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June 26, 2023 08:03 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“First gain the victory and then make the best use of it you can.”

–Horatio Nelson

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  1. The folks trying to put Forward Party on the ballot were at Pridefest yesterday collecting signatures.

    Are these the people trying to entice Joe Marchin into running as their candidate? 

     

    1. I think it was No Labels shooting for Manchin. Forward is Andrew Yang's baby, and though I'm not following closely I'd be surprised if Yang wouldn't be Forward's presidential nominee.

  2. Forward Party has a pinkie swear

    “The Forward Party will not run a presidential candidate in 2024. While that does not preclude the party, its leaders, or our many dedicated volunteers from being involved in that race, our plans as an organization are focused on the longer project of strengthening our democracy through competition. Americans are hungry for more and better choices in all of their elections, from town halls to the US Capitol. There are more than 500,000 elected offices across America, and the majority are uncontested. Our mission is to bring more choices, voices, and competition to those elections."

     

      1. I'm not opposed to what No Labels and Forward want to achieve but it is simply unworkable under our system for electing a president (EV's and winner-take-all in most states).

        You may recall that I have complained from time to time about the impact which left-wing spoilers have had on our country, and indeed, on the rest of the world.

        Ralph Nader gave us the Iraq War, "You're doing a heck of a job there, Brownie," and the economic mess that Obama inherited.

        Jill Stein gave us the Dobbs decision, the spectacle of a US president performing anilingus on Vladimir Putin, children in cages, 1/6, military secrets kept in the bathroom at Mar-A-Lago, etc, etc.

        Now, I don't have a problem with right-wing spoilers doing their thing. I thank Ross Perot for giving us President Clinton.

        The folks pushing ranked choice voting were also at Pridefest this weekend soliciting support. That's probably the best thing we can hope to achieve in the short run because it can be done at the state level and can be introduced through ballot initiative. But at least it allows for candidates who are not beholden to the hard right or the hard left.

        1. Jill Stein enlisted to help build Cornel West’s third-party presidential campaign

          Two-time Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein has taken an interim role assisting Cornel West, the former Harvard professor and longtime progressive activist, as he builds up his recently announced campaign for the White House, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

          “She is helping him transition to the Green Party as he is building his team,” a source close to both West and Stein said Thursday. On Wednesday night, Stein described herself as the nascent campaign’s “interim coordinator” in an interview with Bloomberg News.

          Stein and aides did not immediately respond to CNN’s requests for comment.

          1. Cornel West is an impressive dude who can open people's minds to new possibilities.  The Democracy Now! interview showcases this.

            Should West run for president? Probably not. There's too much at stake for a "statement" vote.

            But perhaps West can push the envelope or Overton window or whatever to allow more consideration of those "extreme left" positions such as universal health care, as Sanders did to  Democratic policies in 2016.

        2. I agree on the presidential level. As long as have that abomination called the Electoral College, we are stuck with D vs. R. If we can ever shed ourselves of that monstrosity, then I'm of the opinion, the more the merrier.

          But for Congressional races on down that actually ARE decided by the voting public, I am very much in favor of multiple parties getting into office and having to force legislative bodies into a more "we have to work together" atmosphere by forming coalition governments.

          The current system of "you're either with us or against us" is not tenable over the long haul.

          1. Read up on your history … there HAVE been minor party candidates elected to Congress. 

            Given current and foreseeable levels of partisanship, it would take a significant block of like-minded members winning and organizing themselves as a block to make an impact. 

             * In the House, they would need to be enough to deny either Republicans or Democrats the Speaker's chair and insure an agreement on subsequent committee appointments.to balance the major parties and have controlling votes on every committee.  This session, it would take at least 7 (and more likely 10 or 12) just for action on the floor, and something like 15 to insure a difference making impact on each major committee.

             * In the Senate, such a block would need to be sufficient to have a similar impact on forming a majority (in order to get committee seats).  And in all likelihood, would also require enough to stop procedural votes and legislation requiring a simple majority, and probably enough to join with either party to get to the 60 vote level to invoke cloture and move forward to a vote.  this session, with the narrow majority, it would STILL take 9 replacements of Republicans to allow such a 3rd party impact.  [and I just don't see that happening in one or two election cycles].

    1. SCOTUS also used their shadow docket to make decisions favoring Trump (and future grifters able to be elected as *resident).

      The Supreme Court vacated the lower courts’ decisions in a pair of cases involving allegations that, as president, Trump received benefits from the hotels and restaurants that he owns, in violation of two anti-corruption provisions of the Constitution known as the emoluments clauses….

