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November 07, 2022 07:10 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

Almost there, folks.

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64 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. Odd political thought: Could it be that Republicans are so upset about Mexican and Latin American immigrants desperately leaving Mexico because Mexico is Republican utopia? There's a weak federal government, heavy Christian influence and a necessity for semi-automatic guns for personal protection. What more could an American conservative want?

    (Spoiler: The biggest reason Republicans are upset about Mexican and Latin American immigrants desperately leaving Mexico is actually racism).

      1. Yep. Surprisingly enough, that Randian nonsense about how the mighty Galtian ubermenchen can do it all themselves without the aid of proles turns out to be utter bullshit yet again.

      2. "Elon Musk bought Twitter and Twitter makes people dislike Elon Musk. For once, the story of the stupidity of rich people – and how they got rich – is making sense for the masses.  It just had to be written by the overlords themselves in 280 characters of less."

        ~Ali Breland, Mother Jones reporter

          1. McConnell is also not categorically opposed to raising the debt ceiling. He is just going to demand much in return for his votes.

  2. From that right-wing news outlet, CNN:

    "Hilary Rosen, a longtime Democratic consultant, said on the same show that her party had misjudged the mood of the electorate.

    "'I’m a loyal Democrat, but I am not happy. I just think that we are – we did not listen to voters in this election. And I think we’re going to have a bad night,' Rosen told CNN’s Dana Bash."

    Or as James "Gollum" Carville once famously said, "It's the economy, stupid!"

    1. What are you even talking about?

      The Economy is doing spectacularly well – 3.5% unemployment, jobs/job-openings everywhere. $1,400 checks to pull us over the Covid hump, Obamacare prices lowered and benefits up.

      Are the "people" screaming for Social Security benefits to be decreased, Obamacare to be eliminated, Prescription drugs prices to be jacked up?

      You better explain how the "economy" is so hot that the Federal Reserve is trying to cool it down.

      1. What he’s talking about is that the Dem campaign teams have done a piss-poor job of selling just how good the Biden economy is, despite inflation. 

        There seem to be too many holdovers in the DSCC and House campaign committees from the idiots who ran the re-election campaign for “Senator Uterus” in Colorado back in 2014.

        There is also the far left “wokists” who Carville said a few years ago have been costing votes for the Dems.

          1. Are Republicans doing better or worse than the Democrats when it comes to alienating swing voters?

            Who are swing voters anyway? Most Unaffs are not truly unaffiliated; maybe 10%, and those people who truly don't have a side, are the LEAST likely to vote, anyway.

            With a heavily partisan electorate, persuasion is far weaker than turnout. That is why Republicans work to decrease voting, and hype up the fear factor… they know in a smaller electorate, their turnout machine can succeed better.

            1. I'm of the mind that a big part of the pessimism and a big part of Biden's low approval numbers are pessimism and Biden's low approval numbers.

              From the right, we get: EVERYTHING'S FUCKING HORRIBLE!

              From the progressive left we get: EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE BETTER NOW!

              Countering those statements with "EVERYTHING IS GENERALLY OK" doesn't quite have a rallying cry behind it.

        1. Yep, there's a lot of truth to that, sad to say. Did some final-weekend door-to-door on Saturday and Sunday, and heard more than once that if the word "abortion" ever appears in another teevee ad, it'll be way too soon.

          1. Tell that to women in states where it's been virtually outlawed. Colorado's termination rate has skyrocketed since Dobbs, but Colorado residents aren't causing the increase. People from all over the Rocky Mountain region are flocking here, making it difficult for residents to even schedule a timely appointment. Plenty of people griped about Mark Udall, but he was just ahead of his time.

          2. I remain of the opinion that the Dems played the abortion card all wrong. If I had been structuring their message, the word "abortion" would never have been used. The tactic they should have followed is "government has NO place between a doctor and their patient".

        2. Ah. I agree that the Democrats are doing a poor job of branding. Well, also that the Republicans have a well-oiled snuff-marketing machine. I'm getting vile, Stephen Miller racist flyers in my mostly white town.

          But I disagree that Democrats should try to split off the "woke" voters and not market to their values. How many elections would the Democrats lose if they didn't have wokists turning out for them?

