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July 12, 2023 06:59 AM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Fortune knocks but once, but misfortune has much more patience.”

–Laurence J. Peter

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19 thoughts on “Wednesday Open Thread

    1. OK, I'll bite – who's supposed to learn what from history? a) voters who don't understand the consequences of letting the wrong person win even after four years of TFG; b) Democrats if they won't change their core platform positions to appeal to far leftists; c) minor-party candidates not taking the Presidential spoiler effect seriously or denying it altogether; d) media that won't grill candidates like West on their ability to do what the job actually entails…e) other?

      1. I'm hoping that what we learn is b). Hillary Clinton became much more popular after she started adopting Bernie Sander's positions on student loan forgiveness and a public health option, arguably "far left positions" at the time.

        Today's "far left position" is tomorrow's "mainstream party platform". See, Biden, student loan forgiveness program ( even though it was derailed by House GOP), and the continuing success and expansion of "Obamacare" into rural and underserved areas.

        Dr. West is a brilliant and charismatic leader. I'm hoping his positions push Biden farther to the left. I don't want the Green Party to act as a 2024 spoiler – but our democracy does provide for many voices across the political spectrum. It kind of goes with the territory.

        1. You'd have to remind me of Clinton's position on student loan forgiveness and a public health option — since my recollection is she consistently limited both those policy areas.

           * she consistently opposed broad college loan forgiveness, linking any such forgiveness to specific career tracks. and

           * her "Medicare for More" idea of expanding to those 50+ and a vague announcement that she would work with states for a public health option

          If she did more beyond those positions, when did it happen?  How does it link to her public polling?  Real Clear Politics 2016 President

           

          Dr. West is a brilliant, multi-talented individual.  My earliest recollection is from the 2000 race: he went from working for Bill Bradley to endorsing Ralph Nader.  In 2016, he endorsed Sanders, then endorsed Stein.  Apparently, he'd rather be progressive than practical.  Unfortunately, his endorsements did a bit to sink candidacies of Dole and Clinton, contributing to Bush43 and Trump. 

          1. In 1992, Hillary Clinton had a big and beautiful health care plan which would have had the government running the entire industry. (A socialist's wet dream come true.)

            It led to the House going Republican for the first time since 1952 and Newt Gingrich becoming speaker.

            Once bitten, twice shy as the saying goes.

      2. Dr. Jung, to answer your questions, I’d say (a) and (c).

        As far as the media grilling the vanity candidates (e.g., West, Stein, Nader, Johnson), I actually think it is best if the media ignored them. Giving them a platform only gives them the opportunity to pick off more voters.

        (Remember back in 2016 when the only newsworthy thing to come out of Gary Johnson’s mouth was his remark about not know what an Aleppo was?)

        The last third party/independent candidate to get grilled by the press was Ross Perot and he was polling competitively until he dropped out of the race only to drop back in.

         

        1. Gary Johnson actually knew something about governing since he had served as governor of New Mexico. Can't say that about Nader, Stein, or West, regardless of whatever high regard some around here have for the three spoilers.

      1. I love Santana, just don't want him to run a no-hope minor-party Presidential candidacy in which his votes help hand a battleground state(s) over to the Rs and we wind up with 4 long torturous years of T***p or DeSatan or Haley or Christie, or maybe even worse. (I know Santana can't actually do this,  he was born in Mexico, but I'm using artistic license)

        1. Christie wouldn't be THAT bad although I predict that if he were to be elected president, there would be a lot of traffic congestion around bridges and tunnels. In blue states.

      1. Depends on whose money it is. I remember fondly back in 2004 when the four millionaires funded the Democratic takeover of the Colorado legislature. Thank you, Governor Polis, Tim Gill, Pat Stryker and Rutt Bridges!

  1. This should literally scare the Bejezus out of everyone.  (Unfortunately, it won’t concern many or nearly enough of our Bejezus crowd.)

    How Hot Is the Sea Off Florida Right Now? Think 90s Fahrenheit.

    Florida’s coral reefs are facing what could be an unprecedented threat from a marine heat wave that is warming the Gulf of Mexico, pushing water temperatures into the 90s Fahrenheit.

    The biggest concern for coral isn’t just the current sea surface temperatures in the Florida Keys, even though they are the hottest on record. The daily average surface temperature off the Keys on Monday was just over 90 degrees Fahrenheit, or 32.4 Celsius, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

    The real worry, scientists say, is that it’s only July. Corals typically experience the most heat stress in August and September.

    “We’re entering uncharted territories,” Derek Manzello, an ecologist and the coordinator of NOAA’s Coral Reef Watch program, said.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/12/climate/florida-ocean-temperatures-reefs.html

    and 

    Floods, Heat, Smoke: The Weather Will Never Be Normal Again:

    Off the coast of Florida, the water was nearly as warm as a hot tub — 95 degrees according to one buoy, 97 degrees according to another. It was just last month when life-threatening heat indexes as high as 125 simply parked in Puerto Rico for days on end. According to a coral bleaching forecast published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, there is likely to be bleaching across the entire Caribbean this summer. It’s not clear how much will survive. According to some estimates, as much as 50 percent of the world’s oceans will experience marine heat wave conditions this summer; normally the figure is about 10 percent.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/12/opinion/floods-vermont-heat-fires.html

    If you are able, take a look at the temperature maps in that first article. Last month I dove the south Caribbean in the warmest ocean water I’ve ever encountered, at 87* F. (I’d never seen above 83* before anywhere, anytime.) I thought 87* had to be incorrect and that my dive computer thermometer needed recalibration!!!

    This is truly approaching existential for our oceans and marine life; that will mean existential for myriad species beyond them, too!

    (Related at: https://coralreefwatch.noaa.gov/satellite/index.php)

     

    1. Meanwhile, Fox News is telling its following that Hunter Biden's laptop, the Bud Lite boycott, and the crisis at the border are the top most pressing issues.

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