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Allard Will Announce Retirement on Monday

by: Colorado Pols

Sat Jan 13, 2007 at 18:08:36 PM MST


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Republican Sen. Wayne Allard is set to announce his retirement on Monday at the State Capitol in Denver.

Allard's spokesman told The Denver Post today that the Senator had made up his mind about 2008, and his mind is apparently set on calling it a career.

Former Rep. Scott McInnis confirmed to the Post today that he will definitely run for the Senate if Allard retires, which is something Colorado Pols noted two weeks ago.
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Who does the party bigwigs go for this time?
My guess is that there will probably not even be a Republican primary--unless Tom the Terrible decides to screw things up.  McInnis is certainly running--but what about Bob Schaffer?  What about the Elway talk?  What is the party leaders want to wait for Schaffer--then what does McInnis do?

I think Schaffer is the man for the job.  He could have whipped Cowboy Ken and I'm sure he'll do a wipe-up job on Udull.  For he's too good of a Republican to run against McInnis.  McInnis may be a repeat of Coors or Beauprez.  Coors lost that race because he looked like the liberal in the race.  Will McInnis play to the middle?  He'll lose if he does.

Scotty M. looks like an opportunist more than anything else.  He may be good for a 2010 run against Ritter.  But I hope he sobers up and let's a real conservative run.

Please have a "real conservative" run
Because then Udall wins without even breaking a sweat. This state is not conservative - it's moderate with libertarian leanings. It will almost always take the moderate over the extremist statewide.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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I hear that a lot...
"We're a libertarian-leaning state."

I think you're running on old data.  Let's look at the past four years.  We passed a minimum wage bill, voted for FasTracks, voted for Referendum C--all of that hardly libertarian.  We also voted against pot posession, against gay unions, for a marriage protection amendment, and for a economically center-left, socially conservative Democrat for governor.  Libertarian?  We look like Poland!

That silly "convenional wisdom" coming out of pundits fails to see the dramatic shift in Colorado that we don't see in the rest of the West.  That's because Colorado is as much MIDwestern as it is Western.  We've shifted right socially and left economically with the Latino population increase.

That's why Udall will never win.  Udall is a liberal.  As the Big Line points out he's a different statewide Dem than Ritter or Salazar.  He has a record that shows a devotion to NARAL and the unions.  That cannot win in Colorado.  Period.  Serious conservatives--a la Bush, Allard, Owens--can.

Who can win for the Dems?  Salazar.  Any Salazar.  They are Latino, John loves guns, and they have the rugged Colorado image.  Udull?  He may be good for a latte for this state will never vote for a lib.

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True libertarians don't understand "libertarian leaning"
True libertarians cannot understand the concept of someone who does believe in having the government be a little more hands off - but there is still social security, public education, and demand for single payer healthcare.

In some ways this state is socially conservative, but it also is very much in favor of keeping the government out of those issues.

I think a serious conservative would go down big time. Owens did not run as a conservative, but as a moderate. And he governed mostly as a moderate - which drove the right wing mad but made him very popular.

But by all means do believe that a true conservative is electable - that is a big help to use on the democratic side. Go, go, go!

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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You think Udull is a moderate?
Come on!  Latte Mark is no more moderate than Bob Schaffer.  Besides, he's sleazy.  Even the lefties I talk to tell me they can't stand the man because he oozes with Washington sleaziness.  Nobody says that about Schaffer--or even McInnis.

Bill Owens is a conservative.  He was spotlighted by the National Review and the people who really don't like him are the fringy types.  I wasn't crazy about Ref. C but all in all the man governed as a true standard-bearer of the center-right character of Colorado.  John Andrews said as much in an article a couple of weeks ago.  Maybe the Tancredo and Caldara types don't like him.  So what?

Even the people who complain about Owens would still vote for the man over Latte Mark.  Democrats can win in Colorado--I get that.  But don't delude yourself into thinking this state is anything but center-right.

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Is DDHGLQ really Wadhams?
It is good to hear the right wing talking points already...attack the person...Latte Mark? Sleezy?  Way to go ...welcome home, Macaca.

 For politics, geezers are golden.
by: BlueCat @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 19:19:14 PM MDT
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lol
I guess humor has become limited to the right wing.  Too bad.  I remember when liberals could have a laugh once in a while, too.  Latte Mark?  Is that vitriolic?  Udall is a Boulder liberal.  I think it's a fine name.

I only said that even the liberals I know call him sleazy.  I also find Bill Owens sleazy.  Politicians, generally whether Republican or Democrat, tend to be sleazy.  It's a sleazy business.  I don't know Scott McInnis but he sounds a little sleazy to me, too.

The difference is that Udull's sleaziness prevents him from even liberal admiration.  When he's out campaigning he's not going to win over many a Republican.  Ritter won because he's a damn good guy and that was clear to even his ideological opponents.  Udull is a different story.  That's bad news for his campaign that has a ways to climb before it can hope to win this state.

