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June 22, 2023 01:13 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“It isn’t that they can’t see the solution. It is that they can’t see the problem.”

–Gilbert K. Chesterton

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  1. John Durham said exactly what Trumpworld didn't want to hear

    But that’s not to say that Durham's name won’t be thrown around over the coming months and years anyway. He surely will remain a touchstone for those who never read a word he wrote but are sure that he fully vindicated Trump in the process. For the MAGA movement, John Durham was always more useful as a vessel for whatever conspiracy needed a kernel of truth than as an actual investigator.

  2. It’s a “Make America Florida” dogpile. The largest defrauder of Medicare in US history weighs his options. 

    Senator Rick Scott Has Been Weighing a Presidential Run

    Should he enter the race, Mr. Scott, Florida’s former governor, would be challenging both the front-runner, Mr. Trump, as well as the distant-second rival, Ron DeSantis, the state’s current governor. Mr. Scott would also join Mr. Trump, Mr. DeSantis and Mayor Francis X. Suarez of Miami as the fourth Republican presidential candidate from Florida. Mr. DeSantis in particular could see his support erode further if Mr. Scott adds to an already crowded field of Trump alternatives.

     

     

    2. Good, Rick Scott should run! And so should Jeb Bush. And Matt Gaetz. And Marco Rubio. And basically every other registered Republican who calls Florida his/her/their home.

  4. ”til death (of our democracy) do we part…”

     

    Ginni and Clarence: A Love Story

     In the cramped corridors of a roving RV, they summer together. They take, together, lavish trips funded by an activist billionaire and fail, together, to report the gift. Bonnie and Clyde were performing intimacy; every line crossed was its own profession of love. Refusing to recuse oneself and then objecting, alone among nine justices, to the revelation of potentially incriminating documents regarding a coup in which a spouse is implicated is many things, and one of those things is romantic.

      1. Add Alaskan fisherman and Rich Guys jet jumpseater Avvocato "Quido" Alito  to that list after making every childbearing capable woman in the USA a handmaid. 

  5. Republican Budget proposes cuts Socialist Security and Medicare.

    Our Colo-pols resident Republicans can rejoice! Republicans continue to wage war on the Democratic Party's far left socialist programs, namely Social Security and Medicare.

    1. Good.

      They really need to reign in spending on some of these entitlements. When the retirement age was set at 65, most people died before they reached that age. The current retirement age should be at least 72.

      Too many people are sitting inside the wagon with too few people outside pushing the wagon.

      Here is a thought:  Take the best of the GOP plan (raise the retirement age) and combine it with the best of the Socialist plan (lift the cap on earnings subject to FICA taxes) and have adequate money to provide comfortable living for those 70 years of age.

      But that would require compromise which is a four-letter word for hard right and the hard left. Neither the Free Dumb Caucus nor the Free Stuff Caucus is interested in solving problem – just fundraising and getting appearances on Sean Hannity or Joy Reid.

      Let’s just continue on with both sides screaming at each other until the money runs out.

      1. I am not a Republican, so I have a better idea:

        Let's increase Social Security income, and expand Medicare to all ages.

        Medicare would pay for itself, if for no other reason than it removes the 20% private insurance profit margin. Instead of paying private insurance, you pay into Medicare.

        Social Security payments could be increased if we raised the income brackets for collecting Social Security, and applied social security to the income streams of the wealthy, including capital gains, and inheritance. Not to mention, removing the Republican tax cuts under trump, and increased taxes on billionaires

        In any case, the facts don't support your case. Life expectancy in the US has been declining, which by your logic means that the age to reach eligibility for Social Security insurance should be lowered. (Fun fact: In Poland, COVID killed so many elderly people that recent retirees got a big raise on their retirement incomes.)

        As was pointed out the other day… child mortality figures into the life expectancy average, and that was much higher when Social Security was first set up. You need to look at the actuarial tables for "life expectancy at different ages".

         

        1. “Let’s increase Social Security income, and expand Medicare to all ages.”

          Well, I’m not a Republican or a Democrat. I’m a pragmatic realist.

          Why don’t you have one of your Mod Squad members introduce a bill to do just that?

           

          1. Great idea. It would build the brand and boost the popularity of the Democratic Party

            Although we first start by taxing billionaires and removing the Republican tax cuts during Trump's first regime.

            1. If it's such a great idea, why haven't any of those blowhards introduced such legislation?  The idea should sell itself.

      2. I have a little bit of a problem with the term "entitlement" being applied to any scheme where most folks are expected not only to pay in, but also to pass away without ever collecting anything back.

        Let's call that what it is, a fucking fraud.  And, now even better, let's also fix that fucking fraud so that it does perform as advertised?

        1. I hate that word too. I have paid into this system since I was 14 years old, and I expect something back. How about what is rightfully fucking mine!!

              1. It does, but the word still has some sort of handout connotation to it. Wish they would use another one.

                “Payout” or “payback” would be better IMHO.

          2. I explained this the last time we had this conversation. Social Security was transformed into an entitlement when JFK emptied the trust fund to build NASA, so they could beat the Soviets to the moon. They re-engineered the whole program so that current workers supported retirees. It worked until the Boomers (who started breeding later and only had half as many children),began retiring. The solution is to raise the income cap. Why ought the ultra-wealthy pay less than those who live on their wages? 

            2. I missed that explanation.  Can you provide a link back to it? Or a published source that suggests there was a JFK shift?

               

              The Kennedy Administration action on Social Security is explained at  https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/legislative-summary/social-security 

              I don't see anything about "emptying the Trust Fund" for NASA.  Seems to me that might have been mentioned in budget debates or in authorization legislation ….

              The official history of Social Security:  https://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistory3.a

              Social Security Trust Fund end of year balances:  https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4a3.html

              Trust Fund Operations explained:  https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v24n5/v24n5p20.pdf

               

               

        2. Well, Insurance Policies are something you pay into, and benefit from if you are lucky, or I guess, unlucky. I wouldn't call that a fraud, I'd call it insurance.

          1. Yes, and so are prearranged funeral services. However, I don’t recall ever yet hearing anyone stretching an explanation for Social Security as being set up as a benefit for its contributors post decease?

            But, now the conversation has veered, and the analogy sufficiently tortured away from Social Security, so that it’s turning into a discussion of apples and oranges corpses . . .

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