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November 08, 2024 01:06 AM UTC

Friday Open Thread

  • 33 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“Uncertainty is the refuge of hope.”

–Henri Frederic Amiel

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33 thoughts on “Friday Open Thread

  1. Mope then think rationally. Trump respects power and he likes flattery. Now is the time to take prisoners. Colorado should be prosecuting as much of the 2020 voter fraud cases now! These can be used in prisoner exchange.

    Second we need to set up a propaganda wing of communications to expand Colorado Democrat values. Build a brand. Donald Trump hates his followers we should build his brand better a thin sexy brand of young sane thinkers who have fun sexy times. Stop chuckling to yourself, you live in the Trump administration timeline, do you want to win?

    Remember this guy beat you! His religious group beat our national organization. https://religionnews.com/2024/11/05/jason-yates-promoted-christian-values-as-ceo-of-my-faith-votes-he-now-faces-child-porn-charges/ 

  2. Why the Latinos voted for him …..

    Maybe these folks saw that a joke – even an offensive and distasteful one – is only a joke and not a hate crime.

    They were more concerned about who would protect their jobs and who would keep prices from going up again.

    The Dems may want to find themselves a left-wing populist if they want to compete successfully.

     

      1. Bernie? Maybe the third time will be the charm. 

        I actually had a younger, vibrant version of Joe Biden or a Bill Clinton in mind. Someone with whom those voters in Scranton could identify.

        Bernie is free to give his Free Stuff shtick another run in ’28 although God only knows how we would pay for that stuff after the “yuge and bigley” tax cuts Trump is going to give us next year.

        1. No, not Bernie. I was just LOL-ing at the Dems need to find a populist. Clearly they want the opposite of that based on the past 3 elections.

          Maybe we have a different understanding of "left-wing" and "populist." 

          1. How did the Powers-That-Be block Bernie in 2020? 

            What happened was Warren siphoned off some of the hard left votes that would otherwise have gone to Bernie.

    1. Whatever the people voting for Trump think, the people who examined the implications of his policies are clear —

      • Trump's plans create MORE inflation, MORE taxes for middle and lower classes, LESS certainty about sand ocial services, health insurance access, and health insurance coverage 
      • If he actually does what he says he wants to do with immigrants, there will be less housing being built, much higher prices for food and many services, and less access to care for the elderly and the young.
      • there will be a substantial cut in federal employment and federal contracting, which means a loss of opportunity and a loss of taxes … with negative impact on Social Security and Medicare over the longer term. 

       

      1. When Trump announces his new tariffs, they should be called exactly what they really are:  "Trump's Tax Hike on Consumers".

        Businesses have to weigh the risk of shifting their supply chain from China to other lesser developed economies, against the risk of Trump randomly attacking other countries exports with more tariffs.

        With tariffs looming, businesses try to “run from a moving target”

        In a study published this week, the National Retail Federation argued that Trump’s proposed tariffs on apparel, toys, furniture, appliances, footwear and travel goods alone would cost consumers an extra $46 billion to $78 billion a year.

        Moving out of China would pose a “Niagara Falls-level waterfall of challenges,” Foreman said. “There will not be enough production capacity in Vietnam, Mexico or India for all the production that will be moving out of China.

        “Finally, what’s to say that China is the target this year, but Trump sits down with President Xi, and they have a really good time with each other?” Foreman added, referring to Xi Jinping, the leader of China.

        Trump could quickly move the target to Vietnam or India, he said. “You risk a lot more by upsetting a smooth supply chain and production base than by trying to run from a moving target.”

  3. The last post from "pyro boy" Rob Reiner on his X account is "Kamala Harris will be the 47th President of the United States"  posted on November 5, election day. Since then nothing.  One hopes the Meat Head is safe and in the care of mental health professionals experienced with treating those with Stage Four TDS.

