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Romanoff Supporters' Fact-Free Robocall

by: Colorado Pols

Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 17:02:39 PM MDT



Can't see the audio player? Click here.

This is the automated call going out to registered Democrats across the state against Sen. Michael Bennet on behalf of Andrew Romanoff, from a group calling itself "New Leadership in Colorado"--who wants you to know that they're "not one of those shady groups calling you."

But they are attacking Bennet for "voting to give a bailout" to "big banks who wrecked our economy."

It shouldn't even be necessary to note that this robocall is telling a bald-faced lie--Michael Bennet wasn't even in the Senate when the "big bank bailouts" passed in late 2008. But it's clear enough that being factual, or even remotely close to factual, is not the goal of this robocall--because robocalls are considered to be an under-the-radar way of planting messages with voters you don't necessarily want to claim as your own, that all makes sense.

According to the Colorado Statesman, writing last week about other negative radio ads that suddenly cropped up against Bennet, "New Leadership in Colorado" is a 527 run by a former AFL-CIO chief of staff named Debbie Wamsley. Who, evidently, is totally cool with lying to you if it makes you more likely to vote against Michael Bennet.
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Romanoff Supporters' Fact-Free Robocall | 139 comments
Here they come
I am eagerly waiting for the shills to swarm on this one.
Mean people suck.
Debbie Wamsley sucks more.

Buck Stops Here.
[ Parent ]
Aren't there any slander-libel laws on the books
that apply to campaigns?

Buck Stops Here.
[ Parent ]
Not so much
The courts have held that political speech is the highest expression of the First Amendment.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
[ Parent ]
People wonder why labor has lost support in this state
Even among Democrats.

Because they make that money on the backs of minimum wage workers and spend it on intrapartisan warfare, rather on the real enemy. Instead of telling lies about Michael Bennet, maybe they'd have more support if they said "the Buck stops here" and focused their resources where they count.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy


[ Parent ]
this:
People wonder why labor has lost support in this state

Labor is still here and voting and active
and in this case - the Teachers are against Bennet for his actions at DPS:



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Good people need to stand up and be counted
The crap that Romanoff and his groups are pulling at the end of this important race is truly sickening.

Good people need to stand up, call these false attacks by their name, and be counted.  We cannot have an "appalling silence of the good people" in response to the drumbeat of falsehoods being spewn by Romanoff and his supporters.

This robocall is bullshit


Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
[ Parent ]
Good start
How about the Romanoff-approved ads that are also bullshit?
[ Parent ]
Romanoff's ads are accurate
sorry if you don't like them.  That's the subject matter for another diary though.  At least we can all agree that these robocalls -- not done by Romanoff -- are factually wrong.  Can't you just let us all get along for 12 seconds?

Sorry Michael Bennet, but I'm a real person too
[ Parent ]
these are not Romanoff's
ads - this is some 527 - I wonder if/when
Bennet will hit back.
[ Parent ]
yeah and he'll probably blame Romanoff
for robocalls that aren't his.  Kind of like when they blamed Romanoff for push polls that were actually done by the Bennet campaign -- "would you be less likely to vote for Andrew Romanoff if you knew he tried to privatize social security or if you knew he stole babies in the middle of the night like gypsies do?"

Sorry Michael Bennet, but I'm a real person too
[ Parent ]
linky?
Ha ha, just kidding.  Asking you to actually back up a claim is akin to asking BJ for logic.  

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
Ya, what can a candidate do when the robot call or addis from a 527?
And, the information is misleading.  I will give you an example...and I think it is from the New leadership et. al....

They claim that Bennet voted against a $250 cost of living increase for seniors on social security.  That is very misleading and is confusing seniors I know who think that they were entitled to a $250 A MONTH increase in their social security which Bennet voted against.   What it was was a $250 ONE TIME benefit to eligible seniors to help with drug costs BECAUSE there was NO cost of living increase for monthly checks because the cost of living did not go up.

Maybe this came from a 527 supporting Romanoff...maybe not....maybe from a 527 supporting ANY republican candidate?  Who knows?

 For politics, geezers are golden.
by: BlueCat @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 19:19:14 PM MDT

[ Parent ]
It's not misleading, dwyer
It's FALSE.  The amendment that Bennet voted against wasn't a COLA.  To say that it was is a false statement.

Romanoff needs to man up and denounce these ads.

My prediction? He won't.  Romanoff swears off special interest money, the special interests donate to the 527, and Romanoff gets the benefit without getting his hands dirty.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

[ Parent ]
@ dwyer what can AR do?
He can repudiate the calls- acknowledge that they are factually incorrect and he would never say that.
[ Parent ]
Did you mean refudiate?
Sorry, I couldn't help it...

