger conversation.

You are so typical of right wing "thinking", that when backed into a logical corner, all you can do is pull out the "Yeah?  Well, what about Clinton/Nagin/FDR/Kennedy etc.

You could not pass a high school debate class.

So, if liberalism is a sickness, what is being well?  A fool?

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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if he were, he probably wouldn't be polling much worse than Tancredo or Kucinich

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"so much"
so much for what theory? What did you debunk? Instead of addressing the very specific criticisms of Rudy you

1. bring up a completely unrelated politician who was in an entirely different disaster
2. do not cite any specific examples of what Rudy did

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Dear Liberalism is a Sickness
I could have written that response myself.  When righties can't blame something on Clinton they just go to the "some Democrat sometime, somewhere was just as bad or worse" argument.  Heck, that was the best defense they could come up with for Nixon.  Responding in some coherent, relevant way isn't your strong suit, is it?
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You do the same thing.
You said Rudy did a mediocre job at best during a tragedy that was far worse than a hurricane, IMHO. I think he did an outstanding job.
So I ask you: Would you rather have had Rudy as Mayor of New Orleans or Ray Nagin?
Can you respond in a coherant, relevant way?


Liberalism ultimately leads to socialism. Progressive (AKA liberalism) means progressing towards socialism.  
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Just for you LIAS
There have already been plenty of comments so this is just for you, LIAS, since you asked.

1) You are right that there is no comparison between Katrina in New Orleans and the tragedy of 9/11 in NYC.  While I wouldn't presume to quantify or compare the level of horror and loss of life between the two events, the damage done to the entire infrastructure, economy and social fabric of New Orleans was many, many times more extensive than the damage done to NYC.

2) You are right about Naggin doing a lousy job. It simply isn't relevant to the discussion.

3) Here are some facts.  Prior to 9/11 in Giuliani's second term his popularity had slipped into the 30s. He was especially unpopular with city workers, including many police and fire fighters.  Even those who appreciated the crime control viewed him as insufferable, abrasive, arrogant, bigoted and heartless. 

After Giuliani made clear his intention to run for President, the International Association of Firefighters, tired of hearing about the hero of 9/11, came forward with accusations that he had rushed them through the search for their brethren's remains, not allowing them the time they wanted to do the job thoroughly as soon as millions in assets were recovered from the Bank of Nova Scotia.

He joined the Bush administration in downplaying the dangers of the air quality at the WTC site, assuring everyone it was a safe environment.  It wasn't and many real 9/11 heroes will die before their time as a result. 

Families of victims have been incensed by reports of the rush to clear debris, on his watch, resulting in their missing loved ones remains winding up as filler for pot-holes.

Several books have been written about his failure, having become mayor shortly after the first WTC bombing, to take proper precautions.  His emergency manager wanted him to put the City Emergency Management Center in Brooklyn rather than in the WTC.  He ignored that advice.  The present mayor has taken it.  This is just one of many examples .

4) You haven't mentioned the issues stemming from his  marriage history and certainly no one ought to be condemned just for failed marriages.  However, this is a man who, prior to asking his second wife for a divorce, announced it at a public  press conference.  Because of his refusal to stop bringing his mistress to the home, the mayor's mansion, in which his wife and children lived, his wife resorted to asking for a restraining order.  These are not the actions a of a decent person of good character.  These are the actions of a low-life louse, albeit a low-life louse with politically correct (among liberals) views on gays, guns and abortion.

There.  Of course there's  much more, but enough for now.  I didn't notice anything susbtantive in your contention that he did a great job after 9/11. 

Forgive me for failing to be enthusiastic over the prospect of a president who would combine the worst qualities of Bush(absolute my-way-or-the-highway arrogance) with the worst qualities of Bill Clinton(alley-cat scandal alerts). It seems to me there is plenty here for both the left and the right to view with dismay and you can be sure, if he gets the nomination, more will come out every day between that nomination and the election so the prospect of actually having Giuliani for President strikes me as extremely remote. 

