Wednesday Open Thread

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it without a sense of ironic futility.”

–Errol Morris

38 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. Voyageur says:

    Putin succubus wins in Wyoming, Alaska voters poop on Trump.  Onward!

    • Lauren Boebert is a Worthless POS says:

      I don’t know if I would call Hageman as much a succubus of Putin as she is a succubus of the fossil fuel industries as well as a sycophant of the orange-haired man with small hands living in West Palm Beach.

    • MichaelBowman says:

       Cheney to launch anti-Trump organization after primary defeat

      “In coming weeks, Liz will be launching an organization to educate the American people about the ongoing threat to our Republic, and to mobilize a unified effort to oppose any Donald Trump campaign for president,” Cheney spokesperson Jeremy Adler told Playbook exclusively.

      • ParkHill says:

        And run for President?

        Hmmm, is Cheney a “forward” sort of politician, or a “divisive” one? Hopefully, she would divide the Republican Party.

        • Lauren Boebert is a Worthless POS says:

          She will not run as an independent because that would just split the anti-Trump vote like Jill Stein did in 2016. 

          If she runs in the Republican primaries, she will split the 25% to 30% of the party that is anti-Trump with Mike Pence and any other anti-Trump candidate running.

          It will be like 2016 in that the anti-Trump vote will be split, but unlike 2016, the anti-Trump vote is a lot smaller than it was in 2016.

          Trump will be the nominee again.


          • MichaelBowman says:

            It’s weird watching the GQP turn on Liz while they fellate a man who was a registered Democrat most of his life and had the Clintons at his third baby mama wedding. 

            • Conserv. Head Banger says:

              Not so weird, Michael, when one realizes the the grifter has got to grift, the con man has to con, and the marks & sheep are ever ready to be fleeced out of their hard earned dollars.

      • JohnInDenver says:

        Just what we need … another organization, sponsored by a Republican, to educate the American people about the ongoing threat.

        If it looks, sounds, and acts like a campaign organization, why not just announce it is a campaign organization?   Or, why can't she just go join one of the many other organizations opposing Trump?

  2. 2Jung2Die says:

    I'm a troglodyte dinosaur, but not sure I like Alaska's primary system. However, it looks to my aging eyes like it could split Republican votes in the US House general election and possibly really help the Democrat. With about 80% in for the primary:

    Mary S. Peltola, D, 53,342, 35.05%

    Sarah (the OB, Original Boebert) Palin, R, 47,783 31.40%

    Nick Begich, R, 40,972 26.92%

    • Lauren Boebert is a Worthless POS says:

      It will depend upon what the Palin and Begich voters do for their second choices. The NY Times mentioned that Palin reportedly struck up a friendship with Peltola during the campaign and allegedly said that she was going to vote for Peltola as her second choice. Don't know how many, if any, of her supporters will follow her. 

      Lisa Murkowski and Sarah Palin Survive Primary Battles, but a Democrat Breaks Through – The New York Times (

      Begich is an interesting character. His grandfather was the Dem US Rep who died in plane crash in 1972 and his uncle was the Democratic former Anchorage mayor who edged out Ted Stevens for the senate seat in 2008. Don't know how many, if any, of his 40,000 votes were voting for the family name and not the "R" after it.

      • Dano says:

        Actually it won't matter what Palin's voters' 2nd choices are if the ranking in Nov is the same as now. They will only count the 2nd place votes of the 4th place person, and then the 3rd place person if no one is yet to the 50% mark.

    • 2Jung2Die says:

      My bad, I didn't realize the AK primary and general election systems were different.

      • Dano says:

        The part that throws me off is they don 't count all the ballots on election night. Early and mail ballots are not counted until 7 days after the election (I have no clue what the reasoning for that is). In general elections the ranked choice redistribution does not happen until 15 days after the election.

        Also yesterday, there were two votes for the at-large Congress seat. One was a primary for the term starting in Jan. and the other was the general election to fill the vacancy left by Don Young's death which will serve until Jan. The latter will be our chance to watch the ranked choice in action though it won't happen until Aug 31st.

        • 2Jung2Die says:

          Question Dano, in your 1st two sentences are you talking about the primary?

          • Dano says:

            The 7 day delay for counting early/mail ballots is Alaska's default for all elections. Again, don't know why, but according to their state Elections site, it is their standard procedure.

            • JohnInDenver says:

              The delay insures ALL ballots sent by election day are equally counted. 

              I get the reasoning — it may take awhile for remote locations to get mail processed and delivered to the counting locations.  What I don't get (in Alaska AND other places) is why none of the ballots can be processed and counted until ALL of them are in.

              • kwtree says:

                In PA, if you remember 2020, they had a similar rule. The purpose was to make it seem as though early and absentee voting are difficult and dubious, feeding the Big Lie narrative.

                It was a GOP rule for GOP purposes.

