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In 1893, Colorado was the first state in the nation to give women the right to vote at the ballot box.

Try again. Hint: It was almost 30 years earlier than that.

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by: Libertad 2.0 @ Fri Aug 06, 2010 at 21:11:55 PM UTC

And Wyoming was the first state to grant women the right to vote.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

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by: Ralphie @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 00:37:18 AM UTC

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You must read Texas history

http://www.heritageaspen.org/w...

Women gained the right to vote through a Constitutional amendment passed by the people of Colorado during a general election on November 7, 1893. As reported in the Aspen Daily Times on November 9, 1893, "Colorado passes Women's suffrage by several thousand votes."

Yo quiero gobierno medio!

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by: JeffcoBlue @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 01:52:58 AM UTC

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And

I don't think they were arguing women's suffrage during the Civil War.

Yo quiero gobierno medio!

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by: JeffcoBlue @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 01:53:37 AM UTC

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Actually, the quote is technically right.

In 1893, Colorado was the first state in the nation to give women the right to vote at the ballot box.  

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by: Voyageur @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 03:00:16 AM UTC

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That filed too soon. I meant to add

Wyoming was the first territory to give Women the right to vote, in 1869, as Libby correctly noted.  But it was a territory, not a state, when it did so.  Interestingly, it also [provided for women to be paid the same as men for equal work...a concept very much ahead of its time.  
 When Wyoming became a state in 1890, it thus became the first state to allow women the right to vote.  But Colorado was important because it was the first state, ACTING AS A STATE, to give women the right to vote.  Because it had been 24 years since Wyoming's action and because no state -- as distinct from the Wyoming territory -- had ever awarded the vote to women, Colorado's action greatly encouraged suffragettes.  

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by: Voyageur @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 03:09:36 AM UTC

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Speaking of those issues,

some clarification would be helpful. When people talk about eliminating or reducing the U.S. Dept. of Education, that doesn't make them anti-education. They just want education to be controlled locally rather than nationally. I think this makes sense for several reasons. For one, it prevents propaganda being pushed through the educational system by either side. Also, if different states or locales lean different ways, we have more diversity of ideas, which is a good thing for America. Somebody may come up with a solution to a problem that is outside the mainstream of thought but turns out to be very useful.

On the personhood amendment, we might as well just admit it's a pro-life amendment. Despite the feigned outrage, that's all it would affect. No, unborn babies would not become property owners, etc. Your view on this one just depends on whether you are pro-life or pro-death (*sigh*, pro-choice).

Finally, Norton is certainly beholden to corporate interests (just look at her donor list), but I don't know how you can say the same about Buck. Most of his donations come from individual Coloradoans. I guess some employees of Hensel-Phelps helped him get his campaign started, since he used to work there, but that hardly compares. Having loyalties to one local Colorado business (a former employer) is a far cry from owing allegiance to all of the big oil, medical, banking, and lobbying companies in D.C.

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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by: bjwilson83 @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 00:29:08 AM UTC

All fair points

But come Wednesday I can't admit that because we'll be in the general election :)

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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by: DavidThi808 @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 02:45:51 AM UTC

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Lol

You want to vote for Buck and you know it. :)

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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by: bjwilson83 @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 06:56:07 AM UTC

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In your dreams

I like the fact that Buck gives real answers to questions and doesn't change his answer based on who's asking. But those answers he gives... I generally (not always) fall on the other side of them.

Ken Buck is a thoughtful, intelligent, straightforward guy - that we must defeat.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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by: DavidThi808 @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 14:14:04 PM UTC

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You know, David, I find myself in a lot of agreement with you.

This could be the start of a beautiful friendship.

 For politics, geezers are golden.
by: BlueCat @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 19:19:14 PM MDT

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by: dwyer @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 16:32:02 PM UTC

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Department of Education

"Coloradoans" is so old school.  "Coloradans" is the newfangled way of expressing our oneness.  The Google says so.  I'd vote for keeping the Department of Education.  Just sayin'.

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by: BlueSkies @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 03:54:32 AM UTC

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Personhood

I have to disagree that one's view on the personhood amendment "just" depends on whether you support or oppose a woman's right to choose.

That amendment is the most extreme anti-choice position one could possibly take. It would flat-out prohibit abortion in cases of rape or incest, and would even create ethical issues if the life of the mother were at stake.

(And for that matter, why wouldn't unborn babies, zygotes, etc. have the same rights as minor children? Minor children can be bequeathed property: why couldn't a fertilized egg under this amendment?)

It is an incredibly extreme, doctrinaire, almost taliban-like position, which explains why it was shot down by an astounding three-quarters "no" vote the last time around. It's bizarre that both Norton and Buck support it.

"Why not do the right thing for the American people, even though it's not exactly what we want." - Speaker Boehner

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by: Half Glass Full @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 05:29:41 AM UTC

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I wonder how many Republicans voted for it? n/t

"...energy shouldn't be in the market." - Aristotle

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by: bjwilson83 @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 06:59:34 AM UTC

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Can we deduct zygotes on our taxes?

If so, I see every couple putting a thousand fertilized eggs on ice to avoid taxes.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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by: DavidThi808 @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 14:15:44 PM UTC

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Not the REAL religious zealots

Because after all, what eventually happens to those fertilized eggs?

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

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by: Ralphie @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 15:45:41 PM UTC

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Like that local control of education in Texas?

Yeah, now there's a diverse thinking crowd.

The reason we benefit from a federal education agency is uniformity of achievement.  Any kid in almost any country in the advanced world can move from jurisdiction to jurisdiction without finding completely different programs and achievement levels.

The DOE also acts as sort of a clearing house of education ideas, what works and what doesn't.

Is the DOE the most important agency?  Not by a long shot?  Does it contribute to the betterment of our nation?  Definitely.

(And it's not like the DOE is going to come in in their black helicopters and take over local boards, which is your implication.)

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

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by: parsingreality @ Sun Aug 08, 2010 at 18:06:21 PM UTC

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High Heels and Bull S*^t

you get the idea, not exactly the stuff upon which to base your Ph.D. thesis - or your vote.

I beg to differ:

Even now, there are Ph.Ds. candidates up in Boulder tearing up their dissertation outline on "Traditional voting patterns in rural Colorado up to but not including  1916" and gleefully writing up a whole new proposal "High Heels and Bull S&^"...The psychological impact of cognitive dissonance among Republican cohorts in non-urban Colorado."  god to be 24 again.....or in Boulder now that election season is here....

 For politics, geezers are golden.
by: BlueCat @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 19:19:14 PM MDT

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by: dwyer @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 11:12:43 AM UTC

So what if Buck did wear high hells ?

Much like J. Edgar Hoover was reported to do?

Now that would be interedting.  

It's only class warfare if you fight back

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by: allyncooper @ Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 13:05:18 PM UTC