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
that too- though I'd recommend more lube

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BS, Wade - this is your boy Andy
The first appearance of "New Leadership in Colorado was days ago when they put up a radio ad and a webpage attacking Bennet on social security -- the same exact day Romanoff blasted out an email attacking Bennet on social security.

I suppose you can deny it's a Romanoff front group all you want, just as David Vitter can deny Obama's citizenship.

AraraGOP said Romney will win the nomination and "I don't see how he can survive the next year of withering attacks."

[ Parent ]
There's a special place in Hell for people with no integrity, Wade.
Bring some ice. You and Andy and Stryker are going to need some.

Buck Stops Here.
[ Parent ]
no integrity eh?
   pot meet kettle
from your diary last week:
http://www.coloradopols.com/di...

 

Romanoff And The Balloon Boy?
   by: peacemonger
   Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 01:59:27 AM MDT
   Senate candidate Andrew Romanoff, in a desperate media grab, will loan his campaign $325,000

but yesterday - less than a week later
in response to the diary

   Bennet loans campaign $300,000
you said
http://www.coloradopols.com/sh...
 

Wow, must be a slow news day.
   Yawwwn.
   No time for haters.
   by: peacemonger @ Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 11:15:52 AM MDT

So you Trash Andrew Romanoff for his 'desperate media grab', but when Bennet does the exact same thing, you have nothing to say?

your hypocrisy is hard to believe.

[ Parent ]
Bennet is not playing sympathies on the back of helpless people.
For those of us who actually care about homelessness, Andrew's pretending to be homeless is a disgrace, right up there with Bush landing on an aircraft carrier sporting a suit. FAKE. Disengenuous. Dishonest. Disgusting.

Buck Stops Here.
[ Parent ]
Romanoff's ads are not accurate
We've already counted one bald faced lie for sure- all the reasonable people here, even some AR supporters agreed.

[ Parent ]
@David: Your candidate is bullshit too.
Yet you said you'd vote for him anyway.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno
[ Parent ]
Gee, way to keep the discussion professional
To use your terminology, your candidate's actions on the banks are bullshit. I'll take bullshit in a campaign over bullshit hosing the economy.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
[ Parent ]
I'm only professional when I'm being paid
And I'm not, so I retain my amateur status in this campaign.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno
[ Parent ]
So you are willing to put in a candidate
that easily lies through his teeth?

No thanks, I'd rather have just about any Republican.

Buck Stops Here.

[ Parent ]
Yep - I happily voted for Bill Clinton - twice.


Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
[ Parent ]
Just out of curiosity David
What did you think your hope of "bloody"ing Bennet would entail?

Here's you back in January:

I'm hoping he sticks with the Senate race to bloody Bennet's nose and give him some experience in how to campaign.

[ Parent ]
Definitely not this
It's starting to look like Bennet has a glass jaw when it comes to campaigning. Better to learn now than in the general, but if Bennet wins the primary I'm very worried about the general.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
[ Parent ]
Again
BOTW said exactly what I was thinking. (Wonder if we are related and mixed up at the hospital when we were born?)

Buck Stops Here.
[ Parent ]
When is Bennet going to respond effectively?????
I'll agree that this robocall is bullshit. But Bennet will face this in the general too if he wins. Is he going to fight back effectively? So far his response has been weak (including the counter ad he put out today).

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
David, when are you going to respond?
As I just wrote in response to another message you just submitted, when are you going to be counted?

You are a good smart person and as a Romanoff supporter you should be standing up and denouncing the kind of crap that Romanoff is pulling here in the closing days of an extremely important election year for Democrats.  This is not the right way to run a campaign.  It is not the right way to win an election.  It is not good for Democrats.  And, most of all, it is complete falsehood after falsehood.  It is beneath Andrew Romanoff and it is beneath any good, smart honest person.

You are right that the Bennet campaign needs to push back in every way possible.  But I am at the point where I expect good smart people like you and others of good will who support Romanoff for valid reasons to stand up and publicly denounce what this has become and say "enough"?  Where is Cary Kennedy? Where is Ken Gordon?  Where are all the other good and decent folks who support Romanoff but cannot possibly support what is going on?

[ Parent ]
I've responded twice here saying the robocall is bullshit
If you give me your phone number I'd be happy to call you and repeat. Otherwise I don't know what else you want...

But in the meantime, it's not the job of others to protect Michael Bennet. He's not a hothouse orchid. It is his job and his responsibility to campaign effectively. If he's the one holding the campaign back, someone needs to sit down and talk with him directly. If it's his campaign team, he needs to kick some ass.

The Bennet team response is embarrassingly bad. I feel bad for them, and I support Romanoff. They need to get it in gear.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

[ Parent ]
I understand you now
My perspective is that it is not a matter of "protecting Michael Bennet."  It's a matter of telling the truth and rejecting the lies.