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Emergency Center
Yeah, that was a doozy, put the EC in the prime target.  Effin' brilliant.  And this guy then went on to be a security consultant?

Thanks for a good and detailed response to, well, I won't go there.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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Think Rudy will give Elway marriage advice?
I mean, Giuliani's up by two marriages and a public mistress-flaunting on John, so he probably can give him some pointers.
LOL!

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Rudy is giving some of the Dems on this site major angst attacks.......
  They obviously cannot attack him on his position on the issues (because those positions are virtually identical to Dem positions), so at the risk of looking like hypocrites, they go after his personal. 
  Remember back in '98 and early '99 when a certain politician's personal life was irrelevant and off-limits?
  The Dems do have good reason to fear Giuliani.  If Giuliani is the GOP Prez nominee (a very, very big if), it turns the Electoral College map upside down for the Dems.
  California becomes a serious toss-up state and N.Y. becomes red.  Add that to Texas and Florida. 
  Maybe the Dems could pick off a couple of southern states where an Italian from NYC who's pro-choice, pro gay rights, and (sort of) pro gun control will not go over very well, but I can't see the Dems making much headway in the deep south with Hillary or Obama at the top of the ticket.
Agree...
When dems start attacking Rudy for his personal lives, it sparks of desperation. 

His is an intriguing candidacy.  I for one would like to see the national debate move beyond the "God, Guns, and Gays" rhetoric, and if Rudy is smart he'll stay off those topics altogether and focus on the more real issues facing us today.

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Oh, yeah
Rudy is entitled to privacy in his personal life. But when he wages a public battle over whether he or his wife get to stay in Gracie Mansion because of his adultery, and he publicly parades his mistress on the streets of New York, he's clearly and repeatedly made choices that say his personal life is anything but private.

Besides, in 1998-99 were YOU arguing that a politican's personal life is irrelevant and off-limits? What are the odds that you were...

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Besides, in 1998-99 were YOU arguing that a politican's personal life is irrelevant and off-limits? YOU BET I WAS ARGUING FOR CLINTON'S RIGHT TO PRIVACY
  I will say now what I said then.....his affair and his lying about it may be grounds for a divorce (it was his wife's decision, and I would respect that either way) but they were not crimes nor where they grounds for impeachment.
  I voted for Bill Clinton in '92 and in '96 proudly, and but for the 22nd Amendment, if he could and would have run again in 2000, I would have voted for him a third time.  But I would not want my sister to date him.....
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I agree
that candidates personal lives should be considered largely irrelevant. The only exception is if a candidate *him- or herself* makes specific statements that are directly contradicted by their actions. This is tricky, and probably inapplicable most of the time. For instance, a candidate thrice-divorced is not being the least bit hypocritical to propose institutions that support marriage, as they define it. One is an individual-level "failure," and the other is a social policy initiative. However, a practicing homosexual (what an odd phrase!) who publicly condemns homosexually certainly has invited legitimate attention to his/her private life! Obviously, by my criteria, there is a very low frequency of situations in which a candidates private life is truly relevant.

I can understand the irresistability of the irony that the leading candidates from the party most vocal about "family values" seem to have been most deficient in that regard in their personal lives. But I'll hold candidates responsible only for what they say, not for what their party says, since we all know that in a two party system almost everyone is accepting a package only a part of which they agree with. And, though it would be politically impossible to do so (see my discussion with Toodles on the possibility -or impossibility- of complete honesty and candor in politics), there are ways to defend those positions while having appeared to violate the values expressed by them without being the least bit hypocritical: "I myself may not be a poster child for family values, but that does not diminish my recognition of their importance to our collective existance. As a leader, my first responsibility is to do what's right for the nation, and not to hold policy prisoner to my own biography."

