Tuesday Open Thread

“A fool and his money are soon elected.”

–Will Rogers

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  1. FrankUnderwood says:

    There are only four shopping days left for the GOP to get a replacement for Obamacare.

  2. ZappateroZappatero says:

    Being bipartisan with the most anti-democratic, militaristic, ignorant, divisive, and destructive president in history- and his supporters in congress – is immoral. 

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      Breaking — Bernie Sanders is an "immoral" LINO: . . . 

      Last night, Sanders and Klobuchar insisted, over and over, that they “really like” their Republican colleagues. This is a liberal tic that obscures the moral distinctions between Graham-Cassidy and proposals like Medicare for All. “These are wonderful gentlemen, and I know nobody up here wants to see anybody die,” Sanders said.


      . . . Oh No's – Say it ain't so Bern-o !!!!!!!!!   

      • FrankUnderwood says:

        Zappy needs to call him out on that…..

        Yo, Zappy…..it looks like Bernie is starting to eat up that bipartisanship stuff you like to accuse M. Bennet of spouting. 

        • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

          Sanders has always worked across the aisles. As an Independent, he was in a unique position to do that. He got plenty good stuff done by amendment to legislation proposed by either side.

          It's a little late to be calling him out for being too bipartisan now.

          Joking aside, I personally don't feel we have to demonize or demean the other party in order to say that their policies are ineffective, morally and ethically bankrupt, or just plain wrong.


  3. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    Note to der Leader: you're doing it wrong

    “If you want happiness for a lifetime – help the next generation.”
    ~Chinese Proverb

  4. notaskinnycooknotaskinnycook says:

    Here's some help for the next generation Michael. I didn't want you to miss this: http://www.thecannabist.co/2017/09/25/pot-zero-vail-valley-marijuana-farm/88651/

    • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

      That's a great story.  A lot of focus in the industry is shifting towards regenerative practices.  The Organic Cannabis Association was formed here in Colorado by two really neat young men and they have recently merged with the Ethical Cannabis Alliance forming the Cannabis Certification Council.    

      Young people get it – and want to be part of this new ag crop in Colorado.  We call Xmas tree and poinsettia cultivation agriculture – there is no reason to pretend cannabis production shouldn't be treated the same way.  I can grow corn and make whiskey (or high fructose corn syrup); I can grow potatoes and make vodka (or french fries).  I can grow wheat and barley and make beer (or bread).  Want to draw young kids back to small towns?  Have rural counties lift the moretoriums on cultivation.  If we were proposing a craft brewery the local county commission would fall all over itself welcoming the new business into town with open arms.  

      At last count over 18,000 (generally younger) Colorado citizens are employed in the industry.   It's projected that by 2020 the industry will employ more than the entire manufacturing sector.

      Really proud of what we're doing here in Colorado on both the industrial hemp side (my main focus) and marijuana.  We are setting the pace and the narrative on the national discussion.  It's well past time to end this trillion-dollar debacle, the War on Drugs and think about these challenges in a very different way.  The experiment isn't legalization; the experiment was Prohibitionan utter failure

      • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

        Nice piece on industrial hemp in The Daily Sentinel

        “I would tell you right now there’s already more acres of industrial hemp than there are Rocky Ford cantaloupe and, don’t hang me, Palisade peaches,” he said. “Will it ever replace corn? I doubt it. But will it be a part of the agricultural landscape here? I think very likely it will always be part of our landscape.”

        • Conserv. Head Banger says:

          "by 2020, the industry will employ more than the entire manufacturing sector….."  I'd rather see a comparison to employing more than the oil & gas, and coal industries. 

          • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

            C.H.B. –  here's how solar compares to OG&C (374,000 v. 187,000 nationally).  When MamaJ is finished opening minds for the day I bet she'll have some input from her COGA chart that debunks much of the industry hype (and I think she has the direct jobs number).  In the meantime, this article provides some numbers you might you to extrapolate: 

            Debunking the gas industry’s pitch

            The report further notes, “the United States Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) show that as of 2010 (the last year for which complete statistics are available) the oil and gas industry in Colorado accounted for only 2.25 percent of the state’s gross domestic product (GDP) and just less than 1 percent of the state’s jobs. This means that oil and gas extraction is not close to being a top industry in Colorado either measured as a percentage of state GDP or in terms of number of jobs created.”

            • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

              The 2012 Leeds study was the last time that I can see that the CU school of business was honest about gas and oil jobs in Colorado.

              If you look on page 12 of that study, you see that there were only 26,853 jobs directly employed in the oil and gas industry in extraction and support, another 2,402 direct drilling jobs.