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please
I thought it was little funny since I have had coffee with Mark. Except, catergorizing Udall as a sleaze in the same boat as Owens and McInnis is not funny.

Rep. Udall is someone you can sit down and talk with on any issue over a cup of joe. The first time I met Mark, we talked college basketball longer than anything else. Does Tancredo or McInnis know who is leading the NCAA college hoops?

Just making the point that being able to have a cup with someone is not that bad. I would rather vote for a principled liberal who talks to his constituency than a social or economical ideologue (Tancredo and McInnis fall into that catergory).

P.S. Mark is not from Boulder, so you are wrong twice.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

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DDHGLQ is the blogger formerly known as FFF....
....some of his phraseology gives it away.
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P.S. Clyde ALLRED is, IMHO, Dick Wadhams

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I'm amazed by this stuff
Hmm.  People on this blog seem to have a strange tendency to assign anonymous bloggers to names from among the very few political players in the state.  There are over four million people in Colorado; it is really so unlikely that one of them you've never heard of has ideas similar to what you expect from Dick Wadhams?  Not picking on anyone; this kind of speculation seems to happen all the time, and it confuses me each time.

"Apple denies that, based on their common meaning, the words 'app store' together denote a store for apps"
-- Legal filing by Apple Computer
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Hmmm...
I think "cdsmith" is actually Bill Ritter.
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Really Now. I would never be a Dick.

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Talking points?
What talking points is JDHGLQ going off of? It amazes me the liberals on this site how they want to always attack anyone who voices an opinion that is not straight from...well Dem talking points. In fact the irony is, it seems that as soon as anyone voices a conservative opionion liberals here immidatly attack and dismiss it as "righty talking points," but saying that is YOUR talking point.

Also, you need to lighten up and get a sense of humor, liberals sure can dish it out but can't stand being challenged, it's an amazing mentality.

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seems
In fact the irony is, it seems that as soon as anyone voices a conservative opionion liberals here immidatly attack and dismiss it as "righty talking points," but saying that is YOUR talking point.

"Seems" is the key word. You may not read this site all the time but conservatives who post smart opinions aren't accused of falling back on talking points. At least not by the smarter liberals here.

Dwyer may have used the wrong term in calling it a talking point, but DDHGQ, whoever he is, is doing some GOP dirty work in posting the name "Latte Mark" repeatedly here - someone on the right wants to paste a "Both Ways Bob" kind of label on Mark Udall. It may not be a talking point, but it sure isn't informed debate either.

Ah, informed debate. If this comment of yours is representative of your intellect, you may have trouble grasping that concept.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP

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Potted Plant? Both Ways Bob? Marilynn Muskrat?
Excuse me, but the left makes up names of their own.  The Both Ways moniker was so effective because, largely speaking, it was quite true.  Well, Mark Udall is a latte-sipping Boulder liberal.  So I will continue using Latte Mark because it does a fine job of communicating his San Francisco liberalism.
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I take offense at your comments
In case you are new to this site, I am a traditional Republican who feels abandoned by the party.  I think Bob Beauprez was a good individual, but not one that I was interested in having as Governor of this state -- predominantly because he would be controlled, and govern, as the powers-to-be would command, which would be disasterous for the future of this state....in my humble opinion.  I don't think Angie Paccione was "angry", in fact, quite the opposite.  In fact, I think the raiding of the federal treausury under the Congresswoman's past watch and the resulting federal debt (which is nothing more than a delayed tax) was a higher crime than any of Angie's financial woes. I'm fairly conservative, but I like latte's .  I also have had the opportunity to hear Congressman Udall speak as I have an old neighbor who now lives in his district.  Your characterization of him as a San Francisco liberal is revealing your inability to judge people on their merits issues.  A San Francisco liberal he is not.
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Morgy...
Lighten up.  I won't debate about Musgrave or Beauprez.  Beauprez would be a great governor--he just ran an absolutely hideous campaign.  Period.

About Latte Mark....

Have you seen his voting record?  Where does it differ with Pelosi?  He is the epitome of a Boulder or San Francisco liberal.  You can't argue with that.  I've heard him speak, too--and I was not impressed.

I really respect Ritter and John Salazar.  They are thoughtful and serious Democrats.  Latte Mark is a tired and dry liberal. 

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Boulder and San Francisco are bad?
Cities that have a high standard of living, are creative, are economic pumps for the larger economy?  That provide tax funds for those red states? 

Omaha and Amarillo should be so lucky.  Even my uber-consrvative ex-son-in-law's family made a business killing there and have never left.  (No pun intended.)

This is the kind of Republican, no Wingnut, cliches I've written against.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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Good guv, bad campaign?
Lessee, a man in charge of his own destiny does so many stupid things that he becomes a laughing stock and drives away many of his own party, but he would make a good governor?

Am I missing something?  He couldn't govern his team, why would we think he could govern a state.

