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Public Option, Er, "Exchange," Goes Public

by: Colorado Pols

Thu Oct 29, 2009 at 12:59:53 PM MDT


From MSNBC:

After months of struggle, House Democrats rolled out sweeping legislation Thursday to extend health care coverage to millions who lack it and create a new option of government-run insurance. A vote is likely next week on the plan largely tailored to President Barack Obama's liking.

Speaking on the steps of the Capitol, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Congress was at a "historic moment" with lawmakers "on the cusp of delivering on the promise of making affordable, quality health insurance available to every American."

Officials said the measure, once fully phased-in over several years, would extend coverage to 96 percent of Americans. Its principal mechanism for universal coverage is creation of a new government-regulated insurance "exchange" where private companies would sell policies in competition with the government. Federal subsidies would be available to millions of lower-income individuals and families to help them afford the policies, and to small businesses as an incentive to offer coverage to their workers.

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Public Option, Er, "Exchange," Goes Public | 73 comments
You know what would close the deal? Saying what the Public Option is....
...all we've gotten out of the Majority Party is the most nebulous of descriptions. That's made it easy for the Minority Party to pick at it - fairly so.

Based on the language of this bill, HHS gets to draw up this Public Option in the dirt. Howzabout coming out and saying WTF that is?

"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals."
~Mark Twain

Good point.
But the way I look at it, no matter what they call it - even if it happens (public option won't), it won't be before Christmas recess.

I'm waffling on the asparagus versus the creamed corn side.

Ah, hell.  There should be three or four of you there - I'll have both.

:)

[ Parent ]
Check my terms...
....you might be buying after all.

"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals."
~Mark Twain
[ Parent ]
Will you link again?
Don't remember.
[ Parent ]
It's here...
http://www.coloradopols.com/sh...

In all fairness, by my household being the judge, it actually benefits LB. A faux Public Option will not pass my judgement, in which case Sir Robin has to pay up.

I would remind both parties that a Veto or Veto threat splits the bill...

"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals."
~Mark Twain

[ Parent ]
Sir Robin...
Isn't part of the mix, is he?

I thought it was you, Fidel, Middle and I?

The more the merrier, though.  I like to eat.

[ Parent ]
The public option is really popular
regardless of whatever stupid shit the majority party has said about it.

If I remember correctly, it polls at about 70% if you just ask whether people support a public option.

If you ask, "Do you support the public option if it would bankrupt the government and kill your grandmom?" support goes down to about 55%.

I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!

[ Parent ]
Actually, not "public".
The Speaker of the Most Transparent Congress Evah® blocked the public from the press conference unveiling this turd.


*yawn*


Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
[ Parent ]
Right.
A press conference in a public area of the house should be closed, right?

Hey, I don't blame her.  The less exposure to the public this bill and the process to make it have the better for Pelosi.

I'd be embarrassed about it too.  

[ Parent ]
Yeah, those ten protesting teabaggers were denied their RIGHTS!
to shout at the top of their lungs and drown out Speaker Pelosi.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...

I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!

[ Parent ]
I keep forgetting...
...how dissent is now unpatriotic since the end of this past January.  Indeed, racist!

My bad.

[ Parent ]
Dissent's fine
It's just sometimes you have to do it outside.

Actually, good for them for showing up, and putting the rest of the billions of teabaggers to shame.

And who said they were racist? What's up with this racism thing? You don't like the fact that I pointed out a few teabaggers were racist when they said and did racist things?

Oy, but people hold a grudge on this site...

I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!

[ Parent ]
You sure about that?
It's a press conference, not a town hall meeting. It was not a two-way discussion with constituents. Or do you think the Oval Office should be open for teabaggers to do a sit-in? How about the president's White House bathroom while he's taking a dump? It's a taxpayer-owned building, after all.

If you had been following the actual news, you would have known that Randall Terry and his band of abortion clinic terrorists were running around accosting members of Congress all day with gory photos and Nancy Pelosi hung in effigy. There was no way Pelosi (or any Republican for that matter) was going to let any asshat protester into a televised press conference for fear that some bloody fetus picture would make its way onto daytime television.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy


[ Parent ]
Does he wash his hands WITH SOAP?
For at least 30 seconds?

Taxpayers have a right to know!

I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!

[ Parent ]
That's socialist soap!


Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
[ Parent ]
Nice Dems. Nice bill.
Written behind closed doors, released at an "invite-only" press conference (?!?!).

Didn't Obama say something about writing the bill live on CSpan?


[ Parent ]
Apparently you haven't been glued to C-SPAN 3
It's been all health care markups all the time for two months.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
[ Parent ]
The "och"? n/t

[ Parent ]
When has a press conference ever been open to the public?
I thought it was generally for, oh I don't know, could it be, THE PRESS?

