The second half of the New York Times/CBS poll of Colorado was released today, showing Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper with a four-point lead over GOP challenger Bob Beauprez–as with this poll's showing earlier in the week of a three-point lead for Sen. Mark Udall over Cory Gardner, a good sign for Hickenlooper but still well within the poll's margin of error. Here are the toplines:
As with the Senate poll, significant leads for Hickenlooper among both women and self-described moderates are underlying trends that bode well for the incumbent. Also, we don't see third-party candidates factoring to any significant degree, which the consensus view this year agrees helps Hickenlooper. A month ago, NYT/CBS found the gubernatorial race tied up at 43% each–so the trajectory is entirely in Hickenlooper's favor.
With three weeks to go, that's what Hickenlooper supporters want to see.
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I have a fiscal conservative Republican who is a staunch fiscal conservative and he told me yesterday that he plans on voting for Hickenlooper. Did I mention that my friend is a staunch fiscal conservative. He sees Hickenlooper as a Rockefeller Republican. I don't think Beauprez can beat the social conservative bushes enough to make up for the loss of moderate Republicans who like Hickenlooper's "No negative ads" motto.
I think that might be a good way to put it: Hickenlooper is a Rockefeller Republican (without money and maybe slightly to the left of being a drug fascist).
Except that Rockefeller was a liberal Republican. There used to be such a thing, mainly on the East Coast. Hick is more of an old fashioned midwestern Main Street moderate Republican. There isn't room in the GOTP for anyone of that ilk anymore so they're now Dems. If you want even a merely center right candidate anymore, the Dem party really is the party for you. That's what they mostly are. Including Obama. Rs scream about how lefty his ACA is but even that came out of their own conservative think tanks so give me a break. Most Dems would never dare to run on a platform as liberal as the GOP platform Ike ran on. If you want a true liberal candidate you're pretty much screwed. You can use your fingers to count them. They're pretty much confined to a few Dem CDs. No Dem Senate leaders, no Dem Governors, no remotely recent Dem Presidents could be described as liberal. Mildly center left is about the outer lefty limit for the Democratic Party in the 21st century.
I don't think the Rockefeller Drug Laws were the product of a Republican liberal, however I do understand your perspective.
When he signed the drug legislation, Rockefeller was trying to shed his reputation as a liberal and appeal to the more conservative parts of the GOP. He spent lots of public money and he was clearly pro-choice. It didn't do him any good. Ford still had to ditch Rocky as his VP and accept the solid conservative Dole (who today would be considered a RINO).
By the laws named after him, Rockefeller did shed/shred his reputation as a Republican liberal, historically-speaking. You're not a liberal if you increase prison population and harness the power of judges to decide sentences–then or now. And yes, it didn't do him any good in his quest, short-term, to acquire greater political power. Double loss.
A clarifier: "hamstring" would have been a better word word choice than "harness"–although harness, in the sense of controlling an indentured beast, works.
I see him as a moderate Democrat not a Republican, seems center to center-left to me.
Same with Obama not a Republican at all moderate Democrat
And plenty of true liberals who are left not center left in this party look at people like Elizabeth Warren or Nancy Pelosi.
Define plenty. There is no way Warren can be described as liberal. She's center left. Obama is most like a Clinton centrist and Clinton was the darling of the triangulating Republican lite Dem wave of the 90s. That was pure center right, right on fiscal and economic issues, more left on social issues but not left enough to refuse to go along with the now defunct Defense of Marriage Act. Not left enough to insist on full integration of gays in the military. More of a please don't think we're too untraditional, timid tiny bit social left.
I'm old enough to remember when there were plenty of real liberals besides Ted Kennedy. That entire wing of the party is gone with the barest handful of exceptions. Our congress goes from center left to far right. There is no viable left, much less far left.
I don’t think it’s an accident that every Democratic governor of this state (at least that I can think of) has been a centrist—whether it’s Dick Lamm or more recent governors like Bill Ritter or John Hickenlooper. Colorado is a politically diverse state and Democrats aren’t going to win statewide office unless they stay fairly close to the center.
According to this poll, Beauprez is bombing with Hispanics. Big time.
That's because he put Tancredo in charge of outreach
Well BWB had to put someone in charge of that who had actually met one or two Hispanics . . .
. . . even it if was only just to check their papers
I'm sure that Thingy#1 (AC) will be in momentarily to tell us why we need to ignore this poll (HINT: it's from the liberal media) and put all of our credence in the FAUX News poll (which of course, is fair and balanced)…….
P.S. Gilpin Guy, I couldn't agree more with your characterization of Hick as a Rockefeller Repub!
How does he lose the election if Beauprez wins independents 46-38?
Good question. Maybe if he loses moderate non Dominionist Christian Republicans and minorities?
Because the poll assumes less than 28% of the people that vote will be Republican, which is a joke. If the Dems vote by more than 6% of the Republicans the Dems will win every race. It won't happen but the guys in NY who did the poll weighed the poll as if that is what will happen.
Well he lost this poll that way so….