A contrary perspective seems to amount to saying "Gosh, Michael Bennet is really taking it in the chops by all the lies my guy and his supporters are telling, I sure hope he can respond effectively!!! :).

That seems tantamount to approving of this crap.

[ Parent ]
Yup


Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
[ Parent ]
+2

[ Parent ]
+#
(that's what happens when you try to all-cap a number, folks, in case you're really pissed and want to try it.)

From Washington to Wall Street, we now have too many 5-watt bulbs sitting in 100-watt sockets.--Jim Hightower
[ Parent ]
no question there's blood on the nose now.
And as we all recall, DT thinks that's one of the  good things about a primary: the eventual winner is bloodied enough to make him a better candidate in the general.

I say it just makes him bloodier.

[ Parent ]
I respect you, David
I don't understand your thought process over the summer but I respect you.

judge elected officials by their actions, not by their rhetoric
[ Parent ]
Same here, Ray and Dave
And it's getting so I just can't wait for this disgusting primary to be over. Sick of us making the same arguments over and over ad nauseam.  We won't convince Dave.  He and Wade certainly won't convince us.  I'm done arguing. Not done working for Bennet, though.  More urgent now than ever.

If Romanoff wins the primary he will never get the money he needs to win. He's going to take us all down with him in his cataclysmic hissy fit if Bennet can't take him down first and that's a fact .  Dropped off a friends ballot at Prince St. today and the box was stuffed.  Since good turn out should work for Bennet that cheered me up a little.  Don't feel the need to go over the same ground another fifty times here. I'm done participating in the Bennet/Romanoff debate until the at least the 11th. At least at this site!

[ Parent ]
Recommendations?
I'd actually be interested in what specifically you'd consider an effective response by the Bennet campaign?  
[ Parent ]
I actually emailed the Bennet campaign earlier today
I still support Romanoff but I did offer some help. No reply...

So I guess they have everything under control :)

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

[ Parent ]
Come on, David, that's an absurd argument
Whether or not ads like this will happen in the General Election has nothing to do with whether they are okay to run now. That's like saying it's okay to punch someone in the face because you are helping them gain experience in case they get punched some other day.  
[ Parent ]
I agree it's bullshit
I agree it's bullshit!

I agree it's bullshit!

I agree it's bullshit!

I agree it's bullshit!

I agree it's bullshit!

I said that in the comment you responded to. But Bennet needs to respond. All you Bennet supporters are sitting around crying that it's unfair and wrong. I agree. Now pull up your big girl panties and fight back!

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

[ Parent ]
Republicans rationalize disgrace
My side does not. What is your excuse, Dave?
[ Parent ]
My goal is what's best for the country
Not what's best for Romanoff or Bennet. Not what's best for the Democratic party. What's best for the country.

LBJ stole most of his elections. He cheated on his wife. He was horrible towards those that worked for him. Not a nice person.

But he did more for civil rights than any president except Lincoln. His Great Society program did more for the poor than any president since FDR. He was good for the country.

Saying Romanoff is mean to Bennet and therefore we should vote for Bennet - I'm sorry but politics is a contact sport and we need a Senator who will do what it takes to solve the problems we face.

That may be why Bennet has been ineffective in D.C., he's too nice a guy. That speaks well of him as a human being, but not as a Senator.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

[ Parent ]
The reason Bennet has been effective
is his ability to work with others.

THe "same old same old" is draw the line down the aisle and fight over everything.  It leads to a Senate in paralysis.  

I agree we need someone who can lead on the tough problems- and that includes voting on bills with more consideration than just "oppose the R's"

[ Parent ]
Sounds like both candidates to me
Though I wonder how much convincing Bennet needs on some issues.

"We're below sharks and contract killers." -- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), speaking on Congress's 9% approval rating
[ Parent ]
What would you suggest?
Hey - Romanoff has (insert bald faced lie here )!!!

And he probably (insert wild speculation and bs here)

And so on....

See - over the top negative campaigning works for a lot of reasons. The only way to counter it effectively is with other, new, more overly the top bs of your own.

Just pushing back with " it's all false" is not usually perceived as effective.

[ Parent ]
I Happen To Agree With The Bold Face Stuff n/t


From Washington to Wall Street, we now have too many 5-watt bulbs sitting in 100-watt sockets.--Jim Hightower
[ Parent ]
And what would Colorado Pols have Andrew do?
It's not AR's responsibility to make a statement against these calls.  Hell I wish I had the guts to do what they did on some of Bennet's votes against his constituents and in favor of Wall Street, like cram-down and the Brown/Kaufman amendment. What makes you think Bennet will be any different if he is elected?