Oh, in case you missed it, I think the whole "family values" mantra is a bunch of crap. But that's beside the point. I'm not looking for opportunities to take shots at those who disagree with me: I'm looking for opportunities to engage them in reasoned debate to collectively determine what policies are in our collective best interest. If I could rewrite the rules of this sport, I'd pare away all the rest of the noise made in the name of political discourse and leave only that behind.

"(People) will do the rational thing, but only after exploring all other alternatives" -John Maynard Keynes.

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"a practicing homosexual (what an odd phrase)"...
Recalls one of my favorite lines from the old television series "Soap".  When asked if he was a "practicing homosexual", Billy Crystal's character Jody Dallas responded, "I don't have to practice, I'm good at it."

"I've learned a lot of lessons being involved in politics. I also believe that when you are attacked, you have to deck your opponents." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
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Exactly the joke that came to mind,
though I had never seen that episode.

"(People) will do the rational thing, but only after exploring all other alternatives" -John Maynard Keynes.
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"Soap" What a great show.
How can you guys remember such detail?

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010
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Hmmm
I don't think I want to hear lectures about marriage or family values from a guy on his third marriage.  Maybe it isn't hypocritical as you define it, but he hasn't shown a lot of expertise there.
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Has he made such lectures?
And what are their precise content? These are relevant questions to me. I'm also willing to give some slack to political necessity: He can't ignore the party's base.

I'm not interesting in hearing lectures about marriage or family values from anyone, but, again, that's beside the point. For my part, it doesn't affect my evaluation of him as a candidate, except to the extent that it expresses an ideology I disagree with (and that's quite enough, thank you!).

"(People) will do the rational thing, but only after exploring all other alternatives" -John Maynard Keynes.

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he hasn't been giving such lectures......
and he's pretty comfortable with non-traditional families....look at how he was a house guest with that gay couple after Donna Hanover got use and occupancy of Gracie Mansion awarded to her during the divorce......
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Good point.
I've never really given Rudy much thought: Maybe he's worth a closer look.

"(People) will do the rational thing, but only after exploring all other alternatives" -John Maynard Keynes.
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Maybe not
Hillary is the only Dem who can beat Rudy in their home state.  She can beat him in NY, and take all the other blue states Kerry/Gore got, plus maybe NM and NV, and we take it.  CA won't go GOP, no way.  Maybe for the Governator, but not for Rudy, no.
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I don't think New York either
Maybe back when he was a moderate on abortion and so on.  But he had to give all that up to run for the Republican nomination.

California was ready to throw the Governator out until he backed down and became a moderate, so I agree no chance there.

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Hillary is the only Dem who can beat Rudy in their home state
  Hillary just MIGHT beat Giuliani in NY, but it's far from certain and she would have to spend time and money campaigning there......ditto for California.....two states in which Al Gore and John Kerry didn't have to campaign actively. 
  If Hillary is busy campaigning in NY and CA, and ultimately prevails in both of those states, how does she find the time and money to close the gap in Florida or Ohio?
  I'm just saying that Giuliani as the GOP creates MAJOR problems for the Dems. 
  But don't worry.....I do not believe that the wing nuts in the Republican Party will ever allow him to be the nominee.  Fallwell, Robertson and Dobson may turn out to be Hillary's best friend by blocking Giuliani from the nomination.
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OQD,
When I bring up Rudy's personal history it is not so much to attack him (hell, I couldn't care less who he screws--or who he is married to when he does it) as it is to attack the Republican party's glaring hypocricy.  They wear the "family values" badge but could very well end up nominating a man who has serial marriages under his belt.

The irony of this whole thing is in the history of the US we have had one divorced president--the Godfather of modern "Family Values Conservatism" Ronald Reagan.  The all but annointed (literally) candidate of the Christian Right wing of the Republican Party is Newt Gingrich--thrice divorced Newt Gingrich.  The current frontrunner for the nomination of the "family values Republican Party" is thrice divorced Rudy Giuliani.  The candidate running second, John McCain has been divorced once.  Meanwhile, on the Democratic side, we have one candidate who has been divorced (twice) Dennis Kucinich--and he's running dead last in most polls.

