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October 28, 2014 06:30 AM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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"Exaggeration is a blood relation to falsehood and nearly as blamable."

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  1. From the NYT First Draft this a.m.:  "Some Republicans say privately that Hispanics were undersampled in polls showing a Gardner victory."  (emphasis added).

    Sorry to rain on your parade, AC…aw, heck, no I'm not!

      1. Oh, I'm plenty cheery already.  Hick is going to beat Beauprez like a cheap drum; and–based on what SUSA candidly admitted is an inability on pollsters' parts to survey the Latino voting community accurately–Udall will eke out a too-close victory over your shiny happy Chauncey (the Gardner).  And then, mercifully, you'll depart these premises.

        Cheers!

            2. You beat me to the punchline, OTD – there will be more people moving in to the new area surrounding Union Station than voted for secession in all of the counties outside of Weld. The map is very WIF-esque: a single dimension troll posting a two-dimension map trying to pawn it off to a three-dimension world.

              1. Yes, again, TrollScum is very careful cherry-picker.

                Like when he claims incorrectly that Senator Udall voted with President Obama 99% of the time, what the assworm refuses to tell you is that Con Man Cory Gardner voted with the hated and despised extreme wingnut John Boehner about 95% to 97% of the time! How terribly, terribly convenient for him somehow to have "forgotten" that FACT.

  2. "I will build that pipeline if I have to myself."
    ~Willard "Mitt" Romney, two-time failed Presidential candidate, on Keystone XL

    A little Mittens humor to start our one-week countdown to election (we all know that Mittens isn't going to get any dirt under his fingernails building a pipeline) – and a reminder of the competing visions on our energy future between the two Senate candidates.  One denies man's contribution to climate change and believes our future lies at the tip of a drill bit, the other looks "up" to our inexhaustible wind, solar, geothermal and biomass resources; resources that unlock the real potential of Yankee ingenuity.

    #romneyinalandslide

    1. Renewable energy is just around the corner, Elon Musk is one of the pioneers of the new age. MB recently posted the role of storage for wind energy. The giga factory (5 billion in Reno NV) of Tesla batteries will have 15 gigawatts (out of 50 giga watt production, 2020) capacity directed towards stationary use. (storing wind energy.). The rest of production towards, EV s (cars) and other appliances.

      1. "The future"…(you'll notice there are a lot of Koch-related activities on the left of this picture; none on the right).  That is precisely why they must have a Senate and House infested with their wholly-owned subsidiaries. 

  3. The nation's leading (most popular) politician was in Denver yesterday, I hope someone can provide at least part of the transcript. Why? because he is a master of messaging, in my view and others, saved the 2012 re election of PBO in the convention speech..

    Americans are 60% dissatisfied with the country. Some of the blame may fall on their own shoulders, or at least unable to correctly connect the current malaise with its cause. And that is speaking solely of the number one issue ( again this election cycle)  economic unfairness.

     A Brookings institute spokesman said recently that no party or person can speak to the double effect of of globalization & automation regarding the distribution of wealth.

    4. Who cares? How long do you think Gardner and other Repugs will last when they try to eliminate Social Security, bowing to the wishes of their masters the Koch Bros? 

  5. May Third Way and No Labels forever burn in Hell.

    Democrats should to learn a lesson from this year's election campaigns: Democrats should be Democrats. Democrats should not try to run away from the things Democrats stand for. It doesn't work.

    Supporting Republicans ideas is not going to win you Republican votes. It won't stop Republicans from calling you a socialist, communist, extremist, whatever. And it is not going to give you any cover at all when the public gets their chance to weigh in. If you do things the public doesn't like it is going to come back and bite you. Unless you are campaigning for the job of post-defeat lobbyist, embracing Republican ideas so you can call yourself a "moderate" or a "centrist" buys you nothing.

    Exhibit A: the "centrist" Simpson-Bowles deficit-cutting plan. Right now Republicans are running campaign ads attacking Democrats who supported the Simpson-Bowles deficit-cutting plan, because it proposed "entitlement reform" that would cut Social Security and Medicare benefits and raise the retirement age.