And his pathetic attempt at copying AR with a loan to his campaign is just, well, pathetic.  He doesn't need the money given the size of his Wall Street funded wallet.  He doesn't need a loan he needs a new campaign manager but it's too late isn't it?  The calls are hurting him because he has not made an effort to listen to seniors or the poor or the unemployed or smaller districts.  He snubbed his nose at most of us regular folks and now he is in the tank because of it. I think he should drop out and stop embarrassing himself and the Democratic Party.

[ Parent ]
Yeah, actually, I think he does
If Romanoff wants to prove, at this late date, that he's the better candidate, denouncing these ads would be a good thing for him to do.  Just a press release would be sufficient.

"We're below sharks and contract killers." -- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), speaking on Congress's 9% approval rating
[ Parent ]
Classic "blame the victim".
Do you blame women for wanting to be raped, too?

Do you blame the animals in the sea for the BP spill?

Do you blame Obama for racist bigots threatening to kill him?

Did you blame Jews for being slautered by the millions in the Holocaust?

Where does justifying unethical behavior end?  

Buck Stops Here.

[ Parent ]
Amen!
These are excellent examples of the mentality of David Thi and others right now.

For the record, I very recently met Peacemonger for the first time.  Even before meeting him and talking, I agreed with everything he said.  But now that I know more, I'm proud to stand with Peacemonger.

[ Parent ]
No I don't
But I do want a Senator who will fight back.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
[ Parent ]
I don't know about the other things
But the walruses and sea otters in the gulf are most definitely the ones who caused the BP oil spill.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
[ Parent ]
Why David?
if he fights back you don't have to feel so guilty for helping someone with ZERO  integrity win this election?  

Buck Stops Here.
[ Parent ]
Romanoff has a ton of integrity
He's hitting your guy hard. That's upsetting to you. I understand that. That does not imply a lack of integrity on Romanoff's part. With that said, I will agree Romanoff is not perfect.

But neither is Bennet. Yet I don't say he has no integrity just because he said one thing on the banks and voted the other way.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

[ Parent ]
You mean AR2.0, right?
Cause I gotta wonder - WWAR3.0D?

Except now, even 2.0 says PAC money is ok as long as it's filtered through an outside 3rd party.

[ Parent ]
Can you blame the candidate for the actions of 527s?
If the candidate makes a comment either way on a 527's ad, isn't that collusion?

If yes, then how can we argue the "Romanoff and his groups" point?

If the candidate makes a comment either way on a 527's ad, isn't that collusion?
No, and it's ridiculous to claim such a thing.

That's like saying he doesn't have the right to comment on the sky being blue.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy


[ Parent ]
After The Fact? No n/t


From Washington to Wall Street, we now have too many 5-watt bulbs sitting in 100-watt sockets.--Jim Hightower
[ Parent ]
If the candidate doesn't speak out against it,
I don't care if it is legally collusion. It makes him morally unqualified for office, in my book.

Buck Stops Here.
[ Parent ]
How about "Pols fact free diary"
Starting with the headline "Romanoff's fact-free robocall."  You say that it's "New Leadership in Colorado" except that your headline wants people to think it's the Romanoff campaign putting these out.

Then you have "on behalf of Andrew Romanoff."  Oh really?

Pols I could almost have agreed with you for a minute.  A lying ad is a lying ad and this should stop.  That said, you lying about where it's coming from is just as bad.

Sorry Michael Bennet, but I'm a real person too

Nah - CPols distortion isn't a bad as the Robocall's falsehood, since
it reaches a far smaller audience, of insiders at that.

But their distortion in calling it "Romanoff's" call is just as willful - and par for CPols' extremely biased course.

The call itself is nonsense and indefensible of course. Did Bennet cast the vote while he was DPS Super?

I sure hope all of Colorado's Dems wake up next Wedensday morning and sign kumbaya together, but it'll be a ragged chorus won't it?

As for CPols, what are you guys going to do in your General Election 'coverage' if Andrew wins?

Flail him as hard as you've done over the past several months? Or cave, sing his praises - then turn your ire on the R nominee?

Should be interesting to watch it all unfold....

"The graveyards of the world are filled with indispensable men."
- Charles deGaulle

"It's hard to balance on a woman's head."  - sxp151

[ Parent ]
If you lie on a state blog
and only bloggers are around to hear it...does the lie stink as much?

Sorry Michael Bennet, but I'm a real person too
[ Parent ]
Don't think so - it's a limited, and somewhat inbred, audience after all ha-ha!


