Monday Open Thread

(Promoted by Colorado Pols)

"Surplus wealth is a sacred trust which its possessor is bound to administer in his lifetime for the good of the community."

–Andrew Carnegie

33 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. DavidThi808 says:

    Ukraine has an official presidential candidate named "Darth Alekseyevitch Vader." From a friend over there:

    It’s Ukrainian Internet party. There are a lot of members (~11 millions), young and technically skilled.

    However, their application wasn’t accepted despite everything they did was according to rules.

    Their web-site is on (it’s in Russian but there you would find more photos

  2. mamajama55 says:

    Lowest rate of uninsured people since 2008. And the law isn't fully implemented yet – next signup period begins October 1.  But hey, when you're desperate – fake a phone call from the President.

    • A drop of 3.3% since ACA signups began, and it looks like there will be another million people on the insurance rolls when the stragglers finish their paperwork.

      That's a million more than the initial CBO estimate that predicted great benefits to the Federal budget from the increase in coverage. About two million more than were estimated when the exchange web rollout went so poorly. That means extra government budgetary savings, citizens with better health care, and a healthier workforce leading to higher productivity (along with a large monetary shot in the arm for the health care and health insurance industries).

      • Andrew Carnegie says:

        PR, You are not really stupid enough to believe this, are you?

        6 million lose coverage.

        7.1 million click submit on a website.

        That means extra government budgetary savings?

        Do you really believe any of that?

        A large monetary shot in the arm for the health care and health insurance industries?

        Nobody could really be stupid enough to believe that, right?

        You are making Daft Punk's political prognostications seem reasonable.

        • BlueCat says:

          Where to begin. For one thing most of those who "lost" insurance were simultaneously offered adjusted plans which they accepted and so didn't go though the exchanges. They just re-upped. There is therefore not a direct correlation between your numbers of lost plans and new exchange plans. 

        • Cool. You're the second conservative person (or maybe the same person – if so, I won't out you) I've seen in a week who has mysteriously changed their "lost coverage" quote from 3.7 million to 6 million when it became apparent that ACA signups were exceeding the "broken sign-up" estimate.

          The non-partisan CBO believes that the increase in coverage will result in a significant savings for the Federal government. That was the original estimate for the ACA. Further, Republicans asked for a second estimate when the website had problems – the reduced number of new sign-ups also saved the government money, but less money. And the CBO also scored several of the Republican Obamacare repeal plans; they cost the government extra.

          And why wouldn't this be a shot in the arm for the health care and insurance industries? Surely you're not so stupid as to believe that the increase in cash coming in to these companies thanks to new insurance enrollments is going to cause them cash shortages…

          • Andrew Carnegie says:

            With all the changes and adverse selection the insurance companies are going to take a bath unless bailed out by the Federal Government.

            Some shot in the arm.


            • Heh. Ignorant of the concept of "risk pool", too. (Or, more likely, just trying to muddy the waters with more conservative myths.)

              Why is it that most big company policies don't have pre-existing condition exclusions, and only modest variations based on the health of those covered? Because the risk pool is large enough that the risk is spread. Under the ACA those risk pools are the size of each state, and the insurance companies priced their exchange policies based on their understanding of that risk pool. They're not going to lose money, because they're charging a rate they feel will be profitable.

              And that is also the reason for the cut-off date of March 31 for policies under the exchanges: so that the insurance companies can take a look at the risk pool they've accumulated so far and set new rates for next year's enrollment.

              Does that make any sense to you?

            • roccoprahn says:

              carnagie, it's allways the shifting goal posts with you. It's allways the "catastrophe down the road". From "no one will sign up", to "the costs will be devastating to the applicants", on and on and on.

              Every time one of your bullshit claims ( Istill remember the 335,000 con you got from the gardneerial camp )gets debunked, somebody at caldera's or armstrong's blog  gives you a new one to run up the flag.

              Get a life. You're not even good at this. 

  3. DavidThi808 says:

    I don't think those Koch Brothers ads against Mark Udall are effective. The woman speaking grates on you. And keep in mind I'm someone who thinks the Obama administration has done a lousy job rolling out Obamacare – that message should resonate with me.

    If presented well.

  4. DavidThi808 says:

    FYI – the daily quote is from the real Andrew Carnegie, not the sock puppet.

    • Davie says:

      I think that was pretty obvious, although Troll-AC might have seen it and asked himself "When did I say something that stupid?"  🙂

    • Miss Jane says:

      Thanks for posting it.  I think it goes well with this quote from the first Republican president:

      "~~Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."    Abraham Lincoln

      Too many greedy, miserly and the uncaring have manage to perpetrate a hoax on working people everywhere.  Our visiting librarian, or perhaps librarians, is a toady of the worst sort.  I don't think he actually believes what he says.


    • BlueCat says:

      That dirty commie!

  5. Gray in Mountains says:

    I actually give our AC credit for being one of the better trolls we've had. He stays on message, largely. Civil, largely. Hasn't compared President Obama to any jungle animals, to my knowledge. But, still, like all our trolls, he denies reality regularly, that is the message he stays on

  6. NeonNurse says:

    Just to make you laugh, here is an article written by an internet pal of mine, 20 Reasons Why Fire Ants are Better Than Republicans. (In case you are lucky enough to have never been bitten by fire ants, let me tell you, it's not fun!)


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