      Represented by the Department of Justice, Trump filed a petition for review in September [of 2020], asking the justices to hear oral argument and weigh in on whether the lawsuit could go forward. But by late December, when the petition was first distributed for the justices’ conference in early January [2021], Trump had less than a month remaining in his term as president. In his reply brief, then-Acting Solicitor General Jeffrey Wall argued that the justices should wait to act on Trump’s petition until after the inauguration and then vacate the 2nd Circuit’s ruling with instructions to dismiss the case as moot so that it would not serve as precedent for future cases….

      Wall made a similar argument in Trump v. District of Columbia, in which the District and Maryland also alleged violations of the emoluments clauses.

      Trump was allowed to take money and those objecting were delayed until the cases were declared moot. Another case where justice delayed is REALLY justice denied — or, more accurately, JUSTICES DELAYED and justice denied.

       

  4. Oh, boy. White Republican MAGA Cheezuz to the rescue. What could possibly go wrong????

    1. God has spoken to FDFQ and told him that he is the Chosen One to replace Pat Robertson as the Almighty's emissary on earth.

       

    1. Holy jumping Democrats, Michael.

      To repurpose a joke I heard here earlier…

      It's like someone said to the GQP, "How fucking crazy can you get?"

      And they took it as a challenge.

    2. Loony doesn't want to see: The rainbow pride flag. The other one? Mexican flag? I don't know.

      I'm sure she likes the Gadsden "Don't Tread on Me" and the Trump flags.  Probably also the "Thin Blue Line" American flag, but not the original Stars n Stripes.

  7. File this under, “At least Thank God(ess) he’s not your Governor”?

    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott Busted After Falling For Totally Bogus Garth Brooks Story

    Abbott linked to a story about Brooks from a satire website called The Dunning-Kruger Times. If the name alone isn’t enough of a giveaway, the site states outright that it’s part of “a network of parody, satire, and tomfoolery,” and adds: “If you believe that it is real, you should have your head examined.”

    It reminds me of the Obama days when a relative of mine would continually post all sorts of crazy s#it. When I’d refute the post they’d say, “Well, maybe it isn’t true but wouldn’t it be something if it WAS”?!?!?

    1. Texas and Florida are the two biggest, brightest red stars in the GOP constellation.

      But have you noticed how the governor of one of these states is in the Miss Congeniality position trailing Trump by only 25 or 30% while the other gov cannot even get into the race?

      You have to be a special kind of stupid to lose out to Ron DeSantis for second place in the hearts and minds of the Magadonians.

      1. (Except Abbott didn’t carry any of the four cities)

        Oh, and this : 

        Yes, Texans actually pay more in taxes than Californians do

        However, recently resurfaced data shows that may only apply if you're a wealthy resident here. A popular post recently shared on Reddit's main economic forum displayed a graphic that explained how Texans actually pay more in taxes than Californians do, unless those Texans are in the top one percent of all earners (my emphasis).

         

        1. They can still convince much of the middle class to support tax cuts which benefit the rich.

          I have to paraphrase President Josiah Barlett when asked why middle and lower-middle class people oppose the federal estate tax.

          It's because they all live with the fantasy that one day their lottery ticket is going to have the winning number on it and the estate tax will become their problem.

          Of course, they are more like to be stricken by lightning but that doesn't factor into the equation.

    2. God(ess) planted Greg Abbott in Texas to make Shrub Bush seem to apear slightly smarter, Rafael Cruz seem to appear slightly less oily and craven, and Ken Paxton seem to appear slightly less corrupt.

    1. Doesn't matter, Michael. The surge of immigrants may not have actually materialized but the morons at Fox keep beating the "Crisis at the Border" story and Pavlov's dogs keep salivating. 

      1. I may have already mentioned this but I was in Austin recently and had occasion to take a call from a family member while I was there (an eastern plains resident). The FIRST question: “is Austin being overrun by illegals since the border is open now”?!? (this one has eschewed Fox and is now a NewsMaxonian). 

  10. So says the divorced, family values, 37 yr. old Meemaw (who thought she broke a huge D.C public urination conspiracy only to learn she was reading the wrong materials).  Besides, I thought *Hollywood* was leading the country? 

    Why don’t we begin with a side-by-side comparison.  Shall we start with “dueling high school diplomas”? 

     

     

  11. The Republican Party corrupted the Supreme Court – ALL Republicans, not just MAGA Republicans. Ian Milhiser at Twitter.

    One thing that I dislike about the Republican Party is that they place judges on the Supreme Court who believe that it is acceptable to take lavish gifts from billionaires whose business interests will necessarily be affected by the Court’s decisions.

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