    Here is a Republicans ad running in North Carolina. "Hagan is a big believer in a controversial plan that raises the retirement age…" referring to the Simpson-Bowles deficit reduction plan:

    Here is a Republican ad running in Georgia attacking John Barrow for supporting Simpson-Bowles:

    Democrats should never forget that Republicans have been running ad after ad after attack ad like these, going after Democrats who supported deficit "entitlement reform."

    Exhibit B: In Arkansas Sen. Mark Pryor voted against background checks for people buying guns at gun shows. How did that work out? Answer: The National Rifle Association (NRA) is spending $1.3 million to defeat Pryor in Arkansas.

    Lesson: Democrats Should Be Democrats, Not Try To Be Republicans

    This election should provide a lesson to Democrats, forever, to remain Democrats and not fall for DC elite calls to be "moderates" by supporting things like cutting entitlements or otherwise acting like Republicans. If you think you are going to be praised and rewarded for following the conservative/corporate line — ain't gonna happen.

    Democrats are for things like:

    • Social Security.
    • Medicare.
    • Helping the poor.
    • Higher minimum wages.
    • Higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations to fund the fruits of democracy.
    • Good and well-funded public schools and colleges.
    • Maintaining and modernizing the country's infrastructure.
    • Protecting the environment.
    • Regulating giant corporations and Wall Street (that includes airlines and telecommunications).
    • Helping people join unions.

    Of course, Republicans and Fox News and CNBC and Chuck Plunkett and Op-Ed writers everywhere love it when Dems are "reasonable" and play the "adults in the room" and support and praise Republican policies. Extra praise is given when bashing unions and educators and government workers. But eventually, and lately just before the next election cycle, Republicans turn on their "friends across the aisle" and voters become confused about voting for a real Republican or someone who supports Republican views and spouts Republican rhetoric and, guess what?

    Voters then vote for Republicans, not Boulder Liberals like Mark Udall.

  6. Udall has less than a 5% chance – Washington Post

     

    Colorado
     

     

    INCUMBENT Mark Udall

     

    Chance of winning:

    4%

    Qualification score*:

    5

    Funds raised**:

    $14,439,018

    Share of vote, last election:***

    55%

     

     Cory Gardner

     

    Chance of winning:

    96%

    Qualification score*:

    3

    Funds raised**:

    $9,332,097

    Share of vote, last election:***

    N/A

  7. Mike Littwin has a great column today covering Bill Clinton's speech regarding the Sucker's Bet that Cory Gardner is offering Colorado voters:

    But here’s where Clinton sees the slick part. Obama won’t be around for much longer. A Senate seat gets you six years in Washington, and Obama will be gone in two. So, isn’t there more at stake here than an anti-Obama vote?

    “He’ll vote against you for six years,” Clinton said of Gardner, “but it’ll feel so good on Election Day. Isn’t that basically what’s going on? He’s saying, ‘Give me a six-year job for a two-year protest.’

    “I wouldn’t take the deal.”

    http://www.coloradoindependent.com/150010/littwin-the-big-dog-cuts-to-the-chase

    1. Thx- that's what I was looking for. Without a rising ( economic) tide to raise all boats, distrust & anger at govt will continue.A populist movement will probably be led by a women, possibly Elizabeth Warren, with help from someone like Bernie Sanders. While 2016 looks like dynasty clash reality TV of Bush – Clinton

  8. So the pattern is becoming clear – the GOP's last minute assault on the truth is nationwide:

    Scott Walker Runs Ad Supporting Equal Pay After Repealing Wisconsin's Equal Pay Law

    EMILY's List, a progressive women's PAC that supports Burke, said Walker's new equal pay ad is a lie.

    "When it comes to the issues that matter to women, Walker has nothing to offer but direct-to-camera lies," said Marcy Stech, a spokesperson for the group. "Walker and Kleefisch know that their record is out of step with the women of Wisconsin whose votes they are desperate to capture — so blurring their record is their only option."

    "Voters are too smart to fall for these last-ditch efforts to mask Walker's record of working against economic opportunity for women," she added.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/28/scott-walker-runs-ad-on-e_n_6061158.html

    1. It's a Citizens United world where money can create an alternate universe and the little guy doesn't have the megaphone to correct the record. 

      Everyone expects some fibbing and stretching in politics, but out and out, blatant lying is a new standard the GOP is stooping to. But, given their desire to bring back Jim Crow via Voter ID, should anyone really be surprised?