        • kwtree says:

          …mail ballots are not counted until 7 days after the election

          The reason for that is that Alaska’s mail delivery system is slow and spotty, due to the remoteness of many villages and towns. Still, 48% of Alaskans vote by mail, despite the voter suppression efforts of some MAGA types.

          I dont know why they wouldn’t count early votes, though.

  3. ParkHill says:

    Good News in Swing States:

    Since Roe was overturned, new women voters outnumber men in:
    PA by 17%  
    WI by 15.6%  
    OH by 11%  
    MI by 8.1%

    "You can't push on a string, but you can pull on a rope".

  4. Duke Cox says:

    What the actual fuck?

    I just watched a local TV news story about how local businesses are going to benefit from the new federal subsidies for installing electric appliances instead of natural gas…

    …followed immediately by a story about how new federal money for local governments will be used by Mesa County to buy busses…powered by natural gas.


    • kwtree says:

      Well, it’s cleaner than diesel for buses. I fon’t know if they have hybrid or electric buses available to cities and school districts. Light rail like we have in Denver metro area, is supposedly cleaner, too.

      But if you’ve ever had to collect students from buses on a winter morning when 5 or 6 of them are belching out diesel fumes, you know CNG fuel is a step in the right direction.

      • MichaelBowman says:

        There is a lot of nuance to these plans. A few years back we proposed a biodiesel plant on the Front Range and to start with the DPS buses. At the time the Director of Transportation for DPS was a really progressive woman with a sincere interest (she’s since retired) we wouldn’t have had to entirely replace the fleet and those saved dollars could have been deployed more charging stations, etc.  

        There is more than enough waste grease – trap grease – animal fat in the region for a plant.  I’m all in on this clean transition, but the loud roar from the environmental community pushing almost nothing but electric has wholly-dismissed the many other options we have that solve environmental problems and create jobs. Today’s biodiesel technology can turn these waste resources into military-grade biodiesel.  Sadly we missed a chance in Colorado to showcase the technology. 

      • Duke Cox says:

        Actually, electric busses are quite available, kdub.

        Likely an explanation here is the existing LNG refueling facility (owned by city/ county, I believe)… and perhaps the lapdog-like habits of the Mesa BOCC may have figured in.

    • JohnInDenver says:

      My guess — different pots of money. Mesa is using existing money appropriated in 2020 or 2021 to buy equipment that is available NOW. 

      IRA money will be available from the 2022 budget reconciliation, but rules and distribution are by no means set, and probably won't be for at least 90 days.  Once distributed, THEN agencies can begin contracting and actually spending it.

  5. ParkHill says:

    BFD Climate Bill – Lesser Known Benefits, from

    One surprising policy to help with this transition made it into the final bill, even though it needed Sen. Joe Manchin’s (D-WV) sign-off: $10 billion in direct payments to rural electric co-ops that pay for the cost of a clean energy transition. The USDA will administer direct payments for these co-ops to retire coal-fired power plants.

    Many of the last coal plants standing are serving rural communities. E&E News noted that “about 32 percent of the power that supplies co-ops nationwide came from coal in 2019.” Investor-owned utilities, by contrast, generated 19 percent of their electricity from coal in 2020.

    These rural co-ops, which are collectively owned and governed by the communities they serve, have moved away from coal slowly more for economic reasons than political ones. These coal plants tend to be newer, and the communities they serve may be more risk-averse to transitioning to renewables because they have to pay directly for the cost of the transition.

    But before rural communities can even think about transitioning to solar and wind, first they have to shut down the coal plants. And that can be expensive because it includes paying off any debts. (A separate $5 billion Department of Energy program in the bill offers loans that lower debts and costs for privately owned utilities to transition to renewables.)

    • MichaelBowman says:

      You can count on (almost) all of them to do the right thing under one of two circumstances: 1) a mandate, or, 2) when someone else is paying the bill. They are truly one of the greatest socialist organizations to come out of FDR’s New Deal (and I say that as someone who supports the existence of such orgs that built rural America 🇺🇸)

      There are some shiny stars nationally, the brightest being the Delta-Montrose REA.

  6. ParkHill says:

    “The Republican Party is basically a domestic terror cell operating in America”.

    Liz Cheney gave her concession speech under armed guard.

  7. MichaelBowman says:

    Kemp’s about to *uck around  and find out:

    Fulton County DA Fani Willis isn’t messing around. Her letter to Kemp’s lawyer, embedded in the today’s court filing over a pending subpoena of the governor:


    “The email you have sent is offensive and beneath an officer of the court. You are both wrong and confused.”

  8. DavidThi808 says:

    How on earth are farmers still supporting the Climate Change denying Republicans? They’re losing everything.

  9. MichaelBowman says:

    Trump has lost Alex Jones. He announces today he is off the Trump train (he won’t be the last)

    “I am supporting Desantis .. I can look into his eyes on HD video, and I see the real sincerity.”

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