More wingnut oxymoronic, not to overlook moronic, thinking.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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BWB
was a label made up by the right. Muskrat is primarily used by one person that I know of. Potted Plant is a recent development and means nothing given that he won't be running again.

Given all the stuff that seems to be representative of Colorado Springs conservativism (closeted ministers, thieving ministers, and this guy then Boulder and SF liberalism can only be superior as far as values are concerned.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP

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Plenty of Repubs drink lattes
Maybe not as many as libs, but hang out at the state capitol cafeteria and you'll see what I mean.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010
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wrong again my friend
You can thank Holtzman for the Both Ways Bob moniker.

And, Mark is not from Boulder.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

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Aristotle...
Thanks for being so enlightened...man you are soooo smart, if only I could have the intelect of you, and if everyone could just catch up, finally see the light and put you in charge the world would be so much better. You are so right man!

Also, thanks for making my point: number one, to criticize a poster of doing the "GOP dirty work" by posting assigning a politican a name intended to bring out a negative connotation is pretty weak, and hypicritical. Regardless of who invented it BWB, Potted Plant, Dullard, Muskrat as were mentioned are all intened to be negative. I don't see you acting above reproach and accusing them of carrying out the Dem's dirty work. It is insignificant who invented the term, Dems use it, that's fine but con't condem R's who do the same thing.

Second, you proved my point that Dems have no sense of humor, lighten up dude. Let's recap, DHGLQ makes a comment, Dywer accuses his tactics, I accuse his tactics and sense of humor, and enraged, you make a personal attack, to demostrate "informed debate," I'm sure. Lighten up man, life is too short. Thanks again for enlightening me with your superior intellect, it was such a pleasure you someone like you comment on my post!

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Anytime
I consider it my duty to shine a light for the uninformed. And pay close attention to my posts, as well as those of the other libs, before making blanket statements that earn you such trips to the woodshed.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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Thanks again
You are really the greatest. I wonder how you find so much time to blog on Coloradopols with all the great things you must be doing in the world.

Anyway, as you pointed out when I used the word "seems," which you criticized, was exactly not a blanket statement. Had I made a blanket statement I would have said all liberals are hypocritical and humorless. The latter is certainly not the case though, as you amuse me with the way you argue in circles the way you do, you silly, silly person. 

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Yep
I argue circles around chumps like you.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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Okay, I take it back
you're not a chump.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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Thanks
I hope name calling is not typical in your "informed debates." That is not very states-man like of you Aristotle...
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It isn't
but thank god I'm not a statesman, just a wise man ass.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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There are no Dem "Talking Points"
"Talking Points" is a concept that comes right out of Grover Norquist and Fox "News".  Organized, disseminated ways of spinning things.  Right wing Pravda. Weekly in the former, daily in the latter.

And the Dems?  Where is our source?  Reid? Pelosi? The DNC?  Don't make me laugh.  We are way to disorganized to do such a thing, and if we did, there would be those who would take exception and destroy the unity.

Ach tung! Dese are your truvs for today! 

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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Really...
http://speaker.house...  Nancy Pelosi's talking points are a start.

Look, talking points in general are not a bad thing, in fact talking points in general are pretty common in the real world, be it politics, business, education, military, when anyone is trying to covince others of a point they generally have talking points. This is not a new idea.

I don't know how you define talking points, but if you want to credit the concept of summing up a broad ideas into simple, managable slogans than go ahead i suppose.

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No...
Talking points means what the various people of public influence (like Bill O'Reilly who popularized it) give out debate points for their viewers and readers to use in debate forums such as this.

The reason they're lame is because an informed and thoughtful individual can debate without parroting these points. They can say generally the same thing but construct the arguments themselves. Those who repeat talking points show that they don't really think much about the issues - they have their opinions but they can't tell you why they feel that way.

That's the best case scenario - in the worst case a talking point parrot is a shill, a campaign or party staffer who is pretending to be an ordinary citizen and give the false impression of grassroots support for whatever they're talking about.

Those in power like Pelosi and Boehner and Bush don't use talking points, they use sound bites. But that's another topic.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP

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Does this meet your definition...
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sound bites
I'm not a Dem BTW

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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That's fine
But the original point was whether or not Dems have talking points.
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just adding clarification


"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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just adding clarification


"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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yeah, there are
There's a Progressive source called Mic Check, distributed by, I think the Center For American Progress; it goes out to radio talk show hosts on a regular basis...

There are also talking points occasionally put out by party leaders and the various party organizations.

The difference between Liberal/Progressive points and the ones so often heard on O'Lielly and Friends, is that the Dem-leaning points have good solid news sources backing them up, while the GOP-leaning points tend to have good solid White House lies and/or Drudge backing them up.

"We're below sharks and contract killers." -- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), speaking on Congress's 9% approval rating

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Lots of conservatives drink lattes
Of course those are urban conservatives who live in the 'burbs...

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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Soccer moms.

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lots of conservatives drink Koolaid

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They tell me it's delicious


"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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You're full of it.
"Latte Mark is no more moderate than Bob Schaffer.  Besides, he's sleazy."

