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March 10, 2025 12:49 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“A lost battle is a battle one thinks one has lost.”

–Jean-Paul Sartre

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17 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. Tesla stock has finally dropped below where it was on Election Day. Sorry to anyone who owns the stock, sorry if anyone loses jobs because of this, but a big old Pee Wee Herman "I'm not sorry" to the mushrat.

    1. I have a cousin who works for Tesla in Nevada. I really do hope he keeps his job. That's as close as I come to Tesla–not a good investment at this time. 

      1. Hope he keeps his job too. Cybertrucks are butt ugly IMO, but I know a fair number of buyers of other Teslas who are both very happy with their cars and gobsmacked by its CEO.

        1. I got tired of the drama and sold my TSLA stock last October.  I love both my Model Ys which really don't have any competition that fit my needs currently. But in the next couple of years, that will change (I have a Rivian R2 reservation if that turns out to be as good as I expect it to be).

          I wouldn't normally care what Elon's political/personal beliefs are, except he chose to insert himself into the political arena. Government can't nor should be run like a business. Elon is proving that to our detriment for all the world to see, goaded on by Trump. Both are carnival barkers that have been given immense power that they are wielding recklessly, shattering laws, traditions, institutions, and tragically, lives. In order for business to thrive for risk-taking entrepreneurs, governments need to be stable.

          Kleptocracies like Russia, Turkey and over time, most Central and South American dictatorships suffer economic hardship, hyperinflation, and corruption where only the 1% thrive through crony capitalism while the vast majority live in poverty. That is the path Trump has started us down.

          Today's market dump might get Trump's attention (Elon probably doesn't care).  But the market has a long way to fall, and Trump doesn't have a clue about how to stop the bleeding.  Maybe he'll call off the tariff war with a "It was only a joke" excuse.  But today's GOP is infested with idiots that never learn, and simply double down on their failed policies.  It's going to be a very painful few years, even if the recovery started tomorrow.

          1. To your second paragraph, I sort of expect business owners to hold at least some conservative beliefs because things like reasonably lower taxes and minimal red tape are in their natural personal interests, and I'll do business with them unless they really go off the rails. And while I think the whole "run government like a business" thing misunderstands the purpose of government, at least don't run government like 2022-23 Twitter! If Twitter ultimately fails, the world will carry on, but there will be serious consequences if the US gives up on federally-supported science, health and safety standards, international relations, fairness in voting, financial regulations, etc etc etc etc etc.

            1. Agreed.  As Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman likes to say — the government is an insurance company with an army.  It's job is to protect us from outsize danger and excessive risk.  A non-profit one, at that.

    2. Yahoo finance reported this morning:

      The "Magnificent Seven" stocks were at the center of another sell-off hitting markets Monday.

      Shares of Nvidia (NVDA), Tesla (TSLA), Alphabet (GOOG, GOOGL), Amazon (AMZN), Meta (META), Apple (AAPL), and Microsoft (MSFT) all fell, with Tesla's more than 8% drop leading the way down. Five of the seven megacap names saw drops of over 4%.

      Following the link in the article, it shows TSLA at $235.70, -$26.97, -10.27%

  2. Just proves you can teach an former Airborne Ranger officer just about anything…now, can he recruit Dem candidates that have policy postions that aren't just "Repub-lite?" We will see….

    Jason Crow takes top Dem post, won't seek Colorado governor's office

    The Aurora congressman is now the co-chair for candidate recruitment for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, Axios Denver has learned.

    https://www.axios.com/local/denver/2025/03/10/jason-crow-dccc-recruitment-colorado-governor

  3. Every social change that was made in the 20th century to increase inclusion will, apparently, need to be argued always forever. It's fucking exhausting. There is no such thing as "winning".

    If we believe people who are not straight, white, healthy Christian men from America should also be treated with respect and dignity then we have to fight all the time for forever.

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5185610-supreme-court-colorado-conversion-therapy/

    1. I know you’ll supposed to be polite and even a bit supportive of your guests but the whole starting paragraph of saying DeGraaf is somehow a viable candidate in a state like Colorado had me very confused (“If the Republicans nominate him as Governor or U.S. Senator, we’ve got one hell of a fight on our hands”). Are we talking about the same DeGraaf? He’s closer to the MAGA faction of the COGOP than the now almost extinct moderate branch of Colorado conservatives. Colorado isn’t a swing state anymore plus DeGraaf is much more right-wing than majority of the state’s electorate by a large margin.

      Sure he comes across as reasonable and kind in a one-to-one interview only discussing a few limited topics. But tell him about national politics, even details over state politics and you’ll realize how far away from reality he really is. If even the most popular Republican in Colorado, Trump, was still walloped by a double-digit margin here, I don’t think a sorta generic wannabe Trumpian will surpass him AND eliminate the huge margin enough to win in a state like Colorado.  

  4. Perennial clown show Holtorf –  the new savior of the Colorado GOP?

    It is hard to think the GOP leadership could sink lower than Dave Williams, but it appears there is competition in the race to minority party status. This weekend Richard Holtorf announced his candidacy for Colorado Republican Party Chair on a slate with crackpot Danielle Nueshwanger (recently returned to the GOP afrer a failed bid for governor as a fringe 3rd party candidate).

    Should the 400 or so people who get to choose the new head of their party pick Holtorf, their descent into minority party status is all but guaranteed.  What will take it’s place?  I for one hope there is a centerist party of reason that will rise up from the ashes.

    For your entertainment, here are a few on Holtof’s greatest hits.

    That time he called out an opponent (Boebert) for dressing like a prostitute:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJehNbQjR9g

    Calling a fellow legislator “Buckwheat” from the well:

    https://youtu.be/iYkvOUWsdeY?si=XRxtB1agLA27—E

    That time he dropped his gun at the capitol:

    https://www.durangoherald.com/articles/colorado-lawmaker-drops-gun-in-capitol-while-hurrying-to-abortion-vote/

    That time the guy who doesn’t want you to be able to have an abortion paid for his girlfriend’s abortion:

    https://ethicsalarms.com/2024/06/16/a-pro-life-advocate-is-caught-in-hypocrisy-good-and-good-journalism/

    1. And that hat. I'll tell you Republicans tend to have this; regardless of if you are rural or urban, a hat is not a personality, and you certainly don't wear it indoors. Yes, the building is very big, big enough for your hat to be in your hands. Man I hate the BS cowboy hat people.

  5. Tina Nguyen & the MAGA Diaries. Via Rachel Bitecofer.

    Good read from Bitecofer about a young conservative activist who turned into an actual journalist.

    MAGA speaks with one unified, well funded, centralized voice bashing Democrats 24/7 using infrastructure capable of hitting millions of people a day: we do not because as of today, we can not.

    Until and unless we create that brain trust, fund it to the tune of billions of dollars, and use it to get the DNC, DCCC, DSCCC, DLCC, and DGA (AT LEAST) humming the same tune the Democratic Party will remain incapable of meeting this moment. 

    (Ngueyn), A young conservative activist, trained to believe in the power and danger of America’s “Professional Left” found out there is no such thing. The thing she was trained to fear doesn’t exist. 

    So, if you want to understand why Democrats seem inept right now its because we have no brain trust. We have no small room of very smart people with a shit ton of money and authority strategizing on to how fund, build, and run the infrastructure we need to compete with the propaganda machine Republicans have spent decades financing and perfecting. 

    Instead we have a series of barely connected party organizations, tons of 501c3s, and SuperPACs like Future Forward, who managed to waste nearly a billion dollars on positive ads on Harris that allowed 60% of swing voters to have positive memories of Trump’s first term.

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