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January 24, 2017 06:27 AM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“It is easy when we are in prosperity to give advice to the afflicted.”



31 thoughts on “Tuesday Open Thread

  1. State legislators attack women's health.

    RMGO legislative rentboys Patrick Neville, Justin Everett, and Dan Nordberg have proposed laws that could close clinics in Colorado, and misinform women about legal options for abortion. This is modeled on legislation that has closed clinics all over the country.

    This is being countered by Democratic legislators such as Susan Lontine, Daneya Esgar, and Joann Ginal.

    Per the reporting of pstress of the Pueblo Chieftain 1/21/2017

    Time to contact your local legislators, as well, and tell them: No Way on Women’s Health Protection Act, HB1085 (talk about an Orwellian name for a bill).

  2. Dems should note that Republicans are ever ready to take away even the slightest progress in society at the drop of a toupee.

    Here's a little note on their Obamacare/ACA repeal and replace strategery:

    Over at Josh's joint, John Judis brings us the interesting story of what happened in Australia when conservatives there overturned a seven-year old national healthcare law in 1981 in favor of a kind of "free-market" alternative. Prices soared. (Shocking, I know.) People got so angry that they turfed out the conservatives, voted in a liberal government, and established a new national system that exists to this day. Judis speculates that the current Republican majorities may face a similar dynamic if they blow up the Affordable Care Act in favor of any of the Potemkin proposals under consideration, and he cautions Democrats to propose a simpler, more easily understood plan the next time they get the chance.

    And there will be a next time. You can count on that.

    Hey, ColoradoPols could help focus our leaders if they could get over how stoopid Republicans are. 

    1. Maybe he is hiding in the same place as his buddy, Civics -101…the one that, three days ago, challenged me to a cogent, non-insulting response and then fled the scene when I presented one exposing him as a political hack and obvious liar….proving that he deserves the insults he so decries.



  3. Democratic white flight.

    Now here is a solution to the Dems problems:

    Democrats must provide “training” that focuses in part on teaching Americans “how to be sensitive and how to shut their mouths if they are white,” urged the executive director of Idaho’s Democratic Party, Sally Boynton Brown, who is white. 

    The event’s moderator, MSNBC’s Joy Ann Reid, asked the candidates how the party should handle the Black Lives Now movement. 

    The candidates uniformly emphasized that the party must embrace the activists unreservedly. 


    1. Do you delight in the lurch to the Alt-Right? The Nazis coming out from under their rocks, the bigots gathering to cheer on Alex Jones and his ilk–now in the inner circle? 

      It lets you dance even closer to the edge of the blatant bias you hold inside as part of your rotten core.

      Am I right? 

    2. From the uncorrected closed-captioning of the event (video here).

      (1:17:58) Black lives matter and it makes me sad that we're even having that conversation and that tells me that white leaders in our party have failed. We have to accept there is pred prejudice in our party. We cannot smash voices down when they are trying to scream, listen to me, you don't get it. I'm a white woman. I don't get it. I am pleased and honored to be here today to have the conversation. I am so excited that we're here. And i'm listening. Because that's my job. My job is to listen to the issues. [ applause ]

      My job is to listen and be a voice and shut other white people down when they want to interrupt. My job is to shut other white people down when they want to say, oh, no, I'm not cat and accepting. Until we shut our mouths and listen to those people who don't and lift our people up so that we all have equity in this country, so that we're all fighting alongside each other, so that we are all on the same page and we clearly get where we're going, we're not going to breakthrough this. This is not just rhetoric. This is life or death.

      This moment in our country, the democratic party has the opportunity to do something different. We have the opportunity to really confront the fact that we have not been in alignment with our values. We've been talking a lot of smack. We need to make sure that our actions and our words and our values all match and around the issue of race we are so far out of alignment, i don't even know the way back, but i am listening and asking and talking to people.

      I am talking to people of color because you have the answers, you can tell me as a leader what i need to do and that's exactly what i'm going to do. Is continue to have those conversations and continue to talk to people and make sure that every single system in our party is designed to give power back to the people. All people but especially those people who have been disenfranchised in our country since our country started. So please, please, please, please this is a conversation i want to have and i am from idaho. We are so white. [ laughter ]


      Jamu hit this right on. The thing we're missing in this para party is training. We pulled people in that are volunteers. They don't know anything and we send them out to have conversations with people, hard conversations. We promote them to chair of a party where they have power and they have no clue what they are doing. We have to at the dnc provide training. We have to teach them how to communicate. How to be sensitive and how to shut their mouths if they are white. So i think i made my point. [Emphasis mine, context by Reality].

      1. Inelegant, but largely accurate. The DNC needs to listen more, not less, to those at the grass roots level. The context here is black lives matter, but it applies equally to any number of demographic blocks in our society. Republicans like to call them special interest groups, but when you combine ethnic minorities with women with the "47%" with college grads with massive loan debt, etc., you're talking about a large majority of Americans. Trump's success at the polls came from pitting groups against each other. Dem success will come from uniting them. 

