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April 21, 2012 03:02 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“The only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery.”

–Harold Wilson


51 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

  1. Looks like the potential problems I worried about yesterday didn’t materialize, and smokeout participation was limited to hundreds of students who gathered on another field. Campus officials are being a bit cagey about things like how many officers were deployed and how much it cost the school, though.

      1. I suspect you’re joking.

        We all know that CU is critical to the sustainability of Boulder as Colorado’s Mecca of elite higher education. Without CU, Colorado would be left with hardly any institutions to draw in national-international students and professors, great research, etc…

        I know I’m proud to tell out of staters that only those Colorado high school graduates that place in the top 10-20% of there class have any real chance of getting accepted at CU.

        With the continued need for more funding at CU and the inability of the state to deliver more funding while maintaining policies of fiscal stability, what are your thoughts on CU going private?

        Privatization would take a committed endowment and focus, but could lead to CU expansion of educational access….a network of micro campuses that increase access to this world class university.


            1. I went to Denver Public Schools in a part of Denver the cops were afraid to patrol and I am not functionally illiterate.

              This one’s on you, ‘Tad, my lad.

              1. “libertad” is a closet whatever he’s railing against.

                David had a point the other day.

                While sometimes his bullshit’s so ridiculous a person feels the need to reply, I’m going to try to use everything he blurts out to motivate me to work hard this season to be in a position to stick every thing he’ll ever say up his ass Tuesday, November 6th, 2012, at about 18 minutes after 8pm, Mountain Standard Time.  

        1. And so only fair to provide an answer. I’d put it in 3 parts.

          First, the educational inflationary rate is unsustainable. The state has the power to bring this under control as it runs most of the colleges in the state. There should be a major focus on that by the Regents and the Legislature.

          Second, part of your final para is spot on – provide access via the net so people can learn from home, from elsewhere in the state, etc. A college degree does not require 4 years at a large campus.

          Third, and the most important part, we have to make a college education available to all residents of the state regardless of their income level. If we privatize our Colleges then we restrict a college degree to the well off. That permanently divides our society in two. And it puts our economy on a path to mediocrity because the biggest limit to high tech businesses in this state is a lack of qualified people to hire.

          Yes C.U. should be restricted to the top 10 – 20% of high school graduates. But every student in that category should be able to easily afford going to C.U.

          1. first college isn’t too expensive – it’s too cheap.  The value of the experience and the degree isn’t a measure of how hard it is it o pay it, it’s how useful and valuable it is to acquire.  We have cut UC funding in so many ways (not football – academics) that we have hurt the institutional ability to recruit and retain faculty.

            As to whom has the power to adjust the cost at CU – it’s you. ANd the rest of te private sector that want free or nearly free well prepared labor.  You want more qualified recruits to hire?  pay more. Endow a chair. Bump the starting pay of UC grads.  Pay off student loans.

            So we take the thing most valued – access to academics – and give it away. And that makes up for the value how?

            And since MIT, Yale, Princeton, and a hundred other schools with flashier rep than UC are already doing this – how does this help UC?  Ohhh- it supposedly helps the student.

            CU should be open enrollment to every CO hs grad and very nearly free.  But it should also have a killer comprehensive exam to move from Y1 to Y2. Killer.  (see  We hugely subsidize the most talented and best prepared. and make sure they work their ass off.

            Everyone else can go somewhere else.

              1. How many non college grads do you hire?

                DO you pay the college grads enough to pay 100% student loan school financing?  No

                You want the state to pick up the tab.  Great.  I’d rather send kids to school somewhere else.

                1. It can’t keep growing like that. Like medical costs nothing can rise it be 100% of GDP. And the limit is actually well short of that as people need shelter, food, etc.

                  As to my company, we do pay people well enough to pay back their loans. But not everyone is going to work at a software company. What happens when someone wants to be a teacher? Or work for a non profit? Or work for a legislator or in the executive branch? Those jobs don’t pay well enough to cover the growing cost of College.

