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March 12, 2014 06:30 AM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

  • 41 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“A man that does not know how to be angry does not know how to be good.”

–Henry Ward Beecher

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41 thoughts on “Wednesday Open Thread

  1. The Canary in the Coal Mine?

    Last night the results of the house race in Florida became known.  The Republican candidate, Jolly, defeated the Democrat candidate, Sink, 48-46.

    The Dem candidate had held statewide office, was the Dem nominee for Governor and had won the district in 2010.  Obama won the district in 2008 and 2012.  The party split was 37% Republican, 35% Dem.

    Both candidates were flawed.  The Republican had never held office before and had worked as a lobbyist.  The Dem was not exactly charismatic and said a couple dumb things, as did the Republican.

    The Dem candidate outspent the Republican on the airwaves about 3:1, most of which was made up for by Republican outside spending.

    The Dem candidate did not vote for Obamacare but said she supported it, but wanted to make it better.  The Republican candidate was not in favor of Obamacare.  Much of the outside spending was national testing for Obamacare advertising.

    I get that all politics is local, but 2014 appears to be a toxic environment for Dems associated with Obamacare and even those that were not.  There is the usual spin from the dishonest partisans, as in Debbie Wasserman Schultz, but at least Paul Begala is acting like an adult.

    Paul Begala        ✔ @PaulBegala

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    Congratulations to David Jolly and the @NRCC. No spin, important win.

    8:30 PM – 11 Mar 2014

     

    1. Here is what the Tampa Bay newspaper had to say:

      If I'm a Democratic House member in any competitive district in America or a Democratic incumbent senator up for re-election this year in a moderate-to-conservative state like North Carolina, Arkansas, Colorado, Alaska or Louisiana, I'm waking up more than a little anxious about what happened in Pinellas County on Tuesday.

      In Alex Sink, Democrats had a better-funded, well-known nominee who ran a strong campaign against a little-known, second- or third-tier Republican who ran an often wobbly race in a district Barack Obama won twice. Outside Republican groups — much more so than the under-funded Jolly campaign — hung the Affordable Care Act and President Obama on Sink.

      It worked.

      http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/local/adam-c-smith-column-david-jolly-victory-spells-trouble-for-democrats/2169745

      1. Doug Schoen, Dem polster chimes in:

        The Democratic pollster and Fox News contributor also predicted that “Obamacare will be a millstone around every Democrat’s neck” in November, and said “rhetorical games and niceties will not solve the problem.” He also expects Democrats will be much more apt to criticize President Obama’s policies on the campaign trail.

        Right now, if you said to me: Will the Senate going to go Republican, I would say yes,” said Schoen. “Tuesday morning, I would have said probably it’s a 50-50 proposition. 

        “Now I’d say we are looking at the prospect of a tide election, where even less well known, less popular Republicans could win seats that are now distinctly unlikely,” he said.

        http://www.newsmax.com 

         

    2. FL-13 in one set of numbers:

      Dem precinct turnout: 30%
      GOP precinct turnout: 50%

      Results: GOP candidate by 1-2%.

      This is the story of special elections for Dems – we just don't turn out for these off-cycle races. It's a definite problem.

      But if Republicans are looking for an Obamacare horror story here, they're not going to find one. If this had been a blowout loss for Alex Sink, perhaps it might have been a story; less than two points isn't that story.

      BTW, Sink is now a two-time campaign loser, both in competitive races. First against a scandal-ridden government-scamming insurance exec (now Gov. Rick Scott) and this time against a relative nobody (Sink was State Treasurer, Jolly was a DC lobbyist). I bet a lot of Florida Dems are thinking it's time she retired from politics.

      1. There it is. Just slightly more Ds turning out, and today's headline would have been "Jolly's Folly."

        Sink's loss only further energizes me to work that much harder to turn out the D vote and defeat the enemy decisively and permanently.

          1. Good news.

            Dems also don't show up in non-Presidential year general elections.

            If each of 12 Dem Senators lose by one vote, guess what?

            There are 12 less Dem Senators.

            Jolly was severely underfunded in relation to Sink.  The Republican third party advertising was about Obamacare.  

            If you want to pretend Obamacare is not hurting your candidates, have at it.  If you think we want to keep it just make it better is working, knock your socks off.  It is not.  

            By the way, how do you make it better without making it not viable? Eliminate the unpopular funding mechanisms?

             

  2. An interesting AP article about the future of natural gas development in the U.S.

    The depletion profiles of "unconventional"  gas wells (the kind drilled into harder rock strata which require fracking) tell a story no one in the natural gas industry wants to talk about. Supply projections are not reliable because fracked wells empty out rapidly. I heard, a while back, an expert at an event in Paonia refer to the current gas market as a "Ponzi scheme" that will fail to meet the expectations of the investors who have put their money into this rapidly expanding development schedule.

     

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/natural-gas-industry-struggles-keep-195212480.html

    1. Very interesting.

      So we invest in a huge pipeline infrastructure and then the well supply collapses out from underneath it because fracked wells dry up much sooner?

      And in the meantime, gas prices fluctuate not based on either supply or demand, but rather on transit between the two.

      Remind me not to get into that investment minefield.

    2. That doesn't bode well for the O&G "clean energy" campaign about natural gas helping to reduce emissions. Of course it does – and if we're really really lucky it will last us just long enough to get real renewable clean energy generation installed.