Spin away.  Your content-free posts are like petals in the river.

No one says Schaffer's sleazy?  Did you just move to Colorado?

"But every Republican in the world is a lobbyist…" -- Bill O'Reilly

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How could they
ever say Bob Schaffer is sleazy?  One of the most honorable men I have ever met!  If Bob Schaffer is sleazy then Udall is a full on pimp and drug dealer!  We all know that neither is true!
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I have it on good word
that my Congresswoman desperately wants this seat, and that she is being courted heavily to do so by the out-of-state "family values" crowd if Senator Allard announces his retirement. 
No Way!
She stands less of a chance than Latte Mark, D-Boulder.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan
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Not so fast
I think he drinks Americano's, not Latte. If you are going to label him with a coffee drink, it should be the All Americano Representative Mark Udall for a better Colorado.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole
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Is her picture back up on the KKK website?

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The dream Senate primary
MM & TT both go for it opening up both seats - YES!!!!!

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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any chance we can get Lamborn to throw himself into the stew, too?

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Lamborn is out in 2 years anyways
In the Republican primary.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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No way...
He proved himself capable last year and that earned him a great deal of respect.  Had the Fawcenator come within 10 you can make a great argument for a primary.  But he won, he'll win again in 2008 and he'll become another GOP fixture in the Springs.  I'm a Jeff Crank guy but Lamborn's a winner.  Period.

I would have Jeff Crank move into the 7th CD and run there.  Or even think about governor or Senate down the road.  For now, he needs to leave Doug alone.

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Lamborn a winner?
If you heard Lamborn in any of the debates with Fawcett, you would never describe him as a "winner".  Someone who is way out of his league maybe - but "winner" does not come to mind.
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He's a winner...
Politically.  I am not impressed by the man but he did win that race by a whole lot more than anyone expected.  And if he can win by that much when he has a challenger I'd say he's very safe in that seat.  The GOP should stay away from him and let him win.
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I agree
The combination of Lamborn, Musgrave, Tancredo will provide a steady fuel to democratic volunteers, contributions, and motivation.
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Does any other state have such an embarrasing group?
A larger state may have a few more but does any other state send such a high percentage of wingnuts to Washington?

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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Idaho has at least one wacky wing nut who, like Lamborn, is a member of the Club for Growth alumni
  But I think you're right, we certainly pulled a "hat trick" with these three clowns!
  Utah, which has a reputation for being somewhat conservative (some might say more so than Colorado), sends someone like Orin Hatch who is at least a thoughtful and principled conservative.  You can disagree w/ his positions, but you can still respect him as a human being.
  You can't say that about Moe, Larry and Curly from Colo. C.D. 4, 5, and 6.
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Nationaly Speaking
The 100 hours have thus far provided some pretty steady fuel so far between Barbara Boxer's childless woman can't be good at foreign policy comment and Pelosi's exempting her hometown company from federal minimum wage standards.
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I'm as upset as you...
about that exemption for the Samoan Islands.  But I do need more info before a blanket condemnation.

As to nothing else happening, uh, isn't Faux "News" reporting bills on raising the minimum wage, allowing the gummint to negotiate Medicare drug prices, etc. getting on?

I'd say that her 100 hours goals is cruising along well.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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The Repugs are more upset

because the Northern Mariana Islands were not also exempted from the new minimum wage act recently passed by the USHR.

The Samoan Islands were supposedly exempted because the "Samoan tuna industry competing with South American and Asian canneries paying workers as little as 66 cents an hour."

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/08/AR2007010801641.html 

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I think you're missing the point
Of course the tuna industry in competing with cheaper foreign wages, so are textiles, computer, manufacturing, everything. What kind of precident is that to set?

Well, we should exempt the state of Michigan from a min wage increase because they make car parts cheaper in China? That is one of the main arguements in the minimum wage debate. But to exempt one territory, Samoa, has an economy that is run almost totally by the Tuna industry in Starkist, Starkist is owned by Del Monte, based in San Francisco, and apparently Pelosi's husband owns $17 M in stocks for Del Monte, is more than coincidental. There might be a good explaination for this but seems a little suspicious to me.

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"You! You shut up!"
The hallmark of a winner.  Yeah, right.

Anywhere other than CD5, Lambourn would never have been a contender.  And he was only because he ran a sleazy and dishonest campaign, as Heffley pointed out.

He is a jerk in every sense of the word.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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Huh?
Exactly who's respect did Lamborn earn? All he basically was scorch the earth, hang on to win, and allowed the most conservative district in America to need national support in order to keep it red. From what I hear he's pissed a lot of El Paso GOPers and it is a total mess. He may be respected at some point but he has a lot to prove.
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the C.D. 5 Republicans are going to try to re-create the same conditions that prevailed last August.......
by running all six candidates in Aug. '08, just to see if they all end up in the same finishing spots again....
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It could happen
Never underestimate the ability of self-interest to trump the common good.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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if there is a God.......
.....then She will instruct Musty to enter the Republican primary for the U.S. Senate!
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I'm with Les...
No way can Musgrave win statewide.  She's too polarizing and the press hates her.  The real conservative candidate that "the family values crowd" would like to see run is Bob Schaffer.  Schaffer is much less polarizing and he can articulate conservative values better than Beauprez or Allard or Coors could ever do.