(To be read in Church Lady voice, of course.)

Usually people have to have press credentials to get into a press conference. So what exactly are you complaining about? This seems like a reach.

I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!

[ Parent ]
How often are bills WRITTEN in public?
Oh yeah, pretty much NEVER.  How often did Bush or Mitch McConnell invite the 'public' to their press conferences????

Yes, provide me the data. Otherwise I think you are merely whiny and a bit bitter.


"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
SillyTwitty
It's much easier to recite today's Frank Luntz talking points than it is to watch CSPAN for two months.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
[ Parent ]
Yeah, silly me
I forgot.  How dare they!  Hold a press conference for the press!  It's like Maoist or something.  Didn't Pol Pot also write his bills 'behind closed doors'?


"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
Them GOPers sure are smart
Speaker Pelosi may think she's won a political victory by shutting Republicans out of this process

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

I'm pretty sure the GOP has made their mantra position well kNOwn.

I love how they keep bringing up the tea parties as 'Americans oppose this' when all polling shows strong support for a public option, ignoring--also--how many people they currently represent, about 20% who identify as Republicans, and even that small, dwindling minority is fractured--as we see in NY with Newty and Mr. Steele facing off against Sarah and Perry...should be a fun, and bloody, GOP primary for 2012.

I'm not too happy with the Dems, but thankfully (for them) they get to run against Republicans.  

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
Who's scared of interns?
Yes, that would be the big tough House GOP members!

Dems: Interns barred from GOP presser

Lots of people getting turned away from events today -- and lots of people complaining about it.

Turns out that Dems sent their people -- interns, actually -- to crash the House GOP's health care reform presser in the basement of the Capitol and they got turned away, according to a Democratic aide.

Republicans filmed their own rejections at the gates of the Pelosi event earlier today.

"Our event had more than 250 people present, primarily supporters, but also some protesters," said a House Democratic spokesman. " Our blended bill was posted online this morning. In contrast, the Republican event today was open only to credentialed media and GOP staffers. More importantly, it's been 134 days and they still haven't shown the American people their bill or pledged to post it online for 72 hours like we have."

Gosh, you mean the Republicans are nothing but "gotcha" hypocrits? Who would have guessed!

LB, do you ever get tired of being such an idiot?

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

[ Parent ]
I was told...
To always go to the R events first because of the superior free drinks and food spread, then to go over to the Dem parties to meet chicks.

Maybe the interns were just using that model?

Honestly, none of this is a big deal.  Just poking the big blue eye.

LB, do you ever get tired of being such an idiot?

Hey, now.  Don't go all JeffcoBlue on me...

[ Parent ]
to the Dem parties to meet chicks
I've spent years trying to convince my Libertarian (capital L) to hang out with Democrats, if only so he could meet women.

I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!
[ Parent ]
The less exposure?
Are you retarded? Seriously, this bill has been online since July. The public stands firmly behind health care reform WITH a public option. Even the "liberal" Wall Street Journal poll shows the American people want health care reform over the status quo.

Who are you kidding other than your dellusional self. This has been the most debated upon legislation in decades and you conjur up conspiracy theories.

I almost feel sorry for you... oh wait in fact I dont since whatever it is you're doing with the rest of your right-wing-nuttery friends, it seems to be doing wonders for the GOP image.

Okay, this is striking. Earlier this week a Washington Post poll made a big splash because it  found that only 21 percent self-identify as Republicans. The abysmally low number  got pundits and reporters talking about whether the GOP is shrinking to the point of irrelevance.

Now we have another poll that finds that the number of self-identified Republicans has dropped even lower: 20 percent.

Thirteen percent identify themselves as a "strong Republican"; seven percent as a "not very strong Republican." Total: Twenty percent.

So two polls this week have now found this, suggesting it's probably not an outlier. Does anyone know if any other poll has found the number of self-identified GOPers hitting 20 percent?

Keep it up.

Some people just never change. I guess that's just the way it is.  

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

[ Parent ]
This bill.
In its current form (the one released today) has most certainly not been online since July.
[ Parent ]
It has been on OpenCongress.org since then..
...with added amendments and such. (HR3200, which is the base) Maybe not exactly the same as the slab o paper released today, but pretty much all there.

Just in case someone can't sleep tonight, here:

http://www.opencongress.org/bi...

"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals."
~Mark Twain

[ Parent ]
Right.
But the bill that goes to debate is the important one.  You can't debate hypotheticals or score them financially with much weight, eh?
[ Parent ]
Actually you can
That's a part of the process. Hypotheticals are what's scored. You really don't know the process do you? I'm not trying to be mean here, I'm serious.  

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole
[ Parent ]
Yes.
I understand that part, but you have Senators that have flat-out stated that they'l support a filibuster if certain parts of the bill are included, what's the point until you see the final product?