  3. The rate of decline on unconvetional wells is at a magnitude signficantly greater than the rate for conventional wells meaning that thousands of new wells have to be drilled annually to keep the same amount of gas in the pipelines.  The money seems to be in attracting gullible investors and dumping assets before that treadmill becomes too uneconomical.  

  4. Pointing out facts isn't attacking any poor brainwashed, exploited victims. The brain washing and exploiting is the real attack on the victims who are being steered away from better healthcare coverage that better meet their needs by completely heartless cynical righties hoping to use fear and misinformation to, once again, get people, very much including sick people, to vote against their own best interests. Pretty disgusting.

    AFP doubled down, running another ad where Boonstra tearfully cries about being "silenced" by Gary Peters who questioned her veracity. Julie Boonstra may be the loudest "silenced" person this country has ever known.

    Now Boonstra is making the news again after an excellent bit of journalism by Detroit Newsreporter Marisa Schultz tears her already debunked story to shreds:

    Boonstra said Monday her new plan she dislikes is the Blue Cross Premier Gold health care plan, which caps patient responsibility for out-of-pocket costs at $5,100 a year, lower than the federal law’s maximum of $6,350 a year. It means the new plan will save her at least $1,200 compared with her former insurance plan she preferred that was ended under Obamacare’s coverage requirements.

    A Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan spokesman said the insurer welcomes a chance to help members understand their benefits and alleviate concerns.

    “We are here to help people like Ms. Boonstra to work their way through adjusting to the health plans we are now offering them,” the Blue’s Andy Hetzel said. “If there are questions … they should call.”

    Boonstra’s old plan cost $1,100 a month in premiums or $13,200 a year, she previously told The News. It didn’t include money she spent on co-pays, prescription drugs and other out-of-pocket expenses.

    By contrast, the Blues’ plan premium costs $571 a month or $6,852 for the year. Since out-of-pocket costs are capped at $5,100, including deductibles, the maximum Boonstra would pay this year for all of her cancer treatment is $11,952.

    When advised of the details of her Blues’ plan, Boonstra said the idea that it would be cheaper “can’t be true.”

    “I personally do not believe that,” Boonstra said.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/11/1283774/-Koch-brothers-fake-Obamacare-victim-Julie-Boonstra-made-to-look-even-more-foolish-and-exploited?detail=email

    1. When Ms. Boons tea cries, "I personally do not believe that" I have to wonder who is paying her bills. How can she not notice that's she is paying less for health care? Is she that brainwashed? Are the Koch brothers paying all her bills in exchange for saying it costs more under the AFA? 

        1. Please don't bring up Caddel! That was the hardest thing for us Bennet supporters to forgive Romanoff for this go round. May his name never be spoken in Colorado Dem circles again. Please.

    1. I think it's useless for either party in a non-POTUS election year to call any House or race a "mandate".  This had been a Republican district for decades.  The race was more akin to the 2006 CD4 race in Colorado when Angie Paccione was trying to take out the queen of the "Gods, Guns & Gay" prom, Marilyn Musgrave.  It took the Presidential wave of 2008 for candidate Markey Betsy to dethrone Marilyn.  Any other possible scenario was going to keep Marilyn in office. The Florida dynamics, and the likely outcome, would have probably been different if it had been held in 2016.  (and as one of my uncles once said, "if your aunt had a penis she'd be your uncle").

        1. …and should have read, "God, Guns & Gays" prom.  Fat fingers and navigating a tractor down a county road at the same time makes me look like my edukashion failed me 😉

        1. FL-13 has been held by the now deceased Rep. Young for quite some time, yes. But Obama won the district narrowly in 2012, so it's looked at as a swing district.

          If Florida Democrats can get a viable candidate on the ballot for the November election, it will be hotly contested again in a few months.

  5. Pols, if you're not going to rein in the constant Bagger spamming of the comments sections as we see here above, could you please at least provise us with some sort of "ignore" function to remove/obscure the smelly stains they leave?

    1. Yeah, GLWT — No really I mean GLWT . . .

      I don't know what's up GD site today — I click on the open thread, and 29 comments evaporate and only 3 are showing — (. . . hmm, maybe the ignore is working?? . . .), then I get kciked out, try to log back in and find out I'm now an "undefined" user, refresh, close the browser — go through those same cycles two more times, and then when type http://www.coloradopols.com back into theweb browser I'm back in at the home page and logged in???

      Hey Alva, why not hire one or two of those fantastic CBMS tools that DavidT's always raving on-and-on about?  Or, god help us, even DaivdT hisself? . . .  

      These kind of continuing, systemic, chronic problems means that the most likely "ignore" that's most likely going to happen here, is going to be this whole damn blog by a whole lot of soon-to-become-former posters, ya know?

      surprise

      (thankfuckinggawd smileys are still working, though)

    1. Ah, give her a break.  Maybe she was thinking of the early English settlers in Jamestown or Plymouth Rock.  The quote in your link didn't actually say the Constitution was 400 years old.  That was just the interpretation by the reporter.

      Jamestown[1] was a settlement in the Colony of Virginia, the first permanent English settlement in the Americas. Established by the Virginia Company of London as "James Fort" on May 24, 1607 (O.S., May 14, 1607 N.S.),[2] and considered permanent after brief abandonment in 1610, it followed several earlier failed attempts, including the Lost Colony of Roanoke. Jamestown served as the capital of the colony for 83 years, from 1616 until 1699.

    2. I would not generally categorize Sheila Jackson-Lee in the "Constitutional expert" category, despite her juris doctorate and political science degrees. (How is it that so many people with such lofty degrees manage to look this bad?)

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