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February 02, 2015 06:40 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

"Since we cannot change reality, let us change the eyes which see reality."

–Nikos Kazantzakis

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18 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. Will the real President Obama please stand up.

    Legacy Play or Untethered Progressive?

    If these contradictions were a minefield, he'd blow himself up. Which is the "real Obama"? If the more progressive Obama is the "realer" one, then he really is a traitor — both to us for the last six years, given how he allowed himself to be painted in 2008, and to himself and his presumed progressive values, for governing as his opposite.

    I'd respect him a lot more if the "real" Obama were the one who spoke to a roomful of Robert Rubins in 2006 and declared himself a "strong free trader" (in those words) and a Social Security reformer (in easily translated code). Click the video above and give a listen; the real Robert Rubin was in the room (he's "Bob").

    If Hamilton Project Obama is the real one, he'd at least get points for consistency, for fooling us consistently, and the wildly inconsistent language I quoted above would make more sense.

    For memory's sake …
     

    Is that the real Obama, the one with the Will.I.Am overlay? Or is it just too confusing to think so? Me, I have much more respect for the man. I'm going to treat him as a functioning, consistent adult and choose "legacy play" as his current motivation. That man I understand.

    'fraid the evidence seems clear at this point: Obama was too cute by half in the conceit that he could use populist rhetoric to get elected (twice) to the presidency, then contradict the rhetoric and "vote his district" by leaving in place, or even growing, the Democratic Party's sympathy for our nation's Economic Royalists. (Dems can be rich, too, but it seems as though these "new money" Dems aren't quite as confident as an "old money" Roosevelt could be under similar circumstances.) 

    The problem with that common conceit is that voters eventually figure out what you're doing to them. We can see this in Tea Party primary threats to even those who they loved 6 months ago and in Democratic voters who refused to give another term to those who they put in office 6 years ago.

    This is the dilemma Mikey Bennet wakes up to every day, and so far he's acting like he can pull off what Obama can barely contain. And Bennet ain't no where near the politician Barack is.

  2. Dear AC. Another day, another small uptick in the RCP average Obama job approval rating. Since November is it's been on a steady march from about 41% to about 46% and would be higher with the dramatic improvement in the Gallup if not held down by a couple of very low outlier's from conservative financial publications. Gallup has moved into positive territory for Obama more often than not in recent days. Is this why you never refer to your formerly beloved RCP anymore? Because it shows that what your side is selling is accomplishing the opposite of what you intended?

    1. RCP average ticked up again since this morning, AC. From 46.1 o 46.2. Just in case you haven't noticed. Yesterday it was 46. A couple of weeks ago 44ish. Your GOTP majority congress RCP approval average is 16.5.  It doesn't look like Obama's latest moves and pronouncements are adversely affecting public perception much. Pretty much everybody agrees your majority GOTP congress is composed of a bunch of dicks, though. 

      1. I saw a lot of balance when he was trying to throw someone in jail for having travelled to a country with a disease he was scared of.  I guess he'd want vaccinations if it were for ebola.  Measles are fine though because he's vaccinated.

  3. I still don't have an answer from his buddy the Modrat about why big O&G shouldn't follow zoning regulations. They (the GOP) are so busy looking for bandaids, their PPD has been dwindling of late. They just don't have time to sit around and make shit up anymore…

    This behavior by the GOP is sort of the same thing you see when you throw a fresh bucket of slop to the hogs (take that, Joni) and the rootin' and slobberin' gets going.  

  4. Democratic Party post-mortem, Part XCV:

    Bill Curry, two-time Democratic nominee for governor in Connecticut and a former Clinton White House advisor, explores how progressives might reinvigorate the "corrupt and empty husk" of the Democratic Party. Somehow the four groups he believes make up the Democratic voting block must learn to nice together:

    The first likes the Democratic Party and is, as it says, ready for Hillary. The second works with Democrats but puts Hillary somewhere in a line that runs from ‘flawed candidate’ to ‘spawn of Satan.’ The third thinks Democrats hopelessly corrupt and backs independents or third parties. The fourth has given up on politics. If the last isn’t the largest group it’s the fastest growing. If we don’t get it back, we don’t win.

    Count me in the second group, I guess. But it's the Monday after the Super Bowl and the weekly work commute beckons, so I'll just leave you with this:

    Two points mean even more than all of that. The first is that Democrats can’t count on a flood tide of presidential turnout. As with our economy, the crisis of our democracy is structural, not cyclical. In 2014, millions of voters stayed home not out of laziness but as a conscious choice born of profound civic alienation.