The irony cannot be lost on you....

By the way, Hillary will beat Rudy in New York if they are the nominees of their parties...

"I've learned a lot of lessons being involved in politics. I also believe that when you are attacked, you have to deck your opponents." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)

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Agreed
It won't be Dems who vote against the guy for his numerous marriages or his cross dressing or his gay roommates.  It will be Repubs.  Or if they don't, they've been lying about their values.

I do think a lot of women will vote against him for the way he humilated his second wife in public, though.  That was really nasty, and showed horrible judgment.

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Paragraph One, ditto.
No sense repeating good words.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010
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you're right about the hypocrisy......
...and I'm not sure that the infamous Big Tent will be big enough to cover the Bible Thumpers (as well as the Mike Jones Thumpers) and the thrice married, pro-choice, pro gay rights, pro gun control Rudy.  That's why all this speculation is fun, but I still can't imagine he'll be the GOP nominee.
  As for your belief that Hillary would beat Rudy in New York if they are the nominees of their parties, I beg to differ.  Hillary won in a landslide last year, running as Democrat in a Democratic state in a good Democratic year against an unknown Republican.
  Rudy won two elections as a Republican running in a stauchly Democratic city, the secocd time (1997) by not necesarily a landslide, but by a comfortable margin nonetheless.
  Hillary might beat Rudy in NY in a general election, but she's have to campaign for it and spend money.
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Rudy has never ran...
statewide in New York State.  Hillary has---twice and won.  Polls show her well ahead of Rudy in New York right now.  Municipal elections are very different from national elections.  Individuals are more likely to vote for the individual--without regard to party--in a municipal election than they are in a national election.

"I've learned a lot of lessons being involved in politics. I also believe that when you are attacked, you have to deck your opponents." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
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do you have a link to any of the NY State polls.......I'd be curious to see the numbers

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I disagree
I see no chance Giuliani wins either California or New York.  People have some residual fondness for the guy because he made us all feel better after 9-11.  But he has to run to the right on social issues in order to have a chance at the nomination.  There won't be any pro-choice, pro-gay rights position left.  Just his flip-flops.

The Republicans are in a nasty double bind here.  The candidate has to take all the rightwing social positions to win the nom, but not many states outside of the south and Utah are going to find that appealing in the general.

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No angst here
No angst here.  Rudi's high poll numbers are strictly a function of fame and name recognition.  Most don't know a thing about him, least of all his stands on issues.  Folks just know he's supposedly "America's Mayor" because of 9/11. If he gets the nomination, oh boy! The attack ads will write themselves and every day will bring a new fire for his handlers to put out. Rudi for Prez (and Beauprez for Senate) wouldn't cause me any heartburn whatsoever. 
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not quite true
He had name recognition prior to 9/11, although you could argue that's a result of being mayor of America's largest and most important city. (Although a good test of that would be to ask the person on the street the name of the mayor who served between Koch and Giuliani. I bet many old enough to really remember will not.)

But Giuliani was known for cleaning up the city, bringing in reform to the NYPD's structure so that cops would actually bust petty criminals, a policy proven to drive down serious crime. This was well before 9/11, and while he had his share of critics no one questioned his effectiveness. So it's not accurate to say that he's known only as "America's Mayor" due to 9/11, and it would also be a mistake to downplay that as well. After W, we need a chief executive who won't crack under the enormous pressure of crisis, and Rudy is the one guy either side is fielding right now who has proven his mettle in this regard.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP

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Dinkins.
What do I get?

"(People) will do the rational thing, but only after exploring all other alternatives" -John Maynard Keynes.
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A virtual pat on the back
and an aside that political bloggers don't quite fit the "person on the street" mold I had in mind. :)

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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To be honest,
I was kinda surprised I knew!