Besides, Schaffer has a certain panache that Musgrave lacks.  I just hope that Mr. Opportunity (i.e. Scott McInnis) doesn't screw this all up by rushing to the forefront.

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As a Dem, Schaeffer is my fear!
He is the best chance for a Republican senate victory.  Against Udall, he could get some conservative Democratic votes, too.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010
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Yep.
The GOP's unnecessary downfall started with the whole Coors/Schaffer fiasco. That's when the party split.  The GOP--because of registration advantages and the ideological climate of the state--should win every election.  But when split the party is worthless.

Schaffer could be the uniter of a fractured party.  He could clinch the Republican vote and, like you said, peel away lots of Democratic votes in more rural areas.

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Tancredo for senate!


"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010
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What About?
And what about the split between moderates and conservatives?  Think that is settled by a Schaeffer candidacy?  No way.  We just all vote for Udall.  Ask Rockefeller Republican.
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You think moderate Republicans go for Latte Mark?
If Udall were a Ritter or Salazar you may--and its a big may--vote against the conservative.  But we'd have ourselves a real conservative against a real liberal.  Maybe the really squishy RINOs would go for the liberal--but I don't think the GOP counts on their votes anyway.  AND they are very small group in Colorado.

The libertarian John Caldara folks would swoon over Schaffer.  Schaffer is a Reagan conservative.  He'll unite the social conservatives and the libertarians.  Beauprez didn't win over the social conservative crowd and lost because of it.  Whomever can unite both Republican wings--libertarian and religious--they win Colorado.  Registration advantages plus our rightward bent guarantee that.

Bottom line: Schaffer unites the party and wins.  By more than you'd think.

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Reagan Republican?
All Hat no Cattle.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole
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keep in mind what Bob Schaffer did for, I mean TO, Ramey Johnson in '04.......
I can't wait to see the knives sticking out of everyones' backs at the end of the GOP love fest......
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Marilyn isn't stupid
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the above weren't posted by Guy Short himself.  Marilyn isn't even considered a player in this.  She could barely hang on to her Congressional Seat. 
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Do you have any proof of that?
What I've heard on the grapevine is that there really isn't much going on upstairs with her. And that is part of why she has this one issue and just works it to death - it's all she understands.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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I hate to bust your bubble
but I thank the good lord that I am not Guy Short.  I know people who know him,though.  I'm told he has no scruples and is capable of anything (except to be me).
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Guy Short...
Guy Short is a Great American. 

Mr. Short is an exceptional political mind, and genuinely a nice guy.

You clearly don't know him, FtMorganRepublican.

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I do.
And he's an ass.  Not saying he's not smart politically, but still an ass.
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No Chance
No chance musgrave runs, everything I've heard, (granted I don't know that much) says there is absolutly not chance of this. She may not be our best and brightest, but she's not that stupid, and even if she would, GOP voters state wide would't accept her.
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Muskrat Running Again?
Jesus Help us.

Laws not Men
Let's get a status check on my predictions.
Wadams to run for party chair - done
Allard annouces no go - done on Monday
Tancredo in Iowa - done
Tancredo set to announce - just days away
Wiens to run for CD 6 - set to happen
McInnis  working the phones furiously to round up support - done.
Everyone on the the McInnis bandwagon - done.

Not bad for a couple of weeks work.

I am forever, ALLRED.

getting a check on your ego may be a better use of your time
Your "predictions" have been discussed here for months.
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Agreed
His predictions are old news and attitude unsavory. And besides, he's actually wrong when it comes to Wiens and Schafffer. 
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What did he say about Schaffer?

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His Last Point
Implied activists were supporting McInnis over Schaffer.  That's just not true. Many would prefer Bob over Scott and say so openly.  Sure -- they'll likely work hard for Scott if he's the nominee -- but their hearts are with Bob (or so I hear). 
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Completely Agree...
This is the only post on this thread I agree with completely.

I've attended a number of political gatherings over the weekend, beginning with the Coffman dinner Friday (killer food), and amid all the talk about Wadhams, Allard and McInnis, there was only one topic shared by all... "What will Bob Schaffer do?"

I'm a bit curious myself.

