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May 12, 2014 06:20 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

"It isn't sufficient just to want–you've got to ask yourself what you are going to do to get the things you want."

–Franklin D. Roosevelt

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    1. And in the year following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, 194 American children ages 12 and under died in gun accidents.  Are you outraged?  Or ignorant? (in case you missed it, this is a rhetorical question).

      1. I am sad, but not willing to trash our freedom's foundation document to a political, but not real, fix..  If you want to deal with real problems try these.

        Cigarette smoking causes more than 480,000 deaths in the United States each year.  It is addictive.  Many who die started as children.

        http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/effects_cig_smoking/

        Over 10,000 people die each year in the United States from drunk drivers.

        http://responsibility.org/drunk-driving/drunk-driving-fatalities-national-statistics

        How many people are going to die each year from people driving impaired from marijuana in Colorado?

        You don't need to change the Constitution in order to help save lives.

         

        1. But willing to trash what our freedom's foundation document established as far as actual government, you know courts, (See US Constituion Article III) which has found such things to not be in violation of what gun fondlers pretend to care about.  

            1. Andrew, you give the overall impression that you are impressed only by money, power and influence.  All this other stuff seems to be just window dressing. 

              By the way, Michael's link is very interesting.  The average American among other things has a cell phone, but not a smart phone, and does have a land line.  You should check it out.

            2. If your matrix is post-viable, then the answer to your question is "a fraction" of those caused by Dr. Dick Cheney.  I happen to be an actual pro-life person, not your flavor of pro-birth.  I understand and accept a woman's legal right to choose – and I support a societal construct that provides access to health care (including contraceptives), a tax code that promotes job creation a strong middle-class (and a pathway for people to join the middle-class) , well-funded public schools and infrastructure, care for ou elderly – and a living wage.  

              All of this, of course, could be provided with a fraction of what we spend on our military and corporate tax subsidies we shower on corporations like Koch, Walmart and Exxon.  And I'm guessing I lost you about three sentences ago…

        3. How many people are going to die each year from people driving impaired from marijuana in Colorado? Your inability to grasp mathematical equations never ceases to amaze me: 

          Comparing traffic deaths over time in states with and without medical marijuana law changes, the researchers found that fatal car wrecks dropped by 9% in states that legalized medical use — which was largely attributable to a decline in drunk driving. The researchers controlled for other factors like changes in driving laws and the number of miles driven that could affect the results.

    2. I guess it makes a difference when the country where Boko Haram exists asks us not to go there, or when policy experts say it would just give them prominence when at the time they weren't. But everything in hindsight is Hillary's fault, because otherwise she might be (shock!) President in a few years.

  2. Good morning, Polsters….I have a quiz question.

    Name a world disaster, political upheaval, or economic catastrophe NOT caused by Hillary Clinton…

      1. Wrong!  If she spent more time on her knees, Monica Lewinsky wouldn't have had to usurp her role.

        Clinton fatigue would then not have attached itself to Al Gore, and the election would not have been close enough for the SCOTUS to steal it.

    1. Wait a few months.  Then start posting stupid cartoons that show how she somehow is, when your masters send you over here to continue your lying liar ways.  

        1. Thanks. I actually clicked on your link and the article starts out by saying…

          Washington (CNN) – A majority of Americans want to keep the federal health care law as is, or make some changes to improve it, according to a new national poll.

          1. Can't figure out why that guy's condsiserex to be a "fucking liar" . . .

            . . . except for that one small fact — that he's a fucking liar!!

          2. Facts, BC, facts.

            Koch Boy ain't got time for no steenkeen facts! There are lies to be told, distortions to be disseminated, spin to be spun!

            Cowardly, pathologiical liars never respond to truth. They run, and they hide, and then they pop up with their next round of lies and distortions, completely ignoring their previous brutal, fact-based evisceration. No accountability. And they are permitted endlessly and without penalty to do so, sadly.

            2. Yep. Did you? While it cautions about premature victory laps (apparently that's where you stopped reading), the most negative poll results referred to only go so far as to say Amerians are divided about whether to keep it or repeal it while most of the polling cited shows strong public support to keep it and/or improve it and very low support for blanket repeal. How did you miss that, AC?

              According to the poll, 61% want Congress to leave the Affordable Care Act alone (12%) or make some changes to the law in an attempt to make it work better (49%).