Especially on something that's SO URGENT that it takes effect in 2013.

I don't think you're being mean, you're just taking this all too seriously.  I'm not scowling and spitting on my keyboard.  I'm relaxed and conversing and joking with some of my Pols homies.

[ Parent ]
Senators talk, it's what they do
and Joe Lieberman is no political barometer by any means. Look at the sides he's taken the last few years. If I was a betting man, which I'm not, I would bet the farm on the opposite of what Joe LIEberman says.  

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole
[ Parent ]
Snowe, Collins, Lieberman.
You need those votes for cloture.  With a public option, it ain't happening, right?
[ Parent ]
Need?
No. The Dems do not need Snowe, Collins and Lieberman. They need 60 votes, not 62, and they will a vote with the public option in the bill.  

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole
[ Parent ]
That's the crux of it, right there.
I don't think the Dems can keep the coalition together.  You obviously do.

Time to pop the popcorn.

[ Parent ]
You're right
It's easier to be against something than it is to lead, but leading is what keeps your troops close by. I get that and so do a lot of the Senators - especially Harry Reid who is showing a bit of leadership this week.

As for what we're seeing here in the infotainment media is nothing out of the ordinary, especially for Lieberman. He's about as bad a Chuck Schumer when it comes to attention. The guy's ego is bigger than his head most days.  

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

[ Parent ]
This bill.
Which went through this process

It has most certainly has been online since July. In fact before it was even a bill the house committees posted a "rough draft" for the American people to review. It's a part of the process, which I guess you're not familiar with.

And since I'm such a nice guy, here's a link to the marked up bill in it's current form as reintroduced today: http://waysandmeans.house.gov/...

You'll notice the committee even provided information on the topline changes to the bill.

Now, please throw away your FoxNews, RedState, Drudge, Malkin (or where ever you get them) talking points. They make you sound dumb.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

[ Parent ]
Mmm hmm.
But your own link said what was released today (unless I'm reading it wrong - certainly possible) is 67% different than the bill initially introduced.
[ Parent ]
The July link?
says introduced July 14, 2009.  

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole
[ Parent ]
Understood.
What is the part that says it's 67% different than the original bill?
[ Parent ]
As for the changes
That's what happens in committees; they "amend" the bill. Hmm... not to quick are you? All of those "amendments" to the bill were debated live on CSPAN, archived on CSPAN, and posted online by each committee.

I need to start charging tuition to teach this class.  

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

[ Parent ]
Dude.
Quit with the insults.  I won't return them.

Until this afternoon, the bill coming from committee was unknown.  Now it goes to debate on the floor.

Pelosi et al could have made drastic changes depending on support, and still can.

Right?

[ Parent ]
Yes, the bill was amended
but what you're conjuring up is that even though this bill has been debated upon in three committees, in public and online since July, that some how Nancy Pelosi threw those bills out and wrote her own. That's just fantasy. That's not reality.

No chairman, or committee member for that matter, would ever allow that to happen. They've put months if not years into this single piece of legislation. What the Speaker has done is meshed the work of the three committees to reintroduce the bill as amended with all the input and compromises from all the members (and here's the shocked) including Republicans! Yes, Republican amendments are included in this bill!  

Now can the current bill amend again? Yes of course, that's what happens on the floor and in conference committee.

I'll be civil if you stop with the ridiculousness.  

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

[ Parent ]
Right.
DO you see this bill getting done before the Christmas recess, given the opposition to the public option?

I'll be as ridiculous as I Goddamn well please.  Sharon Hanson posts here, for crying out loud.

[ Parent ]
Who is Sharon Hanson?
and vice versa on the insults command!

Yes, the bill will be signed, sealed and delivered with a public option before Christmas.  

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

[ Parent ]
???
You'll be as Goddamn well insulting as you please because Sharon Hanson posts on this blog?

Wanna get in on buying me dinner when the bill doesn't pass with a public option by Christmas recess?

[ Parent ]
HA!
No, you told me stop the insults (vice versa), and I don't know who Sharon Hanson is.

I would, it sounds nice since I'm a big asparagus fan, but I must pass.  

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

[ Parent ]
Stop lying
There's no such thing as an asparagus fan.

It makes [looks around, in a hushed voice] your pee smell weird.

I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!

[ Parent ]
But you said...
it was 'written behind closed doors.'  Which is where most bills are 'written.'  I think that Go Blue just demonstrated it has been posted in its component forms in various stages of development for a while now.

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
How much
Of the bill was written outside of committee?
[ Parent ]
Bills are written outside of committees
generally, then go to one for 'mark up' which is to say they get amended, debated, amended, discussed, and voted out (or not) of that committee where they then go to the floor (or another committee) and get amended, debated, amended, discussed, then passed (or not).