    Of course the liberal celebrity Trump haters  never carry out their promises (one can only wish they did). In 2016 Barbara Streisand promised to move to Canada if Trump was elected president. The Canadian government even offered her a permant work visa as long as she sang  Oh Canada before every hockey game, but alas eight years later Babs is still with us.

     

    1. Zzzzzz.  You can't even gloat well.  But just remember, trump will not last long.  He's old, obese, and demented.  Nice hero you've chosen.  Take pride in your clown.  But brace for the cost of tariffs.  Welcome to 1893!

      1. Trump did rallys in Raleigh, Reading, Pittsburgh, and Grand Rapids all in one day. Hardly sounds like someone with one foot in the grave.  He'll be replacing the Feeble Feckless Fossile who could hardly put two sentences together or walk across a stage. And in four years there will likely be a 44 year old candidate who could become the youngest president since JFK.

        1. Trump's staff tried to keep him as under wraps as possible, due to "exhaustion." Sure he did multiple rallies. But if you tracked him closely as I did, much of his commentary was pretty incoherent. In fact, he was so uniformly incoherent that those rallies began to run together after a while. 

          Bottom line, Allyn, is you got the president you wanted. Enjoy the ride.

          1. I'm certain he was tired keeping up that rally schedule. I would listen to some of his rally speeches and his propensity to ramble on in a stream of conciousness delivery and would sometimes appear incoherent. But then that was Trump. Some of his speeches went over an hour and I would turn them off. I don't think he should have given a speech more than 45 minutes and more structured. But again that's Trump and he's the president elect and I'm not.

            1. Another well known political figure, now deceased, was also known for giving long speeches, Allyn. Name was Fidel Castro. Another strong man who Trump would admire greatly if Fidel was still living. 

        2. Well, a couple inches difference and he would have been in an actual grave.  But here we are.  If you think he's smart, competent, and thoughtful, then you are as smart, competent, and thoughtful as he.  

    2. I remember Limbaugh saying he'd move to Costa Rica if Obama was reelected.  He died in the US.  Ted Nugent said he'd be dead if Obama was reelected and, for better or worse, he's still alive.

      Bottom line, celebrites of all stripes say stupid things…we just have more celebrites than you do.

      1. I agree its ridiculous for any celebrity to makes statements like moving out of the country if their candidate doesn't win, left or right. I guess its a function of the antipathy against Trump by many celebrity types. Seems to be more liberals making these statements than conservatives. But if Kid Rock or Hulf Hogan said the same I could care less. Celebrity endorsments or pronounments mean nothing to me – anyone who would vote on that basis is an idiot. Participating in a democracy means doing the work and knowing what the issues are and deciding for yourself, not the advice of some bimbo celebrity. 

        1. WIth respect, those of us on the left may listen to celebrity endorsements….y'all actually nominate and elect your celebrities!  Ronald Reagan. Donald Trump. Arnold Swarzenegger. Fred Grandy. Sonny Bono. Clint Eastwood.  Fred Thompson.

    3. As a proud Democrat who really wanted Harris to win, I REALLY don't care about anything being posted on X. I especially don't care about Rob Reiner's usage of the platform.

  4. Democrats have had a problem with effective messaging for a long time, BUT blaming the Democrats misses the core issue: Propaganda works! Lies work! People in the US have been propagandized (by right wing media and right wing political "leaders") to believe that the Dems caused inflation, the Dems caused foreigners to believe the promise of the Statue of Liberty (who, last I heard, was headed back to France), the Dems caused the lack of upward mobility (why can't we all be billionaires like Trump). And there is always "the other" to blame for everything that goes wrong in my life.

    Nina Burleigh sums it up well:  https://open.substack.com/pub/americanpoliticalfreakshow/p/the-unforgiven?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

     

    1. When feeding people lies, it's important to also feed us fear because if we're afraid enough then we won't be willing to be vulnerable enough to challenge the lies.