      If it works this time, we can expect this to be the new normal.

      1. The fact that Dick Cheney can still travel the nation raising money for GOP candidates (like Beauprez last night) just shows how depraved they have become.

        ACHole is here everyday to prove it as well.

        1. Dick Cheney should be indicted, shipped to the International Palace of Peace and answer for his crimes, then imprisoned with only the basic necessities. No toilet paper, no towels, just bread and water, and the rest he's on his own. No special privileges granted.

  12. Should the criminal, mentally ill party (GOTP) actually retake the Senate — which I continue with good reason to to doubt — it is going to cause them more discord and upheaval and inevitably, more defeat, than they can possibly envision; a classic case of "be care what you wish for." Should this despicable, malignant right-wing cancer on the body politic actually manage to eke out a tiny majority in the Senate, may it burn in their colons like hellfire, every miserable day of their miserable political lives, until we smash them again in 2016:

    Republicans will probably take the Senate. Here’s why it will be a nightmare for them. – The Washington Post

    1. No matter what happens Rs are screwed for 2016 and can still accomplish nothing but obstruction until then. Hope all those nice R voters realize that the House and Senate candidates they vote for can't deliver on any of their promises, least of all on getting Washington moving, and those candidates know that as they make those promises and tell all their lies to their gullible, easily manipulated sheople.

      1. Whether they win or are denied the Senate majority this time, either way, the corrupt GOTP is about to get hammered to within an inch of its miserable political life. And I intend to help in every way I can with the relentless hammering.

        Their base is dying off in droves right before our eyes. Time and evolution are already destroying them. Nothing can stop it.

  13. Uh-oh — Sam Wang has Con Man Cory up only one point over Senator Udall as of today — well within a beatable margin! Somebody had better light another fire under those Koch-finaced GOTP character assassins!

      2. It's a toss up, but if we lose the senate, we can block the GOP's legislation all the way to 2016 when we take back the senate and we get the white house again.

         

        http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/even-if-gop-takes-senate-it-will-be-hard-to-hold-it-in-2016/article/2546010

         

        A lot of the races are close. If dems bring in their ground game, we keep the senate. Either way, we can block the GOP's legislation and that is a very good thing. I hope right after the mid-terms, Obama decides to say no to the keystone pipeline and goes through with executive action on immigration. It will be fun seeing the GOP's heads explode. 😉

  14. I wonder if the Denver Post will cover this?

    Colorado voters with progressive group MoveOn and abortion rights group NARAL Pro-Choice America delivered nearly 13,000 signatures from voters to The Denver Post on Tuesday to demand that the paper rescind its endorsement of Republican Senate candidate Cory Gardner.

    About 20 of them gathered outside the newspaper's building, holding signs that read "Denver Post: What were you thinking? Cory Gardner is reckless, extreme and wrong for Colorado."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/28/moveon-naral-cory-gardner_n_6062586.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

    It would be tough for Plunkett and gang to explain what all the fuss is about without revealing the magical thinking the Editorial Board used to justify Whorey Gardner's endorsement.

    1. Absolutely! Win or lose, the's GOTP's clock is running out. It's only a matter of time before the corrupt, racist rump party we have the misfortune of witnessing today is defunct. 2014 is their last hurrah; it's likely all downhill to the ash heap of history for the Teabagger Party after this last gasp.

        1. You guys rented that Volkswagon already? . . . 

          . . . that's a lot of room for a couple of sniveling assworms . . .

          . . . but, my guess it that the good folks at Enterprise already have their suspicions that you clowns can't come up with the green, and won't let the vehicle off the lot.

            1. That's would certainly be a great way to celebrate the evening, DP (and not out of the realm of possibility) 

              It would probably play out like it did for the Romney campaign workers on election night 2012.  Remember that Mittens canceled all of the staffers credit cards immediately after his concession speech (he sped off in his Suburban) and they were stranded at the hotel with no way to pay for their rooms or a way to get home? 

              Gotta love those job creators, err, 'will-never-have-enough' billionaires. 

              WIF can jump one of those empty coal trains heading north out of CoSprings on Wednesday morning.  He's a perfect fit for Wyoming.

               

              2. Gotta' know that Moddy's getting his sorry ass to the bank early next Tuesday . . . once bitten twice shy . . . either that or he's pretty much the fumduck we give him credit for being. 

