Friday Open Thread

“We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out.”

–Winston Churchill

32 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. FrankUnderwood says:

    WTF….. Hillary started this week in reasonably good shape in the polls, gets the coveted endorsement from Bernie Sanders on Tuesday and her numbers have been tanking since then. 

    • mamajama55 says:

      It matters which questions the polls are asking:

      Do you like Hillary Clinton? Do you trust Hillary Clinton? will receive lower-numbered answers than

      Will you vote for Hillary Clinton?

      I would be among the voters answering "No" to the first two, and "Yes" to the third.

      Nobody ever asks about policy in these polls; if they did, I’d approve of some policies she’s promoted, and disapprove of others. She is also a flip-flopper, so policy approval would have to be time -sensitive.

      Also, like it or not, there is a sizeable contingent – I’d guess maybe 5-10%) of Bernie supporters who will be voting for Jill Stein of the Green party in the Presidential election.

    • BlueCat says:

      There is a lag. Many polls conducted over several days still mainly reflect the negatives from the e-mail scandal with Comey letting her off the legal hook but calling it really bad judgement. Wait a while. Things will probably look worse before they look better with the GOP convention coming first. Maybe take a brief break from checking polls.

      • Davie says:

        Actually, HuffPollster has Hillary sweeping several swing states, so the trend isn't all that bad:

        HUFFPOLLSTER: Hillary Clinton Leads In Diverse Battleground States

        The Democratic candidate has solid polling leads in Colorado, Virginia and North Carolina. Florida is less clear.

        • BlueCat says:

          RCP also has HRC ahead in North Carolina, Virginia and some other swings that will make it very hard for Trump and those include the time of the bad e-mail press. And Bennet's numbers have gone from good to great… two polls a couple of days apart give him +15, both newer than the +6, his low.  Now that Pence is the pick Dems will make sure that everybody knows how truly extreme he is, not just anti-choice and anti–gay but even anti-birth control and believes that the US should be governed by Christian "Sharia" law. His brand, of course. 

          He may be more polite in his speech and refined in his manner but in almost every way that really counts he's the biggest loon of all among the final three.

      • Voyageur says:

        Blue Cat nailed it.   Hillary dodged an indictment but "Hillary dodges indictment" ain't the best of news. plus, conventions usually give a bump, though a short one.  Trump in Cleveland may be a disaster for him, or street riots could benefit him on "lawn ordure" campaign.  Then Hillary will name a veep, have a love fest on philly, and get her own (probably short-lived ) bump.

        For now, forget national polls and look at underlying strength in swing states.   Trump has irreversibly alienated Latinos and women.  You just can't do that, especially women, and win a national election.   Or so it has always been.

  2. Conserv. Head Banger says:

    Now official via Yahoo! News. Mike Pence will be Trump's running mate. I'm not impressed. If Trump wanted a qualified Hoosier, he should have solicited Mitch Daniels. But, we all know Daniels is smart enough to keep his distance from Trump and has a great job already; president of Purdue University.

    • JohnInDenver says:

      Trump apparently IS serious about his CEO approach to governing. He'll do the big picture and leave the administration to others.

      Mike Pence appears to be a competent administrator – at least, I haven't heard of scandals among his most trusted advisors or trying to run a scam University course, like others who had been considered. He does seem to show up on time. He has shown some sensitivity to disasters, showing up, lowering flags to half staff, and the like. He had the skills needed to become chairman of the House Republican Conference. He can delegate – in Indiana, he has four deputy chiefs of staff.

      • Davie says:

        And he's a devout believer in Christian Sharia Law.  Between Trump and Pence we could have a Theocratic Police state just like Daesh!

        • Conserv. Head Banger says:

          JohnInDenver: I can't come up with any details on short notice. But, I have read that Pence drank some of the Brownback kool-aid when it came to funding education. Pence also has not measured up well against his predecessor, Mitch Daniels, regarding general competency. It's worth checking into, which I'm sure the Clinton campaign will do.

          • Davie says:

            Here you go CHB — all you would want to know about Dimwit Pence:

            Mike Pence who, when asked if he believes in evolution, had to repeat the question, before giving a nonsensical response.

            Mike Pence who either didn’t read, or didn’t understand, that he signed a law that requires women to bury or cremate their periods, if they contain a fertilized egg, leading to the Periods for Pence movement.

            It isn’t so much that Mike Pence is a lightweight in the brains department.

            It’s that Mike Pence is a lightweight in the brains department, and also ridiculously incompetent.

            “Indiana GOP to Trump: Take Mike Pence, Please!”

            Like the former Congressional staffer above, the people of Indiana and Republicans found out, pretty darned quick, that Mike Pence is as inept and bumbling as he is lacking in intellect.


            • mamajama55 says:

              I am loving the "Periods for Pence" movement – and pondering how to make it work in Colorado.

              Should women call Cory Gardner and ask him way-TMI questions about their use of contraception and Plan B?

              To wit:

              Good morning, Senator Gardner's office, how may I assist you?