  5. My latest Creating a New Paradigm for the Democratic Party – Change is hard, but irrelevance is worse

    As I wrote in my discussion of what happened, we Democrats need to come up with a new paradigm. Otherwise, we’ll be left working to tweak the details of the Republicans new system they’re busily working to make the baseline political philosophy of the country.

    We can, and should, stay true to our ideology of helping everyone and treating everyone equally. Being open and supportive to all. But what that means – we need to radically change.

    The following are my thoughts, at the moment of what we need to do. And for each, then some specifics. And this will be fought by many because most of the activists in the party are very comfortable with our present philosophy. Fundamental change is hard.

     

    1. Could you imagine Democrats pushing to overturn NEPA to address climate change and not having the environmental lawyer faction go absolutely nuts?  The inter-party fratricide would be amazing.

      I agree that it makes sense from a deregulatory perspective but that would be kind of bold measures, along with development review and zoning deregulation, that Democrats would never get behind because it’s views as too pro-market.

      Look at Denver and the failed Issue 2R (should the currents results hold).  Instead of pushing to make market conditions more receptive to increase density, the preferred solution was for the City to control where development would go, maintaining maximum say.

  6. It wasn't the message, it was the medium. Combined with a highly ignorant populace.

    Harris is/was a great candidate with popular policy proposals. Her ground game was spectacular and gained her 3 points, as shown by those swing states in which the GOTV was most active. Unfortunately, 2024 was a negative 7 point environment.

    The primary problem was not Democratic messaging, rather Republican dominance of the communication channels. They flooded Fox, Social Media & Podcasts with lies, dis-information and distraction. If you live in that bubble you would have been swamped by Republican messaging. You probably thought Trump was pro-abortion and had a magic wand to lower prices.

    I think MAGA voters will be very disappointed by the Trump and Vance government.

    Another couple of thoughts on the 2024 political environment.

    Inflation affects everyone, while unemployment only affects a few people, concentrated in lower income and more fragile job categories. While the correct policy and moral choice is to balance high employment with low inflation, the correct electoral choice would be to lower prices.

    Note the word prices. People wanted disinflation – which they ain't gonna get without a depression.

    Disinflation anyone?

    Economists are sitting fat and happy because the wage-price spiral slowly spun down. But most people think inflation means high prices, which remain high even if wages have gone up. What do those stupid economists think? Houses are still unaffordable. 

    Interest rates, Investment Strategy and Leverage.

    Low interest rates favor anyone in the asset-owning class, but don't mean squat to a wage earner. Borrow to buy a house; leverage your real-estate holdings; your cash-flow pours into the stock-market.

    Lower Taxes.

    People don't understand that Tarrifs are taxes. It says tarrifs, it doesn't say taxes! And China is going to pay the tarrifs, anyway.

    Middle class people vote for school funding, but the rich and the poor are both anxious for lower taxes. The rich because they don't need social security if their IRA's are flush and their houses are appreciating. Lower income people are desperate for a break so they can keep up car payments and pay rent.

     

    1. Another silver lining, more or less. I get the humorous emails from Rino Watch dot com. On the latest, something named Leroy Spicer, Semper Fi, nominated Jeff Hurd (CD-3), Jeff Crank (CD-5) and Gabe Evans (CD-8) for the Rino Watch “Hall of Shame” because they’re not conservative enough.

      Whatever happens in D.C., the Colorado GOP will apparently continue to be bogged down in the MAGA vs. MAGA “civil war.”

      1. I was thinking about those two going to DC. You realize that the CO GOP House delegation went from Ken Buck, Doug Lamborn and my namesake to Crank, Hurd, and my namesake. 

        They're still saddled with Madam Bettlejuice but the rest of the delegation has, at least marginally, improved with those other two. 

        I'm not expecting Gabe-ish to pull ahead of Caraveo. Caraveo is just squeaking by, probably as a result of her getting onto the anti-immigrant bandwagon just enough to satisfy unaffiliated voters who are concerned about the border.

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