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I'd work my butt off for Homeboy Bob...
I'd vote for McInnis but I'd spend my time with the presidential campaign.  Scott's alright but I agree with Schaffer on just about everything.
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OF Course
Of course is Allred is Wadhams, then all he is talking about is the big boys supporting McInnis because that's all  he knows or cares about.  I agree with you that Schaeffer is the favorite of the grassroots.  Frankly, pro-choice Scott McInnis doesn't even get on the ballot at the State Convention and has to petition on.  Sort of embarassing, but ask Benson, he knows it can be done.  The general is another story.  I say if McInnis is in the primary, he loses to Schaeffer, beats anyone else.  But the general rolls around, either loses to Udall.  In a McInnis candidacy, the right wing sits out the race and with Schaeffer, the moderates actually vote for Udall.  Either way, Udall wins.
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If McInnis is the nominee you're right.
But if, like you suggest, Schaffer wins the nomination he wins Colorado.  You sound like a moderate Republican, Craig.  And while there may be plenty of folks like you in the Republican party the truth is that very few of you would actually every vote for a liberal.  You might--but I think that would put you in the minority.

Schaffer is a compelling candidate who would win many many conservative Democrat and independent votes.  So that would make up for any squishy GOP votes he loses.

I think a Schaffer candidacy would put him as the favorite on the Big Line.  Tancredo, Suthers, Owens all lose.  Schaffer is gaining support fast and I think he'll be our next senator.

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Dangerous to predict two years out
Schaeffer could win Colorado with several improbable "ifs":  Bush somehow pulls it out of his ass and makes a reasonable facsimile of victory; Congress muffs it for the common man; and Ritter and our legislature muffs it. 

Since that's all pretty unlikely, the scenario will be: Whoever gets the Republican mantle will inherit Bush's horrible administration, such as Gore inherited Clinton's BJ, the Democratic congress will win over the hearts of many middle class people, and ditto for here in Colorado. 

Just as the last election was often more a referendum against the Pubs than for the Dems, if people are going to turn against the Dems, they have to have a reason.  If there isn't one, they will vote Dem.

But I do agree that Schaeffer is their best shot and will be stiff competition.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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hmmm.....not bad for a couple of weeks work
  Let's see...... Who in the last couple of weeks, besides Dicky Wadhams, signed on to help work for the Colo. state GOP?
  If you really are Dick Wadhams and if these pieces to the puzzle are actually falling into place as you are claiming, then you're off to a promising start as state chair.....
  But the game aint over yet.
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Clyde, you're right about all but the last...
I'm going to be reticent to get about the McInnis bandwagon.  To win he'll have to justify his social ideas--abortion, marriage, etc.  He voted solidly against the pro-choice crowd but he voted against the marriage amendment.  Personally, I can live with the latter and I'm pleased about the former.  But I'm afraid he'll look like a flip-flopper and lose a race he should win going away against a liberal Democrat.

The safe bet is with Bob Schaffer.  He'll win the primary and wipe out Latte Mark.

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Shaffer v Coors
Shaffer was pummeled by Coors in the primary just two years ago.  Coors was then soundly beaten by Salazar.  Colorado is now a centric-left state.  The days of a conservative, religous, wing-nut winning in a state-wide race are over.
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Do you really believe that?
That we are a center-left state?  Seriously?  Remember Referendum I?  How about Amendments 43 and 44?

Coors was beaten by Salazar, not because he was too conservative, but because Salazar positioned himself as more conservative than anti-death penalty, pro-gay Coors.  You can delude yourself--in fact I encourage it--but try to take a peak at the facts. 

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56% Bill Ritter (D) - 41% Bob Beauprez (R)
That's a 15% advantage.  The political fallout of the Bush, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld team will be felt for years.
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Ref. I yes 53% no 47%; Amend. 43 yes 55% no 45%; amend. 44 yes 40% no 60%; Bush/Cheney 53% Kerry/Edwards 47%
Bill Ritter ran as a pro-life, pro-business Democrat.  In fact, he'd be a Republican in every center-left state in America.  Bill Ritter ran into the perfect storm: anti-Republican sentiment, want for change, good candidate, terrible opponent, good campaign.

Ritter earned that 15 point gap.  And if it was really a shift to the left you would have seen Ref. I pass more easily, Lamborn and Musgrave would have lost, etc.  I think 2008 will provide a window on Colorado's conservative soul.

Just wait.

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Sorry, I flip-flopped the Ref. I yes and no...yes 47 no 53

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Your numbers prove the point
that Colorado is centrist (I wouldn't say right-centrist or left centrist, the rest of you can debate that) because the Ref I and marriage amendments show a pretty narrow spread on the issue. Since people's attitudes are continually shifting I think you'll see different results in the near future when this issue is revisited. Same with the 2004 presidential results - in truly conservative states Bush gave Kerry a much harder slap.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP
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Gay marriage will be legal within 10 years
The younger one is the more likely one is to support it. So every year opponets die of old age and supporters turn 18.

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the pro-gay Coors???
Pete Coors supported the Allard-Musgrave federal marriage amendment, Salazar opposed it during the campaign, and in fact voted against it on the Senate floor.
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Coors was also beaten by his own ignorance
The first round of debates had Pete mostly saying, "I don't know."  At least, how honest. 