"(People) will do the rational thing, but only after exploring all other alternatives" -John Maynard Keynes.
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Dinkins didn't exactly
have s distinguished administration. But I brought it up to illustrate the point that being NYC mayor is enough to get yourself in the news (although the main point was that Giuliani gained more recognition for what he accomplished).

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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Cuomo and Dinkins
And I didnt even look it up (thanks to tribe called quest).

He is seen as America's Mayor due to 9/11. Everything that led up to 9/11, Im talking about his policy work, made him a solid mayor of New York. I bet, prior to 9/11, if you would have taken a poll asking people who the mayor of NYC was, and what he has accomplished within the city, a majority of people would not know. Just like a majority of people wouldnt know about Hick, or Seattle's mayor, or Vegas'. 9/11 put Rudy in the forefront of people's mind. Just like Katrina put Nagin's in the forefront of people's mind. If it werent for those two events a majority of people would not know who they are.

It may be a mistake to downplay 9/11, but to use it as a campaign ploy, in my opinion, is disgusting use of a national tragedy to advance a career. Rudy was the only politician who had the ability to do anything as 9/11 was happening; he was the only person on the ground who had the authority to do anything. Sure, he didnt crack under pressure, but its was his job. If he would have stayed in his office and organized response he would have just as much goodwill. He may have performed well in this crisis, but it seems he is bending to the political will of the republican party. So now matter how well he did, it means nothing if he cant stand up to the pressure of political heavy hitters.

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Cuomo was guv.

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Oops
Then Bloomberg! (granted it was after Rudy)
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Anyone who can put up with NYC politics
can put up with any other political heavy hitter, anywhere.

As far as riding 9/11's coattails go, accusing him of that is akin to accusing Edwards of exploiting his wife's illness for political gain. 9/11 did indeed vault him into the nation's spotlight, but I'll briefly repeat myself - he was already known prior to 9/11 (better than Romney and any other GOP contender not named McCain, I'm sure) and had a reputation for cleaning up NYC.

It's true that the GOP base will have serious issues to take with his socially moderate (if not outright liberal) positions and that will likely cost him the nomination. But the base has problems with all of the GOP frontrunners because they're all on the record expressing socially moderate positions. At this point it looks like Guiliani has a real shot, and if he performs well it could signal a turning point for the GOP, away from big government RRR policies and back to the fiscal conservatism for which they're historically known.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP

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Thats what I assumed too
But when I hear him talking about appointing "constructionist" justice, ala Scalia and Thomas, I know he has cowed to pressure to, at the very least, appear conservative to a wider audience (ie fundamentalists).

Edwards situation is absolutely different. His wife has incurable, but treatable, cancer. He made, in my opinion, the right decision to let everyone know the situation. It was not a political ploy, it was an honest admission of personal tragedy. 9/11 on the other hand was a national tragedy. No one has the right to use the imagery, especially as a means to a presidential run. The difference is that Edwards made an announcement, which a) would have come out sooner or later, so best for them to do it with class (as they did), and b) the tragedy is uniquely theirs, not the nations, and they are not using it to gain votes.

Im not holding my breath for the republican base to change. The fact that a person like Fred Thompson can make inroads now says a lot. And, although he is not a frontrunner, Mike Huckabee has always been conservative.

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Rudy has said he'll appoint judges like Scalia and Thomas?!
WARNING WARNING WARNING.

that's horrible

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Agreed
If our next President must be a Republican I'd prefer Giuliani over any other, but the Dems will have to nominate a truly bad candidate (think someone in the Dukakis mold) for me to even consider voting for him in the general.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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He said constructionist judges
Which I take to mean Thomas and Scalia. With Stevens walking up deaths drive way the last thing I want is more "sleepy time" Thomas.
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I assume he meant "strict constructionist" judges...
.....which is right-wing code for Scalia and Thomas. 

And I agree with you that, of all things needed by the supreme court, more Thomas ain't one.