"The graveyards of the world are filled with indispensable men."
- Charles deGaulle

"It's hard to balance on a woman's head."  - sxp151

[ Parent ]
Leave My Cousin Out Of This! n/t


From Washington to Wall Street, we now have too many 5-watt bulbs sitting in 100-watt sockets.--Jim Hightower
[ Parent ]
We will need to sing kumbaya thanks to choir boy...
....Andrew Romanoff. Really quite despicable what he has hatched.
[ Parent ]
Um look up
If you notice it correctly states "Romanoff Supporters' Fact-Free Robocall"

Though a shill, even you have to be disappointed that 527s think that this is needed to get your candidate elected.

Romanoff has nothing to do with this... but he can easily stand up and say "OK... enough is enough. Bennet is a good democrat who has worked hard in the Senate. I think I can do a better job, and here is why but these lies have to stop. I don't know who is doing this but you don't represent me or what I believe in." That is no collusion that is common decency.

[ Parent ]
that wasn't the original title
the original was "Romanoff's"

I do applaud pols for at least a shallow attempt at not looking like they are just trying to attack Romanoff, but a more accurate title would be "Fact-Free robocall against Bennet," unless of course you have any actual facts linking them to Romanoff.

Sorry Michael Bennet, but I'm a real person too

[ Parent ]
You are right I stand corrected

[ Parent ]
don't think you saw the CPols headline as originally posted


"The graveyards of the world are filled with indispensable men."
- Charles deGaulle

"It's hard to balance on a woman's head."  - sxp151

[ Parent ]
Still think it is sad.
The Andrew Romanoff I met several years ago would never have put up with these lies. He in fact stood up for my candidate when this sort of stuff was happening. But when it is his campaign he is strangely silent.

The even more sad part is that I live in Washington and have no chips in this game, and yet I am getting pissed. This is the primary save it for those who are even better at stretching the truth. Karl Rove would be so proud of the way that AR and his supporters are campaigning right now.

[ Parent ]
I sure Andrew will denounce these bald-faced lies.
Probably on Aug. 12.
[ Parent ]
Absolutely!
He has 100% lied to the Democratic Party of Colorado. He said he would run an issues based positive campaign. If he does win he has caused a lot of f---ing collateral damage.
[ Parent ]
I don't disagree with you - and I find myself living in Florida
temporarily and (maybe) having to vote for Charlie Crist just to keep Rubio out of the U.S. Senate.

Politics really IS a matter of  compromise at the end of the day.....

Take care.

"The graveyards of the world are filled with indispensable men."
- Charles deGaulle

"It's hard to balance on a woman's head."  - sxp151

[ Parent ]
Ditto. Where are you?
I'm in Sarasota.

I hope temporarily, but like Gilligan's "3 hour tour, a 3 hour tour" my six months is now at almost 3 years.

I agree.  Far better a Crist than a Rubio.  It's sad that Dem Kendrick Meek has put so much work into this campaign only to be overshadowed by Charlie. OTOH, he never really laid groundwork all over the state like he should have in the last few years.  Known in Miami, only known now because of the race.  

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

[ Parent ]
Lauderdale


"The graveyards of the world are filled with indispensable men."
- Charles deGaulle

"It's hard to balance on a woman's head."  - sxp151

[ Parent ]
It's says "Romanoff's supporters' "
No exaggeration. No misleading.

If you think it reflects badly on your candidate when his supporters  are full of shit, well..... I agree.

[ Parent ]
And Colorado Pols what about the odds to the side
Come on 25 to 1 sounds like it belongs by Bennet's name.  You're getting desperate, as desperate as Michael Bennet.  
[ Parent ]
well, I listened to the recording. Nothing false,
.
if I can stretch the meaning of the word "Bailout" to include bailing Wall Street investment firms out of having to face more stringent regulation.  
The so-called "Financial Reform" legislation did nothing of the sort; Michael Bennet saw to that.
.
Nice try, but that's a stretch too far.....
in common parlance, the term 'bailout' has been used to refer to the autumn 2008 votes to save the 'too big to fail' banks.

The robocall call is nonsense plain and simple, don't try to dress it up.  

"The graveyards of the world are filled with indispensable men."
- Charles deGaulle

"It's hard to balance on a woman's head."  - sxp151

[ Parent ]
I think YOU supported a bailout...
... by supporting the bailout of Tom Tancredo, by which I mean supporting the special deviation from party procedure that your party allowed just to bail out Tancredo for failing to run in time for a primary. Wow, this is fun -- if you just want to be enough of a shit-peddler, you can call anything a "bailout"!

AraraGOP said Romney will win the nomination and "I don't see how he can survive the next year of withering attacks."
[ Parent ]
Oh, Please...
Barron, don't say something that silly. "Bank bailout" has always meant the Bush/Paulson bailout, and you know it. The Financial Reform has been widely decried as too easy on the banks, but it's never gotten seriously tagged as a "bailout."

From Washington to Wall Street, we now have too many 5-watt bulbs sitting in 100-watt sockets.--Jim Hightower
[ Parent ]
Kudos to CPols
for amending what was an extremely misleading and flagrantly biased headline.