          In any case, I doubt that far left "wokists" are causing any problems for Democrats. (Actually, "woke" means "treating people with kindness and courtesy", right? viz. Don't call black people the N word; don't call women the C word. Simple definition.) 

          The Democratic Party has many different demographics and interests. Marketing and turnout campaigns need to serve many different interests. You need to market to women worried about abortion rights, you need to market to environmentalist worried about climate change, you need to market to black urbanists worried about getting arrested for jaywalking. 

          Marketing to the base. Hmm, that's what the Republicans do, right?

          You don't see them running away from their base. No, they use furries, and guns and racism as tools for turnout.

          1. The Iron Lady forecast our climate woes 23 years ago before the UN General Assembly. Regardless of what you think of her overall she had the cojones then to unabashedly speak truth. Where is our present-day Teddy Roosevelt on the conservative side?  CHB, I know there are several good folks on the Green Republican side (I’m a big fan of Rob Sisson)…but we need someone from the conservative side with this kind of stage presence to unite the movement. 

            #COP27

              1. How far they've fallen (thanks Putie and Cambridge Analytica) two decades hence a freshly-minted Prime Minister is whisked out of a forestry partnership meeting (most believe this 'emergency' was a set up to get him out of the meeting).  Remember way back when?  About a month or so, to the previous PM who instructed King Charles not to attend?

            1. Rob Sisson is good. But he's been somewhat "out of play" since he was appointed several years ago to the International Joint Commission.

              I hadn't heard of the IJC before. It's a joint US and Canadian commission that deals with cross border water issues.

          2. It’s fine to defend abortion, but an estimated 60 percent of ads in the cd8 race were on that subject.

            Somehow, if I’m an 80 year old woman trying to stretch my Social Security check to cover a swollen grocery bill, abortion isn’t my first concern.

            1. If you saw so many ads on abortion issue, their micro-targeting was not as efficient as it could be.

              This district consists of a lot of N. Denver Suburbs. both older ones, and others that have grown tremendously in the past 10 or 20 years.

              How would you target the voters in this district?

               

              1. "how do you target the voters in this district?"

                Some things…… I never saw any counter ads from Caraveo to the oil workers saying they were losing their jobs thanks to Caraveo's votes at the Legislature. Never saw anything about the Caraveo "votes" to raise taxes and cut back Tabor.

            2. I did some canvassing in CD8 the last 2 weekends, and the majority of the literature given out was on the Democratic slates – local and state.  Every door we knocked got at least one of those doorhangers.

              There was literature for Caraveo which mentioned abortion and reproductive rights, but it's one of several issues – health care ( duh, she's a doctor), and the 3 Es – Economy, Environment, Education – being the others.

              The Spanish literature was the same. I don't think abortion was over-emphasized in the on-the-ground operation.

      2. “What are you even talking about?

        The Economy is doing spectacularly well – 3.5% unemployment, jobs/job-openings everywhere. $1,400 checks to pull us over the Covid hump”

        Put down your crack pipe, Park Hill.

        Unemployment only affects a small percentage of the voters, inflation hits everyone.

        BTW, one of the VERY few good things that the GOP House majority will do is shut down that COVID gravy train of money.

        It’s over. Get a life. And a job.

        1. Definitions, not an opinions.

           – A booming economy has growing GDP, low unemployment and some inflation.
          – A recession has declining GDP, high unemployment and low inflation.

          Strong GDP growth, 3.5% unemployment and some inflation is good for workers and mortgage holders; bad for bond holders and banks with lots of debtors. Well, the banks know how to make money coming and going, so I’m not really worried there.

    1. lol

      Ol’ Chris went on Maher’s show not long ago and stopped just short of saying that he’s for sure running for the GOP POTUS nomination in 2024. The delusion is strong with that sad sack of shit.

  3. TFG is more deranged than usual. He emailed me as "William" this morning:

    William,

    This is URGENT.

    Hunter Biden, whose crimes are MANY, DEEP, fully documented on his Laptop from Hell (and elsewhere!), and oftentimes directly involve his father, Joe, "the Big Guy," sits back and doesn't have a care in the world.

    The U.S. Attorney in Delaware has been told to do NOTHING…There are two seats of "Justice" in the now Communist USA. Our Country is going to HELL.

    The Witch Hunt continues, and after 6 years and millions of pages of documents, they've got nothing. If I had what Hunter and Joe had, it would be the Electric Chair.