    (And this is not because we can't reach that happy middle, where unicorns reside and bipartisan budget cuts reign. Both sides don't "do it" as our senior senator keeps pleading. Their side keeps moving right, and we let them drag us their, complaining mildly, but not doing much else.-ed) 

     It won’t do just to scold them. We must persuade them that what we have on offer is genuine reform. The Democratic establishment is ill equipped to make that case.

    The second point is that far from being a threat, a free and open debate progressive debate may be the Democrats’ salvation. Democrats are supposed to be the party of change but life in the bubble taught them to resist change. For nearly a century progressives made the policies that Democrats made into laws. As they became domesticated to Washington and the Democrats, they stopped challenging their keepers with new ideas and reminders of old values. A once vital symbiosis turned morbidly parasitical. It’s time to get things back the way they were.

    Hate to harp on this, ppl, but these are for my "I told you so" posts in late December, 2016. 

    1. Completely agree wth this:

      And this is not because we can't reach that happy middle, where unicorns reside and bipartisan budget cuts reign. Both sides don't "do it" as our senior senator keeps pleading. Their side keeps moving right, and we let them drag us their, complaining mildly, but not doing much else.-ed) 

       It won’t do just to scold them. We must persuade them that what we have on offer is genuine reform. The Democratic establishment is ill equipped to make that case.

      Also that open debate would be good. That and aggressive messaging on Dem policies might make a few more voters aware that the things they support in polls are things Dems support and Rs oppose. Then maybe they'd stop voting for the people who are against what they say they want.

      1. You're giving them too much credi–them being the low info voters.  The Repubs just lie and say, no, no it's the dems who want to end Social Security, say, for instance.  And voters fall for the lies over and over again.

          1. Just because Dems have been letting them get away with it for decades. There is no law of physics or anything else that says only righties can do aggressive messaging that gets through. For decades Dems have accepted that this is a conservative leaning nation and instead of aggressively attacking rightie spin they've been groveling and begging to be seen as almost as conservative as the righties.

            Well, now polls show majorities support most progressive policies even if they don't know they're progressive policies and disagree with conservative policies even if they think they like conservatives better. Dems could fix that if they grew a pair.  Why should it just work one way? 

            Whose fault is it that people in some states voted for a minimum wage raise (A Dem policy) and also for the Republican candidate (against minimum wage raise).  People also support gay marriage and vote for pols who don't. They support the right to choose and vote for pols who don't. They poll for background checks and recall background check supporters in favor of background check opposers. the list goes on and on.

            The GOTP has the balls to staunchly stand by and push their policies  no matter how ridiculous, and they attack like pit bulls with never a worry about not looking bi-partisan enough. Once again, there's no law that says only Rs can be tough and aggressive.

            1. exactamundo. 

              Dems assumed for many years that if a policy made sense and worked that voters would automatically like it. That hasn't been true for a while. 

              But now we know that even if it is working, R's will lie about it and try to repeal it anyway. Ted Cruz lies about "Obamacare" every time he's asked about it and he will never stop lying about it. He just submitted a repeal law in the senate with 44 co-sponsors. 

              Should Dems compromise with R's on that?

              It is way past time for our guys to respond to the b.s. That includes those who think they're above petty politics and who don't want to insult their friends in congress. They don't see that their "friends" insult us and insult our democracy every frickin' day. 

              The fact the voters chose progressive policies but rejected Democrats across the nation (the few election highlights for Dems were Progressive winners) shows that the bigtime consultants in DC were complete failures at messaging and strategy – again. They should give back the money they got paid and the candidates who wasted our money on such pitiful campaigns should send it back to us.

  5. Senator Grassley "current Obamacare challenge is ridiculous                       Grassley's views were first reported by Steven Brill, the author of a recent book on the Affordable Care Act, during an appearance last week on MSNBC. Brill was discussing King v. Burwell, a lawsuit that seeks to cut off tax subsidies that help millions of Americans pay for health insurance in states that opted to have the federal government set up their health exchange rather than doing it themselves. According to Brill, when he asked Grassley about King, the senator initially "didn't even know what the suit was about."

    Once Brill explained the suit to Grassley, the senator responded "oh, that's ridiculous. We obviously meant that the subsidies would go to the federal exchange and not just the state exchange," according to Brill.

    Nor was Grassley alone in this view. Rather, Brill says that when the suit was filed, he asked "all the Republican staffers" who worked on the bill about this suit, and "they laughed at it."

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