Tuesday Open Thread

“Do not run a campaign that would embarrass your mother.”

–Robert Byrd

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  1. Whiskey Lima Juliet says:

    The Democratic National Committee today updated the Count the Lies counter after CNN called John McCain’s false claim that Barack Obama has offered no plan for the financial crisis “misleading.”  In fact, not only has Senator Obama “voiced specific ideas about the bailout plan,” but McCain’s campaign has taken a “wait and see ” stance similar to Obama’s.

    This article is at least the 63rd fact check to debunk McCain campaign lies since he promised to run a respectful campaign in February.



    McCain Claim on Response to Economic Crisis “Misleading.”  “At a town hall meeting Monday, September 22, in Scranton, Pennsylvania, Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain hit his Democratic rival, Sen. Barack Obama, on the financial crisis. ‘Sen. Obama has declined to put forth a plan of his own,’ McCain said. ‘In a time of crisis, when leadership is needed, Sen. Obama has simply not provided it.’  The Facts: Obama has said several times since the recent Wall Street meltdown that, in meeting with top economists, he was encouraged to not roll out a specific plan for fear of overly politicizing work of the Congress on a government bailout of financial firms. He has, however, offered ideas for the plan — including limiting pay for executives of businesses that are bailed out by the government and making sure the effort includes a specific plan for the money to be repaid. Verdict: Misleading. Obama has voiced specific ideas about the bailout plan and McCain’s campaign has taken a ‘wait and see’ stance similar to Obama’s.”

    CNN, 9/22/08: http://politicalticker.blogs.c

  2. Canines says:

    THE MYTH: “[Governor Sarah Palin] took the luxury jet that was acquired by her predecessor and sold it on eBay. And made a profit!” – John McCain, at a campaign stop in Wisconsin

    THE FACTS: No one bought the jet online. It was eventually sold through an aircraft broker – at a loss to taxpayers of nearly $600,000.


  3. DavidThi808 says:

    from Politico

    Speaking on the House floor earlier today, Democratic Rep. Brad Sherman of California warned Congress not to blindly approve the estimated $700 billion bailout plan, which he called “the most generous power grab a Wall Street executive has ever asked for.”

    From the other end of the political spectrum, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) warned today that the bailout could “make matters much worse by socializing an entire sector of the U.S. economy.”

    “Most Americans are paying their bills on time and investing responsibly and should not be forced to pay for the reckless actions of some on Wall Street, especially when no one can guarantee this will solve our current problems,” DeMint said. “This plan will not only cause our nation to fall off the debt cliff, it could send the value of the dollar into a free-fall as investors around the world question our ability to repay our debts.”

    Republican Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana issued a statement over the weekend acknowledging that the “markets are in turmoil” but arguing that “nationalizing every bad mortgage in America is not the answer.”

  4. DavidThi808 says:

    from The Independent

    Up to 10,000 staff at the New York office of the bankrupt investment bank Lehman Brothers will share a bonus pool set aside for them that is worth $2.5bn (ВЈ1.4bn), Barclays Bank, which is buying the business, confirmed last night.

    So apparently the skill to make investments so bad it drives Lehman out of business – is worth 2.5 Billion in bonuses. I guess it is a rare skill to be that bad at your job…

    • parsingreality says:

      I have no problem with rewarding competentcy.

      I have a huge problem rewarding incompetentcy.  

    • Barron X says:


      those bonuses are being paid out of Barclay’s pocket.

      I’m not a Barclay’s shareholder.

      What I would find really objectionable,

      and what I’m pretty sure is in the offing,

      is for the federal government to bail out a firm,

      and then those who ran it into the ground getting bonuses out of the US Treasury.


      • Fidel's dirt nap says:

        I could be wrong, but nontheless they will be allowed to be paid out and not seized as assets by the US government, since feds will be/are bailing them out they should own these assets.  However, it is the same difference in that they keep their obnoxious bonuses while we pay for their incompetence.

        Profits for uber rich/consequences and losses for the poor and middle class.  Kinda like a REAL IRONIC SUPER-EVIL ROBIN HOOD.

        How does Paulson not see this as wrong, I have no idea.

  5. DavidThi808 says:

    from The Washington Post George Will starts with:

    Under the pressure of the financial crisis, one presidential candidate is behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high. It is not Barack Obama.

    And ends with:

    It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?

    And the part in between lays it out in detail. Remember – George Will is a conservative.

  6. Whiskey Lima Juliet says:

    The right time is about a month to a month and half before the election.  Before that period anything can happen. (Well, anything can happen at any point) However, it is important that a majority of voters are looking at a candidate favorably at the right moment. And that moment is now.