      2. Thanks for sharing the link for the forum. It appears they are all on the same page. More organizing, more identify politics, more racial animus, more process development. They are all highly qualified to be the DNC Chair in the modern era.

  4. Keep them protests going.  They are working.


    Trump Approval Index History per Rasmussen


    24-Jan-17       +9

    23-Jan-17       +4

    20-Jan-17       +2



    1. Andy!!!  Buddy!!!  Pal!!!! Komrade!!!!   Those look like awesome numbers.  But you really want to show these people, maybe you could post a link to where you got those numbers from.  It will underscore the confidence you have in our Great Ruler!!!!

    2. Hey AC, Are those the KC Royals pitching stats you just posted? 

      But AC, your laughing stock of a president did set a new ABSOLUTE UNCONTESTED RECORD for (un)popularity:

      “President Donald Trump is the first elected president in Gallup’s polling history to receive an initial job approval rating below the majority level. He starts his term in office with 45% of Americans approving of the way he is handling his new job, 45% disapproving and 10% yet to form an opinion. Trump now holds the record for the lowest initial job approval rating as well as the highest initial disapproval rating in Gallup surveys dating back to Dwight D. Eisenhower.

      That, combined with the 3-5 million illegals that voted for Hillary, and the 3-5 million women that marched against him means there are a lot of people that really hate having a Buffoon (to use Senator Cory Gardner’s term) in the office of the President, don’t you agree?

    3. Comrade trumphumper,

      Your continuing attempts to 'convince' others of your 'rightness' using worthless shit like Rassy polls remains both quaint and incoherent.

      Your fear, like that of your oily, deplorable ilk, remains palpable.

      Like your Dear Leader, you lack all confidence. But don’t worry, Commie Boy. It’ll stay our little secret…

  5. Lawmakers in Eight States Have Proposed Laws Criminalizing Peaceful Protest

    In Colorado, Republican state Sen. Jerry Sonnenberg has introduced a bill that would greatly increase penalties for environmental protesters. Under the proposed law, obstructing or tampering with oil and gas equipment would be reclassified from a misdemeanor to a “class 6” felony, a category of crime that reportedly can be punished by up to 18 months behind bars and a fine of up to $100,000. …

    Although Sonnenberg’s bill touts itself largely as a public safety measure and makes no mention of protesters, its language broadly includes anyone who “attempts to alter, obstruct, interrupt, or interfere with the action of any equipment used or associated with oil or gas gathering operations.” In addition to imposing potentially significant terms of imprisonment and fines on anyone engaging in such activity, the bill also includes a clause appearing to buttress the ability of oil and gas firms to pursue their own separate claims against a protester who is also being prosecuted by the state.

      1. Sonnenberg doesn't care what people think, even his constituents. Assuming such a crazy bill actually makes it out of the Senate; which is not a sure thing; the House will kill it. Better to alert your state representative that it's been introduced.

  6. Hey, thanks, GOP, for nominating a gigantic unstable man-baby and giving him the nuclear codes.

    From Steve Benen's blog 1/24/17

    Trump struggles badly to pass a test of presidential maturity

    As Donald Trump settles into his new presidential duties, people close to him are offering insights into how he's making the transition into one of the world's most difficult jobs. Politico, for example, had this unnerving report.

    One person who frequently talks to Trump said aides have to push back privately against his worst impulses in the White House, like the news conference idea, and have to control information that may infuriate him. He gets bored and likes to watch TV, this person said, so it is important to minimize that.

    This person said that a number of people close to him don't like saying no — but that it has to be done.

    "You can't do it in front of everyone," this person said. "He's never going to admit he's wrong in front of everyone. You have to pull him aside and tell him why he's wrong, and then you can get him to go along with you. These people don't know how to get him to do what they need him to do."

    This is, by the way, a Trump ally, describing the new president as if he hasn't quite reached preadolescence. As the story goes, he's surrounded by aides who effectively serve as babysitters, distracting Trump to help him steer clear of trouble.

    An Axios report added this morning, "[T]he notion he will surrender the remote, or Twitter, or his grievances with reporters is pure fantasy. Aides talk of giving him 'better choices' or jamming his schedule with meetings to keep him away from reading about or watching himself on TV. "

    But like some preadolescents, Trump also has intemperate tendencies and mood swings. The New York Times reported over the weekend that the new president "grew increasingly angry on Inauguration Day after reading a series of Twitter messages pointing out that the size of his inaugural crowd did not rival that of Mr. Obama's in 2009. But he spent his Friday night in a whirlwind of celebration and affirmation. When he awoke on Saturday morning, after his first night in the Executive Mansion, the glow was gone, several people close to him said, and the new president was filled anew with a sense of injury."

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