On the other hand, all that Pete really had going for him was name recognition by beer drinkers.  Now, there's a demographic to crave! 

He had no political experience for what is arguably the second most coveted political job in the land. 

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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Go Back to Focus
You are just delusional if you think it was seen as Salazar being more conservative.  Wrong.  Please.  I'm the swing voter here and I knew exactly what was up.  So did the rest of us.  Coors is no liberal, didn't support gay stuff and who cares about the death penalty.  No way the right-wing voted for pro-choice Salazar. It's all about abortion, stupid.  Just ask DR. Dobson.
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Craig,
Give it a rest.  You squishy people love to exaggerate your influence in Colorado politics, don't you?  You think our political world rests on your shoulders.  It doesn't.  It's about money and boots and the moderats sit on their asses until the mail in ballot gets in.  The GOP could use a few less of you, IMO.

It's not just about abortion.  It's about war, marriage, taxes, and abortion.  The Salazar/Coors race wasn't about abortion--it was about personnality and temperment.  If you think Salazar won because he was pro-choice what do you say about Ritter, Owens, Allard, Musgrave, Lamborn, etc.  This state is moving dramatically pro-life--both Dems and Republicans--and it's leaving you in the dust.

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How do you arrive at that?
That we are moving "pro-life?"

A few candidate's wins or losses does not a survey make, too many other factors.

I think the American populace is fed up with the abortion issue.  For years, about 70% of Americans disapprove of abortion but don't believe that it is the government's business (a true conservative position.)  Whether you can philosophically live with that or not isn't the issue.  That's what most of us believe, and candidates expressing that have been way too few.

Ritter is one.  Many libs were horrified that he is anti-abortion, but finally stopped breathing hard long enough to understand that he isn't going to change the laws. 

Just as Schaeffer could get some conservative Dem votes, McInnis could get some Dem votes if we run a weak candidate. Another foam at the mouth Republican will not win Colorado.  Allard, despite all his boring flaws, was not one. Been there, done that, let's move on.


"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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Schaffer in a statewide race
would settle the debate once and for all.  Is Colorado a Red state that loses when they don't run "true" conservatives, or is it a purple/blue state that votes for Moderates from either party.

Discuss...

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Exactly! Exactly! Exactly!
You are so on the money!  I'm sure that Schaffer would have gave Salazar a thumpin' if the GOP wouldn't have stabbed him in the back. What voters--not just in Colorado--look for is somebody could can articulate the voter's values; someone about whom the voter can say, "Yeah!  That guy is one of us.  He believes the same things I believe.  He wants the same things for his family that I want for mine.  Exactly!" 

Pete Coors and Bob Beauprez were all over the map.  What, exactly, did they believe?  Bill Ritter stood for something that resonated with voters and that's why he won.  You can agree or disagree with Bob Schaffer (and I assume most here disagree) but he is able to articulate conservative values in a way that really speaks to what I believe to be the average Coloradan's conservative soul.  He is a good man and a talented politician and I think he would win. 

And yes! I think it would end this whole Colorado red or blue debate.  You'll have a true conservative against Latte Mark the liberal.  They will both run good campaigns so we can't blame bad campaigns like Beauprez's or Coors'.

Scott McInnis may be a moderate though he'll likely run as a conservative.  I think he'll screw it up like Beauprez did so I pray Schaffer gets into this think

Let's get ready to rumble. 

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I'm all about BOB!
I hope he runs!  Colorado R's recognize the errors of their ways!  Bob's a shoe in, and it would be a beautiful campaign season to watch with a Schaffer vs. Udall match up!
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What About That Other Bob?
Remember, Both Ways hasn't ruled out a run for the Senate. 
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Mucho Macho
Coloradoans love an authentic rugged candidate.  Beauprez in the barn ads did not pass the test.  Shaffer, like Lamborn, comes off as a bit squirrelly, nerdy, geeky.  In debates with Udall the "rugged" difference will be dramatic.
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Let's give Schaffer some credit......his nerdiness is more like Holtzy (or ROD) than Lamborn

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Let me give you an 'Amen'!
And please, it MUST be Latte Mark, D-Boulder form now on.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan
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Schaffer vs Udall would be really good
I won't say it settles once and for all what Colorado is - Colorado keeps changing. But it would be a great choice, a clear liberal vs a clear conservative.

And when Schaffer loses they can blame it on Bush/Iraq/etc and keep their fantasy that Colorado really wants to elect a Republican...

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Friend, if Udall wins--which I really can't see happening--I would concede once and for all that Colorado is going blue.
I would love--I mean LOVE--to see Latte Mark and geeky Bob go at it.  Oh my God would I love it!  What do you think are the chances that Schaffer makes it a go?
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NRSC & RNC
Both want it to be Schaffer who comes out of the bull-pin.  They seem to think McInnis would have problems building a grassroots network and firing up the conservatives, while Schaffer has a ready-made network.  Activists would be wise to keep their powder dry - wait for this thing to really evolve - and not get sold onto any one candidate too early (a la Mike Coffman in the governors race of '06). 
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From your mouth to God's ears Gx3

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Wrong on 2 Major Points -
and you're getting annoying.
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I got a prediction too...
I predict that either the Colts or Patriots will make it to the Super Bowl this year, and I predict that Valentine's day will be on February 14.
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I stated a week ago
that if indeed Wadhams ran for chair that was a sure indication that Allard is not running again.

