Alice Borodkin vs. Joyce Foster

14 thoughts on “Alice Borodkin vs. Joyce Foster”

1. You moderate – online or IRL – but a debate to get them competing.

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   1. You won’t be voting on local races at the caucuses.

      For Dems, the only “votes” that will take place during the Feb 5 caucuses (cauci?) are to express preferences for US President and US Senate.

      Your local candidates should start coming out of the woodwork around County Assembly time. Depending on whether there are going to be primaries in your district, the real heavy duty activity might not get going until later in the spring or early summer.

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      1. I thought that we were also electing Delegates/Alternates to the County Assembly and Convention as well and so local politics might also come into it.  A bit.

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2. Vote for the woman who has real legislative experience – not the one with a prominent name and a history of questionable ethics on City Council (see how much business David Foster was able to accomplish with mommy on Council).

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3. I started helping out on a different race, but I’ve got to say I think they are both Comparatively weak.

   I think Alice’s voting record is fine it you are a progressive, but she’s never been a chair or vice chair of a committe in her 8 years so she is not much of a leader.  She also says things like “you couldn’t pay me a million bucks to be on the JBC” or “I’ve been there 8 years and I still don’t understand TABOR”.

   She has a throw her hands in the air attitude, her first statement is always let me tell you how hard it is to get anything done.

   Joyce is more likeable, but she doesn’t seem to have well developed positions.  Her city bias is understandable because of her time on the city council, but it just won’t do in a statewide legislative body.  She also needs a better understanding of the fiscal issues.

   I don’t know what I would do.

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   1. Considering she does sit on the House Finance committee.

      But than again, so does Garcia, Lambert, Lundberg and Bruce, which are all strange legislators.

      But I’m willing to bet Bruce understands TABOR 😉

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      1. In fairness, Alice was in the minority for her first two terms so committee chairmanships were out of the question.

         I have worked with Alice on some issues, and did some tangential things on some of Foster’s council issues.  I was not close to Foster to get a feeling for her abilities, but I remember not being overwhelmed.

         I found Alice to be a very hard worker on her issues – the human trafficking issue is a good example.  She is very outspoken and direct, and sometimes rubs people the wrong way, but she is diligent.

         I also am in SD35 and will support Alice for the nomination.  

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4. When the session is over Andrew Romanoff will endorse Joyce Foster. Joyce will win by a large margin.  

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6. We live right next door to Borodkin’s district though in Arapahoe county.  We didnt have her support when it came to the emissions loophole when she sat on the transportation committee.  She was very wishy washy on that though her district is in the enhanced emissions area.  She didnt care that though cars were not supposed to be sold without a good certificate that cars were still sold and wouldnt toughen the law so the average person would not be harmed.  We tried several times though when she was on the committee with our own Senator Williams.  

   Dont know Joyce Foster.  We wouldnt vote for Borodkin if we could.

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7. I think your comments are some what valid concerning the meat of these candidates issues and goals, but I struggle to find the answers to your questions at both the local and federal level.  The comment I am trying to make, you made in the last couple sentences of your comment.  You are living in an idealistic world, politics today has been framed and will continued to be framed as a popularity contest.  Barak and Hilary both say they want universal health care well how are they going to make that a reality?  There is no clear cut answer, especially considering the whole dynamic of government will have changed by the time they get into office.  Same in the Foster/Borodkin race, as well as any other race you look at, specifics are not for campaigning, I’m sorry but thats just the reality.  You are voting on the person who you think will be able to do something about the ‘pie in the sky,’ not who has the better strategy.  Strategy can only come out once in office and equipped with the knowledge needed to move forward on things like universal health care.  I mean for example the 208 commission just came out with their report yesterday on the possibility of universal healthcare, and not only was their answer disappointing to say the least, but it yet again changes the playing field for candidates “strategy.”  So I guess at the end of the day people did read your diary, you are living in an idealistic world, and campaign does need to change but how?  With that being said, Foster got a ton done on City Council, whether it was helping Denver get a light rail or helping revitalize the Uhills shopping center she seems to have the area’s best interest at heart. Borodkin at these debates as of late seems to be caught up in the slow workings of government and is not reaching for the ‘pie in the sky.’  I guess to cap off my long rant, I would say that I would rather have someone who has a record of getting a lot of good things done for the area then someone who gets me depressed over how slow government moves and seems unwilling to reach for the so-called impossible.  Anyway thats just my stance and who really cares other than myself.  

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   1. Survives contact with reality.  But that does not mean that we should not plan.  The plan at least gives a direction to go in, something to work with, rather than making it up out of thin air as things go along.  

      Likewise I think that a specific proposal, even if it does not get enacted into law, is better than feel good platitudes.  “I’m for education”.  Great.  Who isn’t?  Tell me something useful about how you think.  What makes you different than the other candidate who is also saying “I’m for education”.  Plans give an idea of how thoughtful or organized a politician is.  It also points out where they are starting from rather than trying to make a guess about a person’s personality or something like that.  

      Issues do matter.

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8. Talk with Borodkin–she is extremely accessable and yes, has opinions.  T-Rex (public transp in general) is not over, and transportation is a major state issue and development of light rail is an ongoing issue.  She’s on the finance committee and the transportation and energy committee.  She may say she doesn’t understand it but who is the audience–lots of people would like to believe a woman does not understand it and there’s lot of stuff not to understand in our state perspectives.  She came across on the phone as direct and willing to do work on issues.  

   Joyce Foster and her husband have a great reputation in the nonprofit/civil rights areas in Denver but how can you support someone whose barely made a dent in the outrageous conflict of interest problems in Denver?  I don’t want that laissez faire attitude going into the state senate.  As much as I might like her personally, what matters to me is what gets done–or what is allowed to “pass” through the gates that should never happen.  I think Joyce is too passive and even if Romanoff endorses her I could not let that make a difference for me.  Sorry, but there is an issue of future contribution sourcesfor campaign money in that sort of endorsement as far as I am concerned.

   Borodkin may be right or wrong on the taxi issue but we will find out in the next year and the baby did not get thrown out with the bath water on that one.
   

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