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April 07, 2014 05:05 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: DavidThi808

(Promoted by Colorado Pols)

"Surplus wealth is a sacred trust which its possessor is bound to administer in his lifetime for the good of the community."

–Andrew Carnegie

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  1. Ukraine has an official presidential candidate named "Darth Alekseyevitch Vader." From a friend over there:

    It’s Ukrainian Internet party. There are a lot of members (~11 millions), young and technically skilled.

    However, their application wasn’t accepted despite everything they did was according to rules.

    Their web-site is on http://www.ipu.com.ua (it’s in Russian but there you would find more photos http://www.ipu.com.ua/photobank).

    1. A drop of 3.3% since ACA signups began, and it looks like there will be another million people on the insurance rolls when the stragglers finish their paperwork.

      That's a million more than the initial CBO estimate that predicted great benefits to the Federal budget from the increase in coverage. About two million more than were estimated when the exchange web rollout went so poorly. That means extra government budgetary savings, citizens with better health care, and a healthier workforce leading to higher productivity (along with a large monetary shot in the arm for the health care and health insurance industries).

      1. PR, You are not really stupid enough to believe this, are you?

        6 million lose coverage.

        7.1 million click submit on a website.

        That means extra government budgetary savings?

        Do you really believe any of that?

        A large monetary shot in the arm for the health care and health insurance industries?

        Nobody could really be stupid enough to believe that, right?

        You are making Daft Punk's political prognostications seem reasonable.

        1. Where to begin. For one thing most of those who "lost" insurance were simultaneously offered adjusted plans which they accepted and so didn't go though the exchanges. They just re-upped. There is therefore not a direct correlation between your numbers of lost plans and new exchange plans. 

        2. Cool. You're the second conservative person (or maybe the same person – if so, I won't out you) I've seen in a week who has mysteriously changed their "lost coverage" quote from 3.7 million to 6 million when it became apparent that ACA signups were exceeding the "broken sign-up" estimate.

          The non-partisan CBO believes that the increase in coverage will result in a significant savings for the Federal government. That was the original estimate for the ACA. Further, Republicans asked for a second estimate when the website had problems – the reduced number of new sign-ups also saved the government money, but less money. And the CBO also scored several of the Republican Obamacare repeal plans; they cost the government extra.

          And why wouldn't this be a shot in the arm for the health care and insurance industries? Surely you're not so stupid as to believe that the increase in cash coming in to these companies thanks to new insurance enrollments is going to cause them cash shortages…

          1. With all the changes and adverse selection the insurance companies are going to take a bath unless bailed out by the Federal Government.

            Some shot in the arm.

             

            1. Heh. Ignorant of the concept of "risk pool", too. (Or, more likely, just trying to muddy the waters with more conservative myths.)

              Why is it that most big company policies don't have pre-existing condition exclusions, and only modest variations based on the health of those covered? Because the risk pool is large enough that the risk is spread. Under the ACA those risk pools are the size of each state, and the insurance companies priced their exchange policies based on their understanding of that risk pool. They're not going to lose money, because they're charging a rate they feel will be profitable.

              And that is also the reason for the cut-off date of March 31 for policies under the exchanges: so that the insurance companies can take a look at the risk pool they've accumulated so far and set new rates for next year's enrollment.

              Does that make any sense to you?

              1. I don't know if it does to AC but it does to me. Probably why countries that have everyone in one risk pool for basic quality coverage have costs half of what ours are. 

                1. +100

                  This is the conversation I have all too often with many of my conservative friends.  They think I'm arguing ideology – when what I'm primarily arguing is 'arithmetic'. 

            2. carnagie, it's allways the shifting goal posts with you. It's allways the "catastrophe down the road". From "no one will sign up", to "the costs will be devastating to the applicants", on and on and on.

              Every time one of your bullshit claims ( Istill remember the 335,000 con you got from the gardneerial camp )gets debunked, somebody at caldera's or armstrong's blog  gives you a new one to run up the flag.

              Get a life. You're not even good at this. 

  2. I don't think those Koch Brothers ads against Mark Udall are effective. The woman speaking grates on you. And keep in mind I'm someone who thinks the Obama administration has done a lousy job rolling out Obamacare – that message should resonate with me.

    If presented well.

    1. "People don't like political ads.  So listen to me, a paid actor in this political ad tell you its not about politics but about 'real people,' unlike me, an actor." 

      1. I thought they started using a payed actor talking in non-specifics because the specifics in the horror stories of all their real people kept getting completely discredited. 

    2. Koch vs. Udall made the Daily Kos election headlines today with their Rockies baseball giveaway…

      AFP's foam baseballs say "Tell Sen. Udall Obamacare is striking out.".

      Udall's spokesman Chris Harris responds: "It's never good to hand out stuff in American politics that says 'Made in China.' "

      The ball, of course, really was made in China – probably because they couldn't find a non-union promotional shop to make them here in this country.

    1. Thanks for posting it.  I think it goes well with this quote from the first Republican president:

      "~~Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."    Abraham Lincoln
       

      Too many greedy, miserly and the uncaring have manage to perpetrate a hoax on working people everywhere.  Our visiting librarian, or perhaps librarians, is a toady of the worst sort.  I don't think he actually believes what he says.

       

  3. I actually give our AC credit for being one of the better trolls we've had. He stays on message, largely. Civil, largely. Hasn't compared President Obama to any jungle animals, to my knowledge. But, still, like all our trolls, he denies reality regularly, that is the message he stays on

    1. I'm shocked to see such scandalous things happening to a self-professed moral, conservative Christian. This being Louisiana, I now expect him to run for and win the Senate seat now held by Sen. Landreaux.

    1. LMAO. My personal favorites from Bankston's list:

      9. Fire ants never claim that rattlesnakes are emboldened by Obama’s weakness.

      10. Fire ants do not hold a May runoff election to select their craziest ant in all of the ant kingdom to run for lieutenant governor of Texas.

      11. Fire ants don’t seem to care what I do with my uterus.

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