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June 27, 2023 08:04 AM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“We have to do with the past only as we can make it useful to the present and the future.”

–Frederick Douglass

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22 thoughts on “Tuesday Open Thread

  1. The Supreme Court decides to not kill off our democracy just yet. The SCOTUS Quackjob wing’s desire for a theocratic dictatorship will have to wait for another day.

    Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel A. Alito Jr. and Neil M. Gorsuch dissented.

    1. The AP's explanation is a bit less cryptic:

      WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that state courts can act as a check on their legislatures in redistricting and other issues affecting federal elections, rejecting arguments by North Carolina Republicans that could have transformed contests for Congress and president.

      The justices by a 6-3 vote upheld a decision by North Carolina’s top court that struck down a congressional districting plan as excessively partisan under state law.

      However, the article continues:

      The practical effect of the decision is minimal in that the North Carolina Supreme Court, under a new Republican majority, already has undone its redistricting ruling.

      Justices Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch would have dismissed the case because of the intervening North Carolina court action.

      The North Carolina example is telling:

      The state’s Democratic governor, Roy Cooper, praised Tuesday’s decision, but also implicitly acknowledged that it does nothing to inhibit Republicans who control the legislature from drawing a congressional map that is more favorable to them.

      Cooper, who by state law can’t block redistricting plans approved by lawmakers, said that “Republican legislators in North Carolina and across the country remain a very real threat to democracy as they continue to pass laws to manipulate elections for partisan gain by interfering with the freedom to vote.”

      1. "Justices Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch would have dismissed the case because of the intervening North Carolina court action"

        That's because they wanted to leave the question open so that in 2025, if Trump is re-elected and gets to appoint Sidney Powell and Jenna Ellis to the Supreme Court, there will be a majority to adopt the harebrain scheme.

      2. Philip Bump agrees with me: Democracy survives another day

        Here is the root issue in question:

        In a relatively narrow sense, the rejection of this theory was a dual victory for democracy and the fair allocation of power. The most obvious sense is the one at issue in the case. North Carolina drew boundaries seen as unfairly benefiting Republicans and a state court ordered the lines to be redrawn. The Supreme Court case upheld that decision.

        By rejecting the “independent state legislature” theory, the court also effectively answered a what-if from the 2020 election. Then, Donald Trump sought to retain the power of the presidency by having state legislatures use contrived rationales to declare that the results in their states were invalid. 

    1. " . . . including the millions & millions of dollars he extorted from foreign countries!"

      It's like Ttump (“See as president I could have declassified it. Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”) just can't help but openly confessing his myriad personal crimes?

      I can't say he enjoys being a criminal, but he obviously enjoys folks knowing he's committed crimes and then tremendously enjoys their worshipfully allowing him to get away with crimes that no one else could. I guess that's his way of always feeling special?

       

    2. "Clinton Socks Case……"

      I thought Socks was the name of Chelsea Clinton's cat. The Orange Caligula becomes more unhinged by the week.

      1. You aren't paying enough attention to the nuances of the nutso. 

        Clinton "Socks" refers to the tapes of interviews by Taylor Branch — a journalist / historian and friend — of Bill Clinton, part of the material for an eventual book The Clinton Tapes: Wrestling History with the President (2009).

        "Judicial Watch, a conservative group, asked the court in 2010 to declare the tapes presidential records under the Presidential Records Act."

        Judge Amy Jackson ruled The Presidential Records Act "does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President,"

        https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/jun/12/why-the-bill-clinton-sock-drawer-case-is-not-compa/

         

         

         

        1. Hmmm. Had not heard of this. Bill Clinton's administration then was old news.

          Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch then, and now, is a far right wing idiot trying to wrap himself up in "non-partisan clothes."

  2. Jennifer Rubin urges readers to Follow the money: No Labels can’t hide its right-wing ties — Gift link/No $$

    Equally baffling: the No Labels vow to drop out of the race if Biden is way ahead next spring (but not if he’s a little ahead?) or if Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is the nominee. (Is it only Trump for whom they wish to siphon votes from Biden?)

    No wonder some prominent allies of No Labels in the past, including New York Times columnist David Brooks and Brookings Institution policy scholar William Galston, have called foul and withdrawn their support. We are left to ponder: Would No Labels be doing anything differently if it were a front group for Republicans out to sink Biden?

  3. So how is it that the man who made his fortune scamming Medicare (a fund made possible by democratic socialists) gets to claim the moral high ground at the Florida state line? I don’t remember his disdain when actual Nazis made an appearance at Disney World.

     

    1. Does Florida have private firefighting companies that charge per incident like proper capitalist organizations or are they funded by communities like socialist organizations that the rest of the country enjoys?

    1. It's a serious First Amendment issue, Washoping, and the case is being sent back to the Colorado Court of Appeals for further proceedings.   It might have to be remanded for a new trial, applying the new standard adopted by SCOTUS.  But the case isn't over, nor is Mr. Counterman out of the woods yet.  

      1. The ALCU post about this is a good read (https://www.aclu.org/cases/counterman-v-colorado#summary).

        When reading about Supreme Court rulings, I find it important to consider other contexts about the issue instead of just the case that caused the issue to be brought to the court.

        It would be really nice if people just said what they meant without the hyperbole. Then we could consider vague threats to be "true threats", but until then it makes sense to reverse this ruling.

        I feel certain that Counterman was charged with other things (harassment, restraining order violations, etc.) so I don't think this ruling says that Counterman did nothing wrong. It just says that a stricter test of "true threats" needs to be used.

    2. But SCOTUS also refused the take the Ohio State University case where the victims of Dr. Strauss' sexual assaults in the 1970's may get their day in court. Can't wait for the deposition of Gym Jordan to be taken.

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