              Thirty-eight percent of those questioned say the law should be repealed and replaced with a completely different system (18%) or say the measure should be repealed, with Americans going back to the system in place before the law was implemented (20%).

              Two other surveys conducted earlier this year – Kaiser Family Foundation in April and National Public Radio in March – also indicated majority support for keeping and improving the law. Two others, (NBC News/Wall Street Journal in April and ABC News/Washington Post in March), suggested Americans were divided on whether to keep the measure or repeal it.

               

              1. PS. Since many of us would prefer a true universal single payer system, no doubt some of the 18% cited in the poll that want repeal and replacement with a completely new system are those who don't think the reform goes nearly far enough. Only 20% in that poll want a return to the pre-ACA system so that kind of translates into 80% not believing ACA is worse than what we had before, even if there are things they'd like to change or other systems, including universal single payer, they'd prefer to try.  

                1. Yup. Only 1-in-5 want to go back to the old way. 

                  It brings to mind the old adage that one sign of a successful compromise is that nobody is happy.

            3. Hey, now that you know what's in the article you linked us to, AC, I have an idea. OK. Only 20% want to go back to the old system and the GOTP mantra used to be" repeal and replace" before it was just "utterly destroy." Looks like there are plenty of people who would welcome improvement or even a "repeal and replace" with something better. 

              How about a poll measuring peoples approval/disapproval of various aspects of ACA, such as no cap, no banning for pre-existing conditions, keeping young adult children on parents' coverage, etc. as well as their approval/disapproval of Republican proposals for replacement reforms? 

              Of course Republicans would never want any such poll to be conducted because they know damn well they have no proposals that would be popular with the majority of the 80% who don't particularly want to go back to the old system. The last thing they want is to have to come up with any such proposals and present them for public polling. Your team's got nothing and so doesn't want to remind anyone they once were calling for replacement along with repeal.

              In light of the polls you directed us to, if I were a Dem candidate I'd lose no opportunity to remind my GOTP opponent of that old repeal and replace mantra and ask what specific replacement reforms the opponent supports and whether or not the opponent does support specific popular ACA reforms. Sound good to you?

    2. There is an not-so-subltle analogy between our Governor's use of average in his wage argument for the oil and gas industry statistics and our resident librarian.   Our troll's contribution to this statistical exercise reduces a typical West Point graduate to nothing more than an average American. 

    3. When one dwells solely within the extreme right-wing closed-feedback loop, one tends to begin believing that everyone is as dumb, insular, manipulable and ill-informed as he/she and his/her closed feedback-loop co-dwellers are. It's a very common rightie mistake. How very disturbing it must be for them to discover that their sick, ignorant, hateful, lie-based little world extends only so far…

    1. If you listen closely you may hear McConnell shrieking "OBAMACARE!".  The "conservatives" used to shriek Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid in the same tone.  But, then, they still do.  Oh, the good old days, the mores and brutal reality of the 19th century, that's what they really want.

  6. Not so good news for future generations of coastal residents: NASA today confirms an old (1978) theory that the West Antarctic ice sheet is melting due to global warming – and adds that this is now irreversable due to the terrain features of the area. The end result in a century or two will be a rise of ocean levels of up to 10 feet, forcing the abandonment of many coastal cities.

    Time to start saving up to relocate hundreds of millions of people, not to mention some of our greatest cultural treasures.

    1. From the Guardian:

      He said the retreat would begin slowly, resulting in sea-level rise of less than 1mm a year for a couple of hundred years. But “then boom, it just starts to really go,” Joughin said.

      Rignot said that even drastic action to cut greenhouse gas emissions that cause climate change could not prevent the collapse.

      “We feel this is at the point where even if the ocean is not warming up, is not providing additional ocean heat, the system is in a sort of chain reaction that is unstoppable,” he told reporters on a conference call.

  7. Meanwhile today a Republican senator from one of the states most likely to be negatively impacted by that rise in ocean levels i.e. the ___shine state, announces to America that no, he still dosen't get it. 

    1. As John Oliver notes, righties have a lot of trouble with the future tense. Their response to concerns about our children's future is… well I couldn't improve on Oliver's answer to that.

      PS He's changed his hair. Was much cuter a little shaggier. But I digress….

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