  15. This POS Gardner is a con man. He's trying to appear as a moderate to get elected. he's anything, but. This lunatic Cory Gardner voted over 90% of the time with his worthless radical party. Makes me wanna throw up when you have this con man saying he wants to work with both parties and break the gridlock him and his party causes.

    2. Con Man Cory Gardner is a corrupt, hypocritical, shameless, bald-faced pathological liar. An absolute pile of garbage on legs. No low too low.

      A greasy cog in the wheel of right-wing filth.

  16. Hey, here's a question, Polsters:

    What happens if, God forbid, lying punk-ass two-bit political whore Gardner gets to the Senate, the Teabagger House of Reps. PASSES Con Man's "non-existent" federal Personhood bill, and it lands on his GOTP-majority Senate desk?

    Think about it.

    Will the little con-artist weasel bastard dare vote for it to please his corporate masters and puppeteers, thus risking the unbridled wrath of all the CO voters he lied to and bamboozled in his amoral quest for power at all costs, most assuredly rendering him a one-term senator?

    1. The Personhood-friendly folks I interact have been hoping for this very scenario – and they are convinced that he will be a 'yes' in that perfect storm. Their reasoning: he's been introduced as a future POTUS at events locally.  He must have the personhood bonafides to survive a future primary race.  FWIW, it's their reasoning. 

      The good news: have been on the phone today with folks close to the pollsters – and I'm pretty confident we aren't going to be sending Gardner to the upper chamber. 

      1. Thanks for the insights, Michael. Wow, that's some "reasoning." I wonder if they stop for even a moment to consider that support of Personhood is an immediate national-campaign terminator and disqualifier beyond the lunatic teabag primaries…

        I too believe we will stop this shape-shifting grifter Gardner in his tracks, cold, here and now. I've never thought otherwise. It'll be our gift to CO and the nation.

        1. Reportedly the new and improved Eric Cantor is jetting all over the US informing 'pubs that they must 'change or die'; it's time for their 'Etch-a-Sketch' moment.  Will our ADHD public buy it?  Will it once again be "Morning in America?" 

          In a creepy kind of way, all of the accomplishments touted by the Gipper in this ad could apply today (updated for gay marriage)…and the reference to "do you want to go back to where we were under the last President?" is a definitine "pow!".

          Yes, it's 'Morning in America' – slightly overcast, with the stench of a the local feedlot in the air – thanks to the six years of obstructionism where Gardner has been a full and loyal contributor.  We will prevail – and shove their failed economic experiment in to the dustbin of history where it belongs.

           

      2. Garder is the type of guy you'd like to have a beer with. He's affable and personable – I bet he throws a great Super Bowl party.

        But didn't America learn that lesson with George W. Bush?

        I think so. 

        Hopefully, Colorado doesn't foist another "beer buddy" on the nation. 

        1. I think so too.

          Gardner needs to be sent back to his home town, to sell insurance and eat hot dogs and potato salad, to bitch and moan and mutter endlessly about "darkies and wetbacks, uppity women, hippies queers and mooslums" just like all of his lily-white Chamber of Commerce cronies.

          Such an amoral individual needs to be kept far away from the levels of federal power.

            1. Bennet's already a seasoned pro, and he'll be running for reelection in a presidential year when Secretary/Senator Clinton will most likely be heading our national ticket.

              I wish Chuck, David and fresh loser/private-citizen/Koch-puppet Gardner good luck walking into meat-grinder.

              1. Agreed…but look at the bench.  Just who are they going to put in the game?  That line up is as thin as a gnat's ass stretched over a rain barrel.  And none of them are as purdy as Cory.

            2. Both Ways will run closer this time than he did in '06.  This will only serve to encourage him.  I can see the signs now:

               Beauprez/Waters Woods '22

              (He'll be tanned, rested and ready!)

            1. He's well-liked out here, DP.  There won't be anyone telling him to move, but I doubt that he'll put out his lawyer shingle and start practicing law here, either. There are legions of imprisoned hydrocarbons that need to be liberated for Chuck and Dave; lots of lobbyin' and glad-handin' to be done…and none of it in Yuma County.

        2. Nah, not the type of guy I'd like to have a beer with. He's the type who would always be looking above your head, looking around the room for "important" people to talk to.