"The graveyards of the world are filled with indispensable men."
- Charles deGaulle

"It's hard to balance on a woman's head."  - sxp151

You seem awfully concerned about Pols' "bias"
Work the refs much?
[ Parent ]
I'm a Bennet supporter, numbnuts


"The graveyards of the world are filled with indispensable men."
- Charles deGaulle

"It's hard to balance on a woman's head."  - sxp151

[ Parent ]
The only evidence you have for that
Is saying so. All the good trolls do.
[ Parent ]
apologies, I broke my earlier vow to respond to you on a
one-time only basis.

i allowed your rank ignorance to get under my skin, it won't happen again.  

"The graveyards of the world are filled with indispensable men."
- Charles deGaulle

"It's hard to balance on a woman's head."  - sxp151

[ Parent ]
And All The Evil Trolls Support Romanoff? n/t


From Washington to Wall Street, we now have too many 5-watt bulbs sitting in 100-watt sockets.--Jim Hightower
[ Parent ]
Well, yeah...
Everyone knows that Good Trolls support Bennet, and Evil Trolls support Romanoff.  Of course, both are mean-tempered and quick to degenerate into random shouting.

"We're below sharks and contract killers." -- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), speaking on Congress's 9% approval rating
[ Parent ]
Like Bennet's new ad
Bennet's response ad is pretty good.  Uses a ton of that Denver paper's ink, but still good.

But what I am wondering is how did Bennet out raise Romanoff 4 - 1 and run out of money down the stretch? AP reporting Bennet has loaned his campaign $300K out of fortune earned from his Anschutz days.  Guess he flunked cash managment.

For a guy running on his business acumen, does not bode well.

Yet another feather in the cap of RBI, Rapid Burn-rate Inc.

Out of money?
No one has said the campaign is out of money.  Bennet's loan (presumably) matches Romanoff's own loan - he's putting up so Romanoff can't claim to be the only guy opening his personal wallet.  Not as dramatic as selling your house to fund a campaign, but who needs more drama?
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Time Will Tell

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The robocall is bullshit
But given that it's a 527, the only move Romanoff has is to denounce it. And if he doesn't, well, so what? I mean, this isn't cricket. He's not bound by some code of chivalry from 1313.

Moreover, like David said (and I as well), it's on Bennet to respond. How? By going on offense. I mean, seriously. It's like people here want to run the same kind of campaign that Gore & Kerry ran.

Again - when & how is Bennet going to respond? Essentially, Romanoff is engaging in what my friend Josh Marshall calls the bitch slap theory of politics. That's why it's incumbent on Bennet to go on offense.

For what it's worth, I'm not happy at all that Romanoff has done this. But like I said in another thread, Andrew is clearly showing how badly he wants to be Senator. Does Bennet want to hold on to his seat just as badly? That's what we're waiting to see.

Ad astra, per aspera // keep calm & carry on

fight...fight...fight...fight
DEMOCRATIC SENATE PRIMARY RACE: TWO MEN ENTER...ONE MAN LEAVES...

Sorry Michael Bennet, but I'm a real person too
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No.
Actually a lot of them leave, if you can call yourselves men.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno
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And that's certainly an option
I mean, the longer this goes on, the harder it'll be for Romanoff to bring the party together if he pulls off the upset.

I don't share the certainty that others have in thinking that everyone will hold hands & sing Kumbaya on August 11th & 12th. I think that there's going to have to be a lot of fence-mending. My biggest fear is that if Romanoff wins, he and his supporters will strut and dance like there's no tomorrow. And if that's the case, then you can well & truly forget about unifying the party.

Ad astra, per aspera // keep calm & carry on

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They'll Be Pretty Obnoxious
but it's our duty to suck it up and go for a win in November.

From Washington to Wall Street, we now have too many 5-watt bulbs sitting in 100-watt sockets.--Jim Hightower
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He will not denounce it.
He sold already sold his soul.  
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Of course he will denounce it.
Romanoff will denounce the calls to the first reporter who calls him. The calls are lying. But that doesn't mean that they weren't absolutely part of a roundtable strategy, and that the campaign wasn't fully aware of them. They just weren't "coordinated."

For this reason, Pols was right to correct the headline, and the sanctimonious hand wringing about the grievious error of calling it "Romanoff's robocall" is ridiculous.

Yo quiero gobierno medio!

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Shame on you
for your insinuation of illegal activity.  Far as I can tell the Bennet people on here are absolutely NO WORSE than the Romanoff people.
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er, no better.

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It all works...
And hopefully it will all die down in another week.