Wadhams is and Allard isn't.

Wadhams would have gone directly to Allard's campaign if Allard had planned on running again.

now, having said that, I don't think there is any way in hell that Wadhams stays at the party - unless the paycheck is really big enough, and I cannot believe that it is.

A campaign salary for someone of Wadhams' stature is at least in the 10K-12k per month category.  Are the big boys really going to pony up that kind of money for a state chair/exec director?  If so, maybe he stays.  But my guess is he either ends up with Tancredo's Presidential rowboat, or whomever the likely R nominee is for Senate.  Still don't believe that is Scotty.

also as I said before....
Help me Rhonda, help help me Rhonda.
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There is no way....
Dick Wadhams hops aboard the sinking tugboat of Tancredo's nascent presidential run.  No way.  Wadhams could easily go over to Romney's campaign and have a very legit chance at becoming the next Rove.

I think whether he is state chair or campaign manager for Bob Schaffer he will be the statewide head for the GOP.  He will, make no mistake, run Schaffer's campaign from the state chair or he'll run the state party from Schaffer's campaign.  The Senate race will determine is Romney wins Colorado and it will determine downticket races--the state assembly will be on the line.

I find it curious that you don't think Scotty gets the nod.  Listen, from your mouth to God's ears, Roger.  But I'm afraid you're wrong.  McInnis is irresistable for the goobers who gave us Pete Coors.  But then again Wadhams is well known to campaign on values issues.  He goes straight for the base--which worked here in 2004 with the prez.  In that case he has no other option but Schaffer.  I've read some stuff which suggests that Schaffer will actually join with McInnis--he'll announce about the same time as Scotty.  I really do pray Bob runs because he's going to win this race if he wants it.

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From your mouth to God's ears...
Where did that saying come from?  What does it mean?
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In other words, "please may it be true"

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Romney doesn't have a prayer
Too many of the evangelical primary voters will not vote for a Mormon. I put this in the category of "live by the sword, die by the sword." A religous fundamentalist doesn't have a chance because of a strain of bigotry running through many of the religous fundamentalists.

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Mitt Romney and gays in the Boy Scouts
  Both Ways Mitt has another problem with his history on those pesky social issues:  he supported gays in the Boy Scouts back when he was on the executive committee of the BSA. 
  I'm certain that, like his 1994 letter to the Log Cabin Republicans promising to out do Ted Kennedy on gay and lesbian civil rights issues, he will recant his position about gays in the Boy Scouts, too. 
  You gotta wonder just how sincerely held this guy's positions really are.  Agree with him or not, Ronald Reagan at least sincerely believed the stuff he said.  Romney is like the anti-Reagan. 
  Actually, Mitt Romney has Richard Nixon-like qualities!
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Flip-Floppy Mitt Romney
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Please...
Give the man your ear before you go on the attack.  The media is tring to rip him apart because he's such a compelling candidate.  They know Giuliani doesn't have as good of a chance, McCain is hated by the right.  That leaves Romney and the media wants to paint him as a flip-flopper before he gets too big for his britches.

Did you listen to his podcast?  And if he's a flip-flopper who do you like?  McLame?

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What is in the water down there?
You really believe Romney would have a better chance in the general election than Giuliana? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Romney
It's awfully easy to paint someone as a flip-flopper when they have flip-flopped on every single issue.

For all your talk of finding a conservative Senate candidate, you are awfully quick to rally behind someone as liberal as Giuliani on social issues.

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Goobers
By the way, in case you haven't noticed, all of the "goobers who gave us Pete Coors" are now working for Mitt Romney.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

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Ideally,
I'd be going for Rick Santorum.  But he's not running and I'm not sure he could win.  Mitt Romney could win.  Besides, I really do believe his conversion is genuine.  I couldn't believe that about Beauprez.  Believe me, if I didn't think Romney was a true conservative I wouldn't be supporting him.
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McInnis . . .
He's got some significant weaknesses in his background and personality - I've seen him lose control in a candidate debate in front of an audience, and really act inappropriately toward an opponent. 
Just announced---Allard is calling it quits!!!!
Go Bob Schaffer Go!!!
Just saw it on Channel 7.
So I guess it is official. I'm with DDhGlq! Go Schaffer Go!
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I haven't been this excited about an election and a candidacy for quite a while....
I was first pretty pumped about Beauprez's run for guv, but when he started going anti-immigrant it turned me off.  I think I'm going to go call Schaffer's office.

Go Homeboy Bob Go!!!

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