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Yes
Strict constuctionalist/textualist. All I know is that I am not a big fan. Im more of a living documtentalist.
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Not to drag this topic on ad nauseum
Rudy is not a blip on my radar, because I sincerely doubt he will get the nomination. He is like a Lincoln Chafee, I like his positions, but in a practical, primary driven world he does not espouse the "values" which will let him get the nod.

Personal life is no longer personal if you make it public. A press conference divorcing your wife, unbeknownst to her, is a very public airing of your personal life, and that, to me, should not be off limits. I have great respect for privacy, but you cant announce something as personal as this, and then expect people to not talk about.

My biggest problem with your support of Rudy, yet your concern over Obama or Edwards, is that you are moving the goal posts. Being a senator, by definition, gives you experience in the international arena. Running a city is running a city. You do not act as a diplomat of america, and your primary concern is about the ~8 million inhabitants of NYC.

A slight derail, but your support of Hillary also makes me scrunch my brow and say "hmmm..." Why do you support a person that did (and still does?) support DOMA?

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Rudy's more than a blip
Also not to drag this out, but Rudy's been leading the field in the polls, at least lately. That probably doesn't mean much in the long run, but let's give him credit where it's due.

And sorry, but running NYC is much, much more than running a city, even a comparable city like LA or Chicago. Remember, they have to deal with international delegations at the UN all the time. And since NYC is America to most of the world (it's no mistake that 9/11 happened there, not Des Moines), their mayor is a kind of diplomat to the world - more so than most Senators, I would argue.

Just in case anyone's curious, I can't imagine voting for him over any nominated Dem - after all, Rudy's judgment on certain Constitutional affairs lead me to believe he would keep the Patriot Act in place and Gitmo running - but let's give him credit for what he's done and for his strength as a candidate.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP

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Well
Primaries are often defined by the most active, and extreme, members of the party. Rudy toes the center and that is not a quality fringe republican members like. He has led in the polls, but those polls are usually likely republican voters, or registered republicans. There is a difference between them and the people that vote in primaries.

NYC maybe America to most of the world, but there is must greater interaction with the US government and the UN than the mayor of NYC and the UN. His office may coordinate logistics with the UN, but Khalilzad (sp?) is the diplomat there, not Rudy (or Bloomberg now). Constitutionally, Senators engage in international decisions, which no mayor would be allowed to do. He may represent one of the faces of america, but as mayor he held no sway over international decisions.

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See my response above
But I will add that one of the polls (cited in a diary on this very site) talked to "likely GOP primary voters." His lead wasn't as great, but it was still significant.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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Probably a lot more skill needed than guv of Texas!
Most of the water carrying is done by the lieutenant guv.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010
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Has Rudy maintained his pro-gay, pro-life positions in this primary race? Or has he pulled a Romney?
I sincerely don't know, but I's askin.
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I haven't heard him recant his positions on those social issues (yet) but he has promised to appt. conservatives to the courts
...once he sends a Robert Bork-type up and the nomination is defeated, he'll have to come back with an Anthony Kennedy or a Sandra Day O'Connor type of Republican. Just like Reagan did.
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Shortly before the Bork blow up, however, Reagan successfully appointed Scalia..
...and elevated Rehnquist to chief.  I'd hate to have to depend on a Democratic Senate to stop the president's misguided picks.  For one thing, the Senate could switch parties again, easily.  For another thing, I'd rather have a good judge than settle for a compromise pick (Kennedy is certainly the latter rather than the former, IMO).

I'm not fond of any president who tries to push a Bork-type judge (who certainly would roll back any pro-choice, pro-gay, etc., rulings, and issue opposite ones).  What does this say about the president's true values and policies?

[ Parent ]
McCaffery's a Republican!?!?!
I used to have such respect for him!

Retirement in action does not equal retirement of beliefs.
He's a pro jock turned sauce-selling businessman
What did you expect? ;)

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
[ Parent ]
I would bet that...
95% white pro athletes are (R) - and that non-caucasian pro athlete political affiliation is 50/50.  Just a guess.
[ Parent ]
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