"We're below sharks and contract killers." -- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), speaking on Congress's 9% approval rating
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Romanoff running a sleazy, lying campaign
If the calls are above Romanoff's character, why didn't he stop them?  Because he has turned into a sleazy, lying, scumbag.  
Oh my God.
This thread is awesome.

Hey, whatever AR has been doing, it's working.

If Bennet loses, what's he going to do with those assloads of campaign contributions?

He has to give back any contributions earmarked for the General.
And Romanoff needs to pray that he hasn't shit in his own nest so bad that people won't donate that money back to him.

Not bloody likely, IMHO.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

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nah.
For the next week, it is going to be total open war between these two candidates and everyone who supports them. We may not even be close to how nasty it's going to get.

But on August 11th I'm going to support the winner of this primary. And in two weeks all of us who ever once implied that we might not support the winner are going to feel a little stupid.

The only thing that complicates this is how low Andrew (and supporters--cough) have been willing to go. But nothing that either of them have done would justify the alternative.

Yo quiero gobierno medio!

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I'll vote for the winner
But I'm sure I'll donate money or volunteer time.

It's been that dirty.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

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Speak for yourself
I won't vote for Romanoff ever. Not ever. He doesn't deserve to be elected.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
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Well here's hoping
I won't have to try and change your mind.  

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

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My gut reaction is to agree with Thilly
I have been trying to convince others that party unity is the most important thing on here. I keep trying to convince myself that Romanoff has to be better than Buck.

But as the race gets more and more dirty I seriously begin to wonder if Romanoff's character is any better. I have serious questions about a candidate's integrity who didn't immediately come out against this robocall. It shows a complete lack of honor. I wouldn't presume to speak for others, but honor still means something to me. Especially in my elected officials. Honor can best be seen in how you treat your opponents. Whether it be in sports, business, or politics you should always treat your opponent with respect.

If you are so quick to sacrifice honor and respect for a sitting Senator, a fellow Democrat, a husband and father, and a respected Coloradan how are we to believe he will adequately fight on behalf of every Republican in this state? We aren't electing just a Senator for the Democrats, but one to fight on behalf of every single resident of Colorado, regardless of party affiliation.

If Romanoff can't make a the right decision to come out against something that is so clearly immoral, how can we expect him to grapple with moral gray areas? He's ignored the special interests when they are spreading lies to his benefit. He's ignored his supporters while they spread disinformation. The attack ads are part of politics and that I can accept as part of the game. The rest he should have made a principled statement about. If he can't do it about his own supporters, are we to believe he will in Washington?

I'm suddenly not sure that party unity is in the best interest of Colorado if Romanoff wins the primary. I find his compromised morality dangerous.

I hope time and Andrew can convince me otherwise.

"But, when it comes to voting, when we only have two choices, you've got to grow up and realize there's a big difference between a disappointing friend and a deadly enemy" - Bill Maher

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Took him days to 'refudiate' Pat Caddell
And Pat Caddell was on the payroll.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
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Apparently they clarify
Was this up when the diary went up?  It's on the groups rather barren webpage: http://thebennetrecord.com/

New Leadership in Colorado would like to clarify a recorded phone message delivered today that said Senator Michael Bennet "voted for a taxpayer-funded bailout of Wall Street."  To be even more clear, Michael Bennet voted to bailout Wall Street when he voted against preventing banks from becoming too big to fail.  We regret using the phrase "taxpayer-funded" but remain determined to inform voters that Micheal Bennet voted to bailout the same Wall Street banks that wrecked our economy by becoming too big to fail and who have since contributed over $500,000 to Bennet.

That's rather unusual...a 527 that wants to clarify their robocall.  Don't they normally just disappear into the night?

Did they robocall the correction to everyone who received the original?
If not, then the little website attempt to "clarify" is not really very relevant.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
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hey don't shoot the messenger
I read the diary and was curious.  I noticed no one referenced the group's site, so I thought I would take a look.
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It's a start
And hopefully it means that the next robocall will have some factual basis.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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Its CYA and nothing more n/t


"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

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And hopefully unicorns
and leprechauns will fly out of your ass.

David, it's wonderful! that you contort yourself into a pretzel to find the bright side of everything, but ... seriously?

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Didn't Call Me Back, And I Got The Original 1/2 Hour Ago
But we didn't really expect it, did we?

From Washington to Wall Street, we now have too many 5-watt bulbs sitting in 100-watt sockets.--Jim Hightower
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Can you Bennet supporters get off the Whaa-mbulance?
You talk about not getting support once the primary is over, if all you can do to respond to tough ads is to cry unfair, you're not going to get much support from me in the general. Not because I don't support Michael. Not because I'm pissed at what was said.

I'm not going to waste time and money on a loser. I want to see Betsy Marker win. I want to see Cary Kennedy win. Bernie Beuscher, Stan Garnett, and/or Hick might need help. I'm going to put in my time and money where it can make a difference.

