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Now you know why Perry said it. He’s got a GOP primary to win against the very popular Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison next year, and apparently he knows his base quite well.
Don’t forget the Battle of Glorieta Pass!
That’s all white with me, Pat!
/get it?
//will be here all week
///try the veal
This would mean no more presidents from Texas….ever. The last two Texans we had as president led us into disastrous wars.
If Alaska secceeded, we wouldn’t have to put up with Palin either anymore.
There might be some real advantages to going back to 48 states.
I think that would be two of the last three presidents from Texas. Johnson, Bush2. Bush1 not so much.
TX secession is viable is treason.
I get that it seems fun to joke about. It’s not. It’s offensive.
It’s not racist, it’s not sexist, it’s not un-pc is some other less than important way. It’s treason.
treason: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow or eliminate the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance
Not a cuddly, cute secession like this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…
You goofs are getting pretty heavy-handed throwing the T word around.
You just registered; what’s the context in which you’re lamenting the loss of the good old days?
Old editorial that absolutely no one read vs. very public comments from governor of one of America’s largest states.
Yes, that’s a valid comparison!!
it’s worth pointing out that Texas secession could just as easily be seen as a movement for independence and self-determination. If we support a people’s right to revolution for purposes of self-determination then we don’t really have any legitimate moral grounds to condemn these Texans who support independence for their state.
You mean except the US Constitution, right?
this is political sour grapes, not one group of people dissolving the political bands that bind them to another for legitimate reasons.
Plus, their taxes have gone DOWN. What are they so pissed off about anyway?
to see a poll of the other 49 states who would like to see Texas leave the union.
Here is a link to a fantastic video which pretty much summarizes my opinion on the issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…
dysfunctional-Cowboy-Hobbesian-lunacy squared.
Not because it’s treason (that seems a pretty long stretch), but because it isn’t too hard to see this as a road to serious violence, both within the state and between agitators in the state and the feds. If 50% of the R’s believe this is right, then you have to believe at least 10% of them believe it’s worth getting bloody over. I say let them leave the union, but I have family down there and wouldn’t want to see them caught up in some stupid political violence that really only reflects how bored some people are down there.
1. All Texans, being U.S. citzrens, would be given a choice whether to go or stay–in the USA that is–even if it may require picking up and moving north.
2. I’d speculate that a county-by-county vote might divide the state for purposes of secession. I don’t pretend to know anything about the geographical distribution of the Texas intelligentsia (‘cept for Austin) versus Real Cowboys.
3. Violence comes in lots of forms–crime being the “obvious” one. I’m under the impression that Texas is among the most violent states in the union. Any facts on this? Point being: no one wants one’s relatives involved in a shooting civil-war, obviously; but something like that is already happening.
4. At some stage, time comes to put up or shut up. Let the newly expanded majority in the US Senate make the offer: Feds are scheduling elections; counties that vote to secede are outta here. Seems to me Governor Perry has largely run his course; time to call him on his bluff and endless drivel. (Isn’t there some form of poker named after Texas? “Hold ’em” or somesuch? Or is it “Hold IT.” Or rather, Hold it.)
And last, while we may smirk at the nonsense coming out of that place, I seriously wonder how many ‘Muricans would really get overly upset to be rid of the most concentrated pile of bovine waste product ever seen on earth. Hell, they’re even famous for it and take pride in it; whaddya think those cowboy boots are about, anyway?
Article III, Section 3:
Secession becomes treason when they take up arms to press their case, although it sounds like convicting someone of it is a pretty tall order. Since peaceable secession is out of the question, it’s not really a stretch to describe this talk as treasonous, but it’s not treason in and of itself.
Do not pass go.
Do not collect $200.
Just GTFO
One was what effect Texas’ secession would have on electoral votes and House seats which would be reallocated.
The other was what if Texas did not seceed but instead divided itself into 5 separate states (which is purportedly reserved the right to do in its petition for statehood).
Texas doesn’t get to just secede. They don’t get to have their own little economy, and their own little country in the middle of North America.
If this was a bunch of pissed of Oregonians talking about seceding, we’d never hear the end of it on Fox News. They’d be talking about how the liberals hate America, and so forth.
Somehow when Texas talks about actually taking land from the United States and making their own country, and a poll comes out showing half of Texas Republicans support it, it’s just fine and dandy.
Tell you what Texas, you leave us the land, all the national resources, all your property rights, and the people who want to stay, you can GIT OUT.
And I also think anyone who proposes this should be clearly called out for treasonous speech.
I recall the rumor that circulated about this or that celebrity saying that if Bush won re-election, they’d leave the US. And the rightside punditry went crazy denouncing them as unpatriotic.
And a now a governor and half a major party says leaving would be a good thing. Where’s the fair and balanced?
These guys are nuts.
ANd by the way- the US Supreme Court settled this issue 140 years ago.
http://www.oyez.org/cases/1851…
When the cry went up about “unpatriotic” folks leaving the country, at least they weren’t talking about taking part of the land with them!
And the space center, and whatever else belongs to the U.S. government.
That’d larn ’em.
Sarah Palin’s favorite secessionist party in Alaska along with the Puerto Rico separatists. Altexrico? But I seem to remember that the last real attempt at secession didn’t end very good for the malcontents. Neither did it end well for the last Axis alliance, I guess.
Why do Robert Duvall’s words from the movie Geronimo, when he came upon the massacre of native American women and children, come to mind?
“Must be Texans… the lowest form of white man there is,” said he. Did he have 48 percent of the Texas Republican Party in mind?
