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June 27, 2024 08:08 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“You learn how to be a gracious winner and an outstanding loser.”

–Joe Namath


17 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

  1. I'm interested in the betting line on how many people will make plans to leave the country after tonight's debate, or will have existing drug problems exacerbated.

  2. Condolences to the Sackler family.  They drew the short straw on which billionaire was going to be thrown under the bus by the Supremes in an attempt to not appear they’re not a wholly-owned subsidiary of the entire billionaire class. 

    They were sooooooo close.

    1. Sacklers didn't LOSE money.  The Extremes only said they could be inconvenienced in a trial, and the outcome is not pre-determined. SCOTUSblog

      The court rules in Harrington v. Purdue Pharma L.P. that the bankruptcy code does not authorize a multi-billion-dollar bankruptcy plan for Purdue Pharma, the maker of the highly addictive opioid painkiller OxyContin, that would release members of the Sackler family, which owned the company but did not declare bankruptcy, from any future liability for claims against them.

      I don't recall that the Sacklers were substantial donors to the Leonard Leo labyrinth of "nonprofit" organizations or dinner hosts for any members of the Extreme Court. So perhaps they have not yet fully joined the Billionaires Club and thus don't have full member benefits.

      1. That was my point. At the time of the $6b deal they were reportedly worth $13b. They didn’t want to get Alex-Jones’d. This decision reopens that closed door. 

        They are the perfect sacrificial lamb.

    1. Dave Williams does have that orange turd reverse midas touch to him. Just like his dear leader, everything he touches turns to shit. I hope they throw him out on his ass. 

    2. > “I think if he has half a brain, he should resign,” said state Senator Larry Liston. “He needs to not only resign, but quite frankly he's a bigot and he should move out of the state of Colorado.”

      Please, Larry, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. lol

      (I agree with Senator Liston on this)

    1. Like you said…for fucks' sake!

      Save that brain for science…it must be related to the brain of A. B. Normal of "Young Frankenstein" fame.🙂


    2. As soon as Rep. Boebert finds the commanding officer of the Commander in Chief


      a standing order that says the civilians in charge of the military must take drug tests, I'll agree the President must take a drug test. 

      In the meantime, compare the details and candor of the medical exam results released to the public during the previous guy's Sad!-ministration and the current guy's Administration.

      While we are at it, the generals (and lots of others) file "OGE Form 278e, Public Financial Disclosure Report, using the Integrity system."  Why don't we get former Presidents and the current President to file a similar disclosure?

      1. I'm leery of "food insecurity" stats, Nuances in the definition & how prevalence is measured vary. "Food insecure households are uncertain of having, or unable to acquire, at some time during the year, enough food to meet the needs of all their members because they had insufficient money or other resources for food."

        The 2023 Kids Count report had a couple of data points based on what I believe to be a little more solidly gathered infomation. :

        • Although Colorado’s overall child poverty rate sits well below the national rate of 17% [in October 2023, "Among Colorado children under the age of 18, the poverty rate fell from 11.8% to 11.1%"], some communities in our state have child poverty rates more than twice the national average. Costilla County had the highest child poverty rate in the state in 2021, at 36%. Douglas County had the state’s lowest child poverty rate, at just 3%.
        • Colorado has stubborn disparities in child poverty rates by race and ethnicity – the result of a long history of policies that have created and maintained barriers to opportunity for people of color. Between 2017 and 2021, poverty rates for American Indian or Alaska Native children and Black or African-American children in Colorado were triple the rates for white children; the poverty rate for Hispanic or Latino children in our state was more than double the rate for white children.
  3. Exaggerations are a problem — whether done by right or left, elites or populists. An article that ONLY examines the left and elites is tendentious in its own way.

    I have been a debater, coach, and judge for many years.  In academic debate, I've seen all sorts of exaggerations about the extent of problems, extraordinary optimism about how things could change and solve those problems, and doomsday scenarios saying that if a solution is implemented, extraordinary bad things will happen. Following "real world" debates in several areas, I'd opine the argumentative extremes are a touch less exaggerated, but ignoring well-established facts, not considering scenarios that do not support a pre-existing mindset, and ignoring fair-minded assessment of the arguments of opponents happen nearly as often.  It is up to the participants in those real-world debates to advocate and offer rebuttals. Expecting self-control or some sort of omniscient “decider” of which claims are “right” defies the experience of rhetoric from Plato, Aristotle & other dead Greeks to the present day.  


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