    Obama has his momentum back.  But not the flashy, star appeal he has carried throughout the election.  He is now being seen as the calm, guiding leadership voice.  McCain is showing what all of us on the blog have known all along.  His temper and inability to remain calm would be his unhinging.

    What do I mean by that?  He over reacts to situations no matter how simple.  Calling his wife a trollop and cunt because she commented on his loss of hair, wanting to fire the SEC chair without an understanding of the entire situation.  Even his “Maverick” title is not a good thing when discussing the Presidency.  I want a President that calmly looks at a situation, polls his advisors and then makes an informed decision about the direction we will follow.

    The black and white picture of JFK and RFK discussing the Cuban Missile Crisis is one of my favorites.  The intensity of both men looking at each other and discussion all options and all consequences is how I see the most important office in the world.

    The POTUS and the decisions he /she makes effects the entire world.  The little boy in India and the King of Jordan are all affected by the POTUS ability to make an informed judgment. Not a rash, knee jerk reaction to an emotional situation.

    John McCain has throughout his life made decisions that have cost him dearly.

    As a vet, this next line is hard for me to say, but here goes.

    From what I understand the reason McCain was shot down was he went further than his orders told him to go.  He was a Maverick and it cost him five years of his life.  It may have also cost other soldiers and sailors lives.  I am not sure what his mission was; however, military combat is based on the fact that all units and personnel do what is expected and what is ordered.  That is how you come out alive.

    I could be wrong about this, but from what I understand McCain chose to go too far and risked an entire combat battalion in the process.

    I do not want someone putting my country, my family in harms way because he made a rash conclusion.  Over 4100 families have paid that price for a Maverick Bush Administration.  I will not use my vote to put a Maverick in office.

  7. Whiskey Lima Juliet says:

    Looks like CNN and AP are going to play the silly games Palin /McCain want to play.

    Crash and Burn, Baby.  Crash and Burn!

    NEW YORK – Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, who has not held a press conference in nearly four weeks of campaigning, on Tuesday banned reporters from her first meetings with world leaders, allowing access only to photographers and a television crew.

    CNN, which was providing the television coverage for news organizations, decided to pull its TV crew, effectively denying Palin the high visibility she had sought.

    On the job training provided by the US Gov’t in a time of military and financial crisis…

    Palin planned to meet Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Colombian President Alvaro Uribe in New York on Tuesday as the United Nations General Assembly convenes this week. She also was expected to meet with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

    Those sessions and meetings scheduled for Wednesday are part of the Republican campaign’s effort to give Palin experience in foreign affairs. (WTF, I mean REALLY!!)She has never met a foreign head of state and first traveled outside North America just last year.

    The press is finally growing a pair!

    At least two news organizations, including The Associated Press, objected and were told that the decision was not subject to discussion.


  8. Danny the Red (hair) says:

    Palin reached deep into the civil service process to deny Chief Monegan workman’s camp claim.

    She is a vindictive power mad disaster.


  9. Car 31 says:

    Who else gets a kick out of Al White’s campaign sun shades on his car?

    For those who haven’t seen it – there’s a sun shade for the back window saying “Al White for State Senate” but what cracks me up is the side window shade.  It looks like the window is open and Al is waving to everyone with a big ol’ grin on his face.


  10. Laughing Boy says:

    Ok history buffs – what’s wrong with this video…?

  11. Haywood JBM says:

    That on or about 10/5 that Joe Biden will drop out of the VP race for “Health Reasons” and that Obama will be putting up Hillary in the spot?

    I know it is probably bullshit, but I have gotten this via email about a half dozen times in the last week and wanted to see what the bloggers here think about it.

  12. The realist says:

    McCain Aide’s Firm Was Paid by Freddie Mac

    One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years.


  13. DavidThi808 says:

    from Breitbart

    A lawyer was suspended for more than a year for accepting nude dances from a stripper as partial payment for the legal fees she owed him.

  14. PERA hopeful says:

    Talked to a very nice woman who unfortunately is voting for McCain.  She likes Obama and really agrees with the things he says he will do, but there’s no way he’ll be able to do them, so she will vote for McCain, figuring he’ll do pretty much the same things Bush has done.

    Can anyone explain this to me?  I weep for our country.

    • I can’t help you there.

      Realistically, perhaps this person hasn’t been affected by the realities of life under Shrub and does not pay close attention to world and national news.  Under those conditions, McCain represents “floating along,” with no regard to what exactly we’re floating in or what might be about to affect that environment.

  15. redstateblues says:

    The FBI has started investigating AIG, Fannie and Freddy, and Lehman Bros.


    I’ll be interested to see what they find out.

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