The Bennet campaign and supporters need to stop whining and instead fight back. And do so effectively.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

I guess you've written off the Senate race altogether then
n/t

judge elected officials by their actions, not by their rhetoric
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No
But whoever wins the primary will have to show me they can be competitive in the general. For the same reason I won't donate in CD-6. If Romanoff wins by a point, that's impressive with where he came from. If Bennet wins by a point, that's pathetic with where he was 5 weeks ago.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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David!
To me, a response from someone who knows the Romanoff campaign and the 527 are lying should not say  "Can you Bennet supporters get off the Whaa-mbulance?"

It should say "Romanoff: take down these horrible ads, man up with some facts, stop hiding behind false ads or I will stop supporting you."

By both admitting that the ads are bullshit and lies and saying the Bennet campaign needs to stop crying foul, you are officially the problem.

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Fine, I'm the problem
What are you going to do to win the race?

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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I did a couple things just this evening, thanks
One -- I volunteered and called about 50 voters.

Two -- I got on here and tried to encourage you to be part of the solution.  Will you become part of the solution and call out your candidate for the lies, rather than blame the candidate about whom he is lying?

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Will you call out your candidate for his lies on financial reform?
I think those are much worse than Romanoff's use of the word looted.

And I did say I thought using that word was wrong.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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No idea what you are referring to, but you answered my question
Also, I certainly hope you understand the lies are not limited to the word "looted."
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Here you go
http://www.coloradopols.com/di...

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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Thanks, David
I'm going to move on to someone with a heart, a soul, and a little intellectual honesty.
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respond to tough ads is to cry unfair
David, the "ad" isn't "tough," it's a flat-out lie. A complete fabrication. An absurd distortion. And the Romanoff supporters are defending it, or, like you, somehow blaming Bennet for -- for something, it's hard to tell.

"Jane Norton supported Ref C, the biggest tax increase in Colorado history" -- that's a tough ad.

"Bennet voted for a taxpayer-funded bailout of Wall Street" -- that's a reprehensible lie from a faceless group

You really can't see the difference?  

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Sorry, I wasn't clear in my post above
This 3rd party robocall is a flat-out lie. As I said above in about 12 different comments, it's total bullshit. I agree with you.

My comment directly above was about the ads the Romanoff campaign has put out (which was not the topic of this diary). I just find it very frustrating that the Bennet campaign is whining instead of fighting back.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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The presumption is that the 527 is pro-AR
The campaign finance law says that there can be NO contact between a candidate and these 527s.   Can AR just denounce the ad w/o coming into conflict with the law?  My presumption is yes, but it could be a fine line.  

I think AR should.  I also think that both AR and Bennet should have denounced Tancredo's statement that Obama is the worst threat the US has ever faced.  I know that Patti Waak did, but nobody listens to her....sad, but true.

Ralphie, FALS is fine with me.



 For politics, geezers are golden.
by: BlueCat @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 19:19:14 PM MDT

Ralphie, FALSE, too


 For politics, geezers are golden.
by: BlueCat @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 19:19:14 PM MDT
More lies...
Old story.  So where is the "new" in New Leadership in Colorado? Hey, isn't a 527 - essentially a corporate PAC? Since 527's act on their own rules, let me just get the disclosure out there: "Debbie Wamsley, paid for indirectly by "the Andrew Romanoff wants to be your lying and cheating Senator for Colorado" supporters - who created a PAC - and want all to believe they don't accept PAC money. Instead they prefer 'lying and cheating' robo-call support. Hmmmm. Kind of a mind-fuck isn't it?

This will be good for solidarity. Colorado Democrat leadership take note, this will definitely prompt many Democrats to unaffiliate just to be off this "shit list".

Who is New Leadership and Debbie Wamsley?
Here is a theory for you to ponder and research:

Debbie Wamsley was fired recently from the Colorado AFL-CIO, she is the girlfriend of Steve Adams, who was removed by their national organization for some irregularities.

At least one of the sponsors of Debbie and her 527s (she has more than one registered) is UFCW Local 7's new leadership (Kim Cordova) who endorsed Romanoff (other unions like SEIU endorsed Bennet).

The attack ads have the trademark of David Minshall, their communications director who turned against the past leadership when they cut him off the payroll. He then designed a similar campaign to remove the past leadership and get himself reinstalled in the payroll.

Labor is also divided on this issue.

Who would Jesus smear...

Great Point
Debbie Wamsley and Kim Cordova have been attacking several good Democrats in heated primary races. For instance they've been working on behalf of Mark Thrun in HD5 and Jennifer Coken. They should be shunned from Democratic politics. Candidates should denounce them when they communicate misleading messages on their behalf.  
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