              Everything else was somebody working in an office entering data, or selling leases, or adjudicating something, or driving a tanker, or working in a gas station. That's what they call "induced" jobs to drive up the job count to 111,476 jobs.

              It's what our dishonest Governor used to make his case that we shouldn't limit gas and oil development in any way in order not to impact "Colorado's energy economy".

              You were right about photobucket not doing free image hosting anymore, Michael. I still haven’t found a site (except postimage, which doesn’t seem too secure), that hosts images for free or cheap. So I can’t post the charts from photobucket, Tinypic works OK, but seems fussy.

          • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

            Here's a piece on Germany that will warm your renewable energy heart…

            Germany Breaks A Solar Record — Gets 85% Of Electricity From Renewables

            Graichen says days like April 30 will become “completely normal” by 2030, as the federal government’s Energiewende, or energy revolution, begins to really reap the benefits of the investments made in renewable energy resources since 2010. German energy policies have been the subject of frequent attacks in the media, mostly from fossil fuel interests who would be only too happy to see it fail. However, chancellor Angela Merkel is a staunch supporter of the initiative and the German public is firmly behind it as well.

      • Diogenesdemar says:

        That 18,000 number ought to be compared to the $3Billion in incentives that conservative wünderkind and Koch ballwasher, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker just ponied up for the hoped for wet-dream promise of 13,000 Foxconn jobs . . . 

        . . . (btw, for kicks and coughs do the per job math on that "conservative" deal) . . . 

  5. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    McConnell: Senate won't vote on GOP health care bill, sources tell CNN

    Washington (CNN)The Senate will not vote on the Graham-Cassidy bill to repeal Obamacare, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told Republicans in a closed-door meeting, three sources told CNN.

    The calculations for health care are agonizing for McConnell. Putting a controversial bill on the floor without the votes exposes members to political fallout and attack ads. Many Republicans haven’t even taken a public position on Graham-Cassidy, a bill that the Congressional Budget Office said Monday would drastically cut Medicaid and lead to millions of people not having health insurance compared to the status quo.

  6. PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

    Taliban apparently still active in rural areas of the country.

    Former Delta student claims she was punished for atheist views; sues school

    • notaskinnycooknotaskinnycook says:

      It won't matter about the scholarships, I've a feeling the settlement will pay for her university education.

    • PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

      Speaking of Sharia law in the US…

      Alabama Senate GOP frontrunner: Constitution was written to "foster Christianity"

      In the end, Moore's powerful logic is inescapable:

      Roy Moore: There are communities under Sharia law right now in our country. Up in Illinois. Christian communities; I don’t know if they may be Muslim communities.

      But Sharia law is a little different from American law. It is founded on religious concepts.

      Jeff Stein: Which American communities are under Sharia law? When did they fall under Sharia law?

      Roy Moore: Well, there’s Sharia law, as I understand it, in Illinois, Indiana — up there. I don't know.

      Jeff Stein: That seems like an amazing claim for a Senate candidate to make.

      Roy Moore: Well, let me just put it this way — if they are, they are; if they’re not, they’re not.

  7. FrankUnderwood says:

    And now we're spending $25,000 to buy Scott Pruitt the Cone of Silence…..


    I'm reminded of back in the '80's when Ed Meese took over as A.G., there was a nude statue in the DOJ lobby near where press briefing took place. He had the department spend thousands of dollars on what was glorified bedspread to use as a drape to cover the statue when Meese held pressers.

  8. mamajama55mamajama55 says:

    You try it:  Explain to children that we are not actually at war with North Korea, even though our President says that he plans to totally destroy North Korea, and North Korea's top diplomat says that Trump declared war "on Pyongyang".

    Explain this news story:

    White House Denies Declaring War on N. Korea

    Try it. I dare you. Double dare you. Something never before seen will happen to you if you don't try it. Fire and fury. Maybe.

    Or maybe nothing at all, just hot words. 

    This is the guy who criticized Obama's "red line" in Syria?

    • Diogenesdemar says:


      please pay attention now, this is very, very, very important . . . 

      Your parents voted for a man for President who's a fucking loon.

      The leader of North Korea, who your parents didn't vote for, is also a fucking loon.

      When two loons get all excited, they flap about wildly and also make strange sounds that really make no sense to anyone, it's just looney lunacy.  

      Moral of the story: don't automatically believe anything you hear from either of them (even though it may sometimes kind of sound like words); when your time comes, don't vote for fucking loons; and please, please, please, for you own sakes and the sake of every other kid on this planet, tell your parents to stop watching stupid shit on FOX before they do permanent damage to their brains . . .

      Any questions???

  9. PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

    Here's something we have had bipartisan agreement on– corporatism.

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