    2. Everyone take a deep breath and calm down.  I voted for Udall and hope he wins but if he doesn't, he doesn't. And while I hope the Dems hold 50 seats, if they don't, they don't.  It's not the end of thw world.  And if the federal personhood amendment comes up, it will probably lose with 48 Dems along with Susan Collins and Mark Kirk joining them in voting no.  

      And if it should actually pass, Obama can schedule a great photo op for vetoing it.  I do not think our side should filibuster it.  We need to get away from that stunt; and there's no need for it.  We just need to use that which the constitution gives us:  the veto.  Let Yurtle and his teabagger friends work on rounding up 67 votes for an override vote.

      1. Pass or fail, I'd want the little worm permanently impaled on that Personhood hook for all time by his 'yes' vote, so we could take him out easily in 2020.

      2. Agreed with everything you said, Frank.  My fantasy scenario (should the Repub's grab the majority) is one where Yertle is defeated – and never gets the ring he fought so valiantly for over the past six years. 

        I'm on Day 2 of my FauxNews waterboarding with the parental units.  Between the breathless reporting of non-stop Ebola-palooza, there is growing concern by the bubble heads that voter fraud will be the reason they'll  lose all of the close races – and control of the Senate.
         

      3. Exactly — Let's have the full debates on the Nutwing agenda, let'm bring it to a vote and let the GOP hang themselves for the record. And then we get to be the ones that say NFW via Obama's veto.

        We'll see how many times the GOP tries to threaten shutdowns.  Probably with nearly every bill.  But the gun will shoot backwards in their own face as usual.

  17. For all of the breathless, old white guys on FauxSnooze today taking on Hillary for (gasp) daring to speak a little truth about who really creates jobs in this country (hint: it's consumer demand), here is a great video of billionaire Nick Hanauer schooling one of those bootstrappin', "I built that" dudes…  The blowback?  Wall Street demanded a retraction. 

    She's right. As is Elizabeth Warren.  As is Bernie Sanders.  Trickle down is a failed, social experiment.  In the words of Joe Scarborough last week as Governor Donuts was lamenting to the US Chamber just 'how tired he is of hearing about the minimum wage', he asked,

    "Do we Republicans have a death wish to be a permanent, minority party?  We've lost the lower class, and we've all but lost the middle class"

     

     

        1. That he is, indubitably. He and all like him: dupes, pawns, useful idiots, cannon fodder. "teh stoopid" runs deep in these self-destroying, self-loathing morons.

      3. Everything about the GOTP is a fraud. EVERYTHING.

        And sadly, in this country there is a fool born every minute that eats up the GOTP crap. Perhaps it's because were such a commercial, consumer-based society – we're so used to being lied to, so used to "products" which don't measure up to the hype, that we think we're buying a Mercedes when really it's a Corvair.

         

          1. Well, if he hadn't gone fishin' when he was at a meeting telling him that Al Qaeda was going to attack pretty darn soon, and didn't get this idea that Iraq was behind it all after the attack actually happened, and that if you run up a, what, six trillion dollar projected debt from invading Iraq, all the while cutting revenue to pay for all that, maybe his plan would have worked. 

            And I suppose if the Repugs take the Senate, there'll be even more tax cuts to help pay for stuff. 

  18. http://www.newsmax.com/politics/colorado-senate-gardner-udall/2014/10/28/id/603549/

    "If those percentages continue to track, Gardner looks like a sure shot come Election Day, the Times noted. Those early ballots, however, had been cast by over-65 voters who are from largely GOP jurisdictions, noted the Times, making the turnout thus far disproportionate in terms of calling the race in a Republican's favor.

    One hope, the Times noted, is in the 2010 race, 21 percent of Democrats did not turn out to vote. With them back in the mix in 2014, however, turnout could swell by 450,000 voters, and most are likely younger Democrats who could help Udall step up his game.
     

     

    Noted the Times' Nate Cohn in his The Upshot column: "There’s not much question that Democrats will gain as the remaining young voters from Democratic jurisdictions mail in their ballots. The question is how much, and whether it will be enough."

    One set of voters energized by Udall are Latino voters, according to the Latin Post. Their turnout could also give the Democrat a boost in the race's final days.

     

    😉

     

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