BEFORE we send them a shitload of Tamiflu.
That stuff should be reserved for Real Americans.
from The State of Deseret, they will have to look down my barrel first.
Good riddance. Once they’re no longer part of the United States, we can set strict limits on the number of them allowed to visit the U.S., and it will reduce motor-home crowding on Colorado’s highways by at least 50% during the summer months. I can see no downside.
I’ve been coming here for about 12 years cuz my daughters moved here for one reason or another. It’s stranger than any foreign country I’ve been to, as the other PR observes above, “A whole nudder country.”
Observations:
Billboard: “Everything’s bigger in Texas.” I say, mostly hubris. Lots of Texas flags, decals. You know how house numbers get painted on the curb? A background of the lone star flag.
This state must have a developmental level of adolescence. Big trucks, big hair, big roofs. Texans are immature.
They really think that Texas and Texans are special. It’s more like a little boy proud of his pee-pee. There is no basis in the facts.
Ten years ago I was exiting a Baytown restaurant were we had a wedding rehearsal dinner. It was late dusk and observing the many Chevy Suburbans in the lot I said to no one in particular, “Boy, I haven’t seen so many Suburbans since I was at a Chevy dealer.” A voice comes out of the almost dark, deadly serious: “Well, y’all in Texas now.” Is that a psychological snapshot or what?
They believe that it is their right to burn as much oil as they want to and consume as much Stuff as they want to. Gimme, gimmee.
Texas is a geographically beautiful state, just like Colorado or California. I will likely live here some day. But man, what weird people and misplaced pride. (Family excepted, of course!)
You couldn’t sell me on the Dallas/Ft. Worth area no matter how hard you tried. Colorado’s eastern Plains look positively lush and mountainous by comparison. People pretty much as parsing describes; when I was there in the ’80s, there were lots of big Cadillacs with longhorns mounted on the front (now apparently replaced with Suburbans, most probably with truck nuts mounted under the trailer hitch…).
I mostly don’t want Texas to secede because of Austin. Great city, great people, great rolling hill country.
They just don’t know it yet. Like the Brits in the first half of the last century.
Up to maybe the 1980’s California was the major “Can do” state. While there was a quite pride in many engineering and economic accomplishments, they weren’t focused on their pee-pee’s. I was there back then and I never sensed what I do in Tex – patooey! – as.
A few more blips:
A poster in the bar in Luckenbak: “I’d rather be a fencepost in Texas than the king of Tennessee.”
Bumper sticker: “I wasn’t born here, but I got here as fast as I could.”
On the way to Austin (A “blue” island in a sea of red insanity) I passed a van. It had a “McCain/Palin” and an “Impeach Obama” sticker. I thought, “Presumably you supported Bush who trashed our Constitution, but you want to impeach a president who has not. Are you nuts?” Oh, sorry, you are a Texan.
and the San Antonio River Walk for parts of Seward’s Folly?
Mikhail Gorbachev is laughing at US as we begin to face the rumblings of losing a “southern Republic.” Neo-Cons certainly cheered in 1989 when it happened to the Soviet Union, and they said secession was the logical choice for freedom-loving peoples seeking to escape the heavy hand of totalitarian government. We even sent all sorts of American advisors and aid to support the newly independent Republics.
So, now that we’re normalizing relations with Cuba, might not the Russians support Texas secession (or the Chinese?). After all, Texas has about as much ability to survive on its own as any other “banana Republic.”
So, is Texas the new Cuba?
when I say maybe it’s time to make plans to move military establishments out of the state. If 35% of Texans want to secede from the union, it at least makes sense to plan for the day when 16% of Texans change their minds.
That state is ridiculously well-off as a part of the U.S. The amount of federal dollars spent there far outweighs what they pay in taxes. We maintain military bases all over the state, at cost to the rest of the country. Maybe it’s time to rethink that.
“For too long in our class of 50, Texas has been the stupid kid who eats paste and smells like pee.”
Why not? They are one of the few states that aren’t bankrupt like California. Whenever you have a liberal dominated state they run it into the ground. Now, Obama is going to do to US what they have done to California and New York.
I am moving to Texas and help tip the balance toward secession. The rest of you can keep your debts and your unemployment and your trickle up poverty that Obama has unleashed on the USA.
If so, I’ll help load the moving van.
There are only 9 States that are not facing a budget shortfall. They are:
MT: Red State
WY: Red State
ND: Red State
SD: Red State
AK: Red State
TX: Red State
IN: Blue State
WV: Red State
NE: Red State
Hmmmm. So where do you think Obama is taking this country now? Never mind the facts.
Obama controls state budgets. Get a clue, doc.
You are an idiot.
The states that voted for Obama are the same states that vote for lousy fiscal policy.
Get a clue.
Before you call them “red state”, you might want to look at their overall leadership. Montana is very split, Alaska’s legislature is dominated by a Dem-moderate GOP coalition, Wyoming has a Dem governor, West Virginia is Democratic at all levels except the Presidential race.
Aside from that:
I’d go on, but I’ll let the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, where most state budget data figures are collected for use by people making statements like yours, speak for the health of the union: only 2 states – MT, and and ND – will be without budget shortfalls by the time they pass their FY2010 budgets this year. (Wyoming had no shortfall as of the time of the article in March, but the link I point out above obviously changes that…)
I will bet there is a correlation to states that voted for Obama by bigger margins are also deeper in debt. They just don’t get it.
Since THE RECESSION STARTED BEFORE THE ELECTION
And, since Obama has continued the failed Bush policies only he put them on steroids.