              Well, I just wanted to check in with Senator Gardner because my boyfriend and I were wondering which birth control we should get because Gardner said some kinds kill a "person" under Federal law, which he voted against, but then they're OK under Colorado law, and he said he's all about the Colorado birth control. So I was just wondering which type of birth control the Senator would recommend for us in our particular situation?


              We have sex a few times a week, usually intercourse but sometimes other types, if that makes a difference. For instance…

              I'll certainly pass that along. Click.


              Guys and gays could get in on this action, too. Using the “Every sperm is sacred” meme, they could call in and ask what, legally, they should do with ejaculate from masturbation? Should it be frozen? Buried in a Christian ceremony? Blessed? Exorcised? What?

              Mike Coffman might be able to dispense some medical advice, too.  He is now a self-proclaimed expert in which types of health care women should receive at hospitals..

              • notaskinnycook says:

                Another country heard from:


                Has everyone forgotten, or did they miss the boycott of Indiana after Pence signed one of those "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" horrors? Several states (including this one) banned travel to IN, conferences and conventions were moved, and the NCAA almost moved the Final Four. They've already said, "Fix it, or we won't be back." All together Pence cost the state billions in business and tourism.  This is the seasoned politician His Hairness chose? More likely a bone to the religionists, who think Trump has the morals of an alley cat.

  3. DaftPunk says:

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    When you don't want to #CatchEmAll, condoms help prevent pregnancy and STDs. #PokemonGO 

  4. Zappatero says:

    Our nation's discourse

    Republican officials will lie to the president's face, take the word of a Limbaugh or a Levin over provable, recorded facts/audio/video, and try to go on their merry way. 

    Obama would have none of it this week: 

    During ABC's town hall on policing and race Thursday night, Lt. Governor Dan Patrick made it his business to scold President Obama for not letting police know "in his heart" that he supported them.

    Taking an arrogant posture, Patrick proceeded to lecture President Obama on how to respond to police shootings, telling him to “consider being careful when there is an incident of not being too quick to condemn the police without due process and until the facts are known.”


    Obama responded by smacking down his entire assertion, saying that he’s been “unequivocal” in condemning anti-police rhetoric, he’s always shown support law enforcement, and would be happy to send Patrick the evidence of such.

    Patrick insisted cops need to “know it in their heart.”

    The president said he has been consistent in calling for fair treatment, but that “in the aggregate” there are clear racial disparities in the justice system.aid yesterday were not the ones Patrick quoted, but were, instead, a good deal more nuanced:

    As Tommy Christopher notes, Patrick misquoted and misstated what the president said at the panel discussion he held on policing and race the day before.

    It's a never-ending job trying to rebut the lies of today's Republican Party that politicizes every event, action, policy. They lie willfully and without any hesitation and are backed up by a phalanx of Lie Enforcers in their media. But, they also accuse Dems of same in order to escape via the "both sides do it" dodge. 

    Democrats have to refudiate (sic) this crap until the press decides it really is their job. Both sides don't do it, and our side needs to make it clear every goddamned, lie-filled day.

  5. Davie says:

    In Non-Trump news, the coup in Turkey appears to have succeeded.  Reports of strongman Erdogan fleeing the country with his family just  coming in.

    If I recall, the military actually supports secular democracy, so Erdogan's theocratic strongman rule lost him his support.  The recent terrorist attacks proving that the concentration of power in one man was not providing the advertised benefits of greater security.


    • Conserv. Head Banger says:

      Erdogan has tried very hard to emasculate the Turkish military, but obviously has not been successful. Yes, the military supports secular democracy and the vision of Ataturk, the country's founder.

    • BlueCat says:

      The secular military and the recent religious regime of Erdogan have never been on the same page.  Don't approve of military coups but also don't approve of the direction Erdogan was dragging his country. He was democratically elected, though. But I have a friend over there right now. He's a professor who goes there to write and research every summer, and if it's relatively short and decisive without general bloody civil war breaking out …and it looks like the former… then my friend can just stay where he is, keep his head down and come out when its' safe. He's keeping us posted and doesn't feel in any danger at the moment.

      • Conserv. Head Banger says:

        As of this morning; Denver time; appears the coup may be fizzling out. If so, then Erdogan's hand is strengthened.

        • Diogenesdemar says:

          Maybe pre-Internet, YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, et al . . . 

          . . . no way today, when your military's just proved its ablity to plot and undertake an overthrow, and you’ve now subsequently lost at least 3,000 of your troops to arrest and detention, does this strengthen your hand as an unpopular autocrat, either at home or in the eyes of the rest of the world . . .

          The weakness of the support for your ruling position is now word on the street. The clock is ticking . . .

  6. FrankUnderwood says:

    Oy vey….. Ivanka Trump's rabbi has joined Tim Tebow, John Kasich, the entire Bush family and many others in declining invitations to address the Republican National Convention next week. At least they still have Daryl Glenn, Ted Cruz, Melonia Trump, Mike Pence and the Donald to fill the time.

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