When there are different bills on the same matter, or similar bills of different matters, they often get combined...to say it was 'written behind closed doors' just betrays a fundamental ignorance of how the sausage factory works.  But to the ignorant I agree it makes for a good (if inaccurate and stupid) talking point to help rally the dwindling 20% of the electorate that is the GOP.  



"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
Less than a 1%?
I'm guessing here of course, but I'd say for the most part this has been melded together through a process by the informed members of the committees; Waxman advocating for his committees version of the public option (which prevailed obviously); Miller pushing for workforce training programs; Rangel for low-income subsidies, etc. They took their bills as amended and made them one.

The biggest change from the committees bill was keeping it's net costs under $900B which they successfully did by trimming subsidies.

They still accomplished their goals by keeping a system in place to insure 96% of Americans while reducing the deficit over 10 and even 20 years; pretty good work if you ask me.

Unlike the Bush/Republican prescription drug bill that wasn't paid for and increased the deficit.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

[ Parent ]
Hey - off topic.
Should Rangel keep his chair?
[ Parent ]
No.


"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
Hmm, good question
Has he been proven guilty of anything wrong/illegal?

This would beg the question for many other politicians too of course. Should Vitter, Ensign, Sanford keep their seats?

Do you think an accusation is enough to punish anyone? Of course not. Let the process work.

However, I fear this will end his career one way or another. From what I hear this has really effected him. He's moving slower, not as quick to the punch with a joke or even a smile. I'm not sure if that's a sign of guilt or not, but it's a sign that he's been worn down and that is just sad.

And on that dose of reality, I say good bye for now.

Until health care passes good sir,

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

[ Parent ]
You're not going to post...
...until after Christmas?

Good hearing from you.  CHeers.

[ Parent ]
No.
Kick his ass off. Duke Cunningham showed us that even war heroes aren't immune to corrupt influences. He should resign, and if he doesn't, he should get kicked off.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy
[ Parent ]
The bipartisan "Call to Action" developed by Baucus and Grassley in 2008
Shockingly looks almost identical to the Senate bill including the public option:

The Exchange would also include a new public plan option, similar to Medicare. This option would abide by the same rules as private insurance plans participating in the Exchange (e.g., offer the same levels of benefits and set the premiums the same way). Rates paid to health care providers by this option would be determined by balancing the goals of increasing competition and ensuring access for patients to high-quality health care. A number of options could be considered to determine who runs the plan, who is eligible for it, and how to ensure that the public-private insurance competition lowers costs and improves quality. The Independent Health Coverage Council, described below, would inform these decisions.

Chuck Grassley and the Republican staff co-wrote that document with Baucus and the Democratic staff. All of this opposition is completely political, and the claim that all of these ideas are new and un-debated is pure horse puckey.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy


[ Parent ]
Not everyone feels that way.
[ Parent ]
Right, take McConnell's word for it
I can see his crocodile tears too.  

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole
[ Parent ]
McConnel is not political??????
TW:All of this opposition is completely political

LB: Not everyone feels that way.
Like some other Senators.

LB-wtf are you trying to say here?  Can I get you another shovel?

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
Of course he is.
But he's no Harry Reid.
[ Parent ]
Both despicable characters...but McConnell is ALL politics
The GOP mantra.  If Obama says 'yes' McConnell says 'No.'  Its that simple.  

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
Mitch McConnell?
Do people still listen to him?

I mean seriously, not to disparage all Republicans, but really, Mitch McConnell? The guy who's more Steve Forbes than Steve Forbes?

I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!

[ Parent ]
I hit a triple header last time I was in DC
saw three of my favs--McConnel, Boehner with a nice orange 'tan,'  and RuPaul.

"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
Those guys...
Are starting a boy band.  It's going to ba AWESOME!
[ Parent ]
"When Eagles Soar...."


"There are a lot of reasons not to elect me." Mitt Romney in a moment of clarity

"I'm Mitt Romney and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name," Willard Mitt Romney demonstrating 'policy flexibility.'  

[ Parent ]
If there is no death panel
I'm not interested in re-hashing it.
Until the reconciliation bill gets close to a vote- like that same day.
Give me death panels or give me death!
If Polis votes for this bill with no death panel option, I'll...I don't know, call him names or something.

I demand that all students get As, that all our oil comes from American soil, that waste and fraud be eliminated forever, and that potato chips stop making me fat!
[ Parent ]
Regardless of how it is set up.....
.... the insurance industry will figure out how to game it to their advantage(s).

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010
Damn it feels good
While we're still not home, this week and especially today were victories for health care reform and the American people.

Take it all in for a moment. This really is history in the making.



"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

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