    William, America must be DEFENDED from the radical Left's LIES AND DESTRUCTION, especially with the Midterm Elections quickly approaching.

    I need a brave America First Patriot like YOU to step up and help me DEFEND America at this critical time.

    Please contribute ANY AMOUNT by 11:59 PM TONIGHT to help me DEFEND AMERICA from the radical Left. >>

  4. Speaking of offending swing voters. Here's Nikki Haley, daughter of immigrants wishing to deport Raphael Warnock whose family has been here for centuries:

    Why no backlash for GOP Nikki Haley's racist remark at campaign stop that Sen Raphael Warnock should be deported?! Haley is in essence saying send a Black man back to Africa and the crowd cheers. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3722641-nikki-haley-says-warnock-should-be-deported-at-walker-rally/

    1. “Raphael Warnock whose family has been here for centuries”

      And I’m guessing that Warnock’s family did not come over of their own volition.

      Has anyone checked on the legitimacy of Nicki Haley’s parents’ immigration papers. Perhaps they are like Obama’s birth certificate? You know …. subject to debate.

  5. Hopeful, or at least not so hopeless analysis from Rachel Biticofer.

    Comparing 2022 to 2010 where the Democrats lost big. She credits the reversal of Roe for stimulating a huge Democratic turnout. Well, a lot huger than it would have been without the fear of losing Abortion rights.

    I’m starting out this post by showing folks what the polling data environment looked like over the course of the 2010 midterm cycle, where Republicans ended up netting 63 House seats. Compared to the data from 2022, you can see significant environmental differences between 2010 and this cycle. 

    I talk a lot about how the Roe reversal effect helped changed the dynamics of the 2022 midterm, changing its narrative away from a pure referendum on Democrats, to one focused heavily on the opposition party. This, combined with the substantial, but by no means sufficient, messaging and strategy reforms being implemented within the Democratic Party’s electioneering system have put Democrats on nearly equal footing on one of the most important metrics predicting a party’s midterm performance: the enthusiasm gap. Again, the enthusiasm gap refers to Republican voters’ level of enthusiasm to vote relative to Democrats ‘ level of etnhusisiam.

    Check out the really interesting graphic on the VA governors race showing that McAuliffe lost because the heavily Democratic voters who supported Biden failed to show up to vote, while Youngkin succeeded in getting near Trumpian turnout in Republican districts.

    1. There’s an interesting perspective on polling in the November 5-12, 2022 issue of The Economist that arrived today. Basically, their “poll-of-polls” is dealing with a bias in recent weeks of polls tilting Republican. It’s already established elsewhere that Trafalgar, Rasmussen, and The Hill website lean R by several points. They’ve added the Emerson College polls to that group. 

      The Economist uses the NH senate race as an example. The D margin now is 3.1 points if there is no allowance for a firm’s “house effect (towards Rs)” or if a poll is explicitly partisan. Adding in the effect makes the D margin at 4.3 points. Overall, an interesting way to review, coming from a respected publication that also does polling.

       

      1. Hopefully.

        I think that polling this cycle is having a hard time measuring enthusiasm, turnout and likely voter. Results will depend to a great degree on those things.

  6. This Election Could Be Just as Long and Ugly as 2020

    Republicans who are pushing misinformation about the election are running for state office across the country. And they’ve had two years to prepare to sow chaos this week.

    Former President Donald Trump, his election-denying candidates, GOP operatives, and an army of conspiracy theory-believing activists are lobbing bad-faith lawsuits, attempting voter intimidation, and gearing up for disruptive protests to take advantage of slow ballot counts in this week’s midterm elections. And the closer the election results are, the longer it will take to determine a winner in key contests. Things could get very messy. 

    But that won’t stop bad-faith candidates—especially those who are losing—from using it to claim it’s being rigged against them, demand that officials stop counting ballots in places where mail ballots are counted late, and push their supporters to protest. Multiple Trump-aligned candidates have already strongly signaled they won’t concede, no matter the outcome. 

  7. I never looked at twitter much until we got the Elon Musk shitshow. One set of threads I find hilarious is Kyle Clark’s replies to people saying mean things about him.

    He’s hi;serious. He’s a damn good reporter but if that ever falls through, he’s great as a comedian too.

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