                  1. But so is enrollment.

                    In order to accomodate the size, expenses go up.

                    You want cheap- it exists.

                    You want more affordable – no argument from me, CO should fund P-20, but most especially 13-20.

                    Free freshman year for all HS grads. Cheap for those who can pass the text.  

                    1. It’s per-person. No argument that enrollment up means the total school budget needs to rise. But that should not cause an increase in the per person cost. If anything it should drop it slightly.

                  2. Look. we’re all trying our best to advise promising students away from such a horrible career choice, but sometimes there’s nothing you can do.

                    1. My point was that we should not saddle teachers with a large debt from day 1 of their career. Somehow you read that as an anti-teacher rant.

        2. Only 3% of CU’s funding comes from the state. Part of that is due to their large out of state enrollment. There are also large swaths of services that have “enterprise” status in that they are self-supporting and receive no state funds at all. This isn’t unique to CU, they’re just further along.

  2. Mike’s latest post on Facebook says he’s still job hunting.  Here’s to you Mike – may this be the year your best gig comes knocking at your door.

    PS, I seriously doubt the atrophied brain parts at the DP have any idea what a huge mistake they made letting Mike go.  Just sayin’.

    1. Although I don’t agree with most of his rants, I do respect the fact he’s not some big self centered self promoter.

      Oddly CR England for some whacked out reason has its ad buyers placing pop up ads here on Pols …. been going on for a week.

      Now I don’t think that Mikes interested in being a trucker, but can someone explain to me the strategy behind England’s ads here?

      Maybe there is no strategy and their ad buyer is just pissing away due to poor skills.

    2. Although I don’t agree with most of his rants, I do respect the fact he’s not some big self centered self promoter.

      Oddly CR England for some whacked out reason has its ad buyers placing pop up ads here on Pols …. been going on for a week.

      Now I don’t think that Mikes interested in being a trucker, but can someone explain to me the strategy behind England’s ads here?

      Maybe there is no strategy and their ad buyer is just pissing away due to poor skills.

    3. He’s a wonderful, smart, entertaining writer, always solid on his facts while  offering wit, passion and humor. He’s so much better than, say, the much less entertaining and often fact challenged Harsanyi, who is now in syndication. Littwin would be a great staff and/or syndicated addition to any editorial page anywhere, in print or online. Happy Birthday to him and best of luck.

      On the home front, after a much appreciated break, Mallard Fillmore popped up on the daily editorial page again.

      We get it, Tinsley. Obama and all Dems and everything any of them does, including supporting ideas that were GOP ideas or even legislative proposals 15 minutes ago… bad. Anything bad that happens is always and only their fault. On the other hand, whatever it is… IOIYAR and bad stuff is never your fault. How enlightening and amusing.  

        1. and plan on taking Sunday (and therefore my Sunday 2 comment quota) off I’m going to help you out. It should be iokiyar but you can look it up with the google either way. So look it up. That’s what this fossil does when confronted with strings of texty letters.  

    4. But the money doesn’t exist for this anymore. The Post is in a death spiral and they’ll have to continue laying people off. As this is endemic to the industry, there isn’t someplace else for him to land. The job of paid opinion writer is disappearing.

      In the case of newspapers the destruction of an industry is not only bad for the employees there, but also for society as newspapers have fulfilled a valuable role.  

  3. A, welfare, warfare, surveillance state, topped with prehistoric brick and mortar academia, funded by fiat, is certainly progress.

    Dems and Pubs only pretend to be distinct…

    Have a great weekend!

    1. Now hardly anyone agrees 100% with anyone else and I’m sure I don’t agree with everything said by Albert J. Nock, but the endless and profane rants targeting him every time he posts are a sure sign of his opponents factless weaknesses.

      Here are some thoughts I have in response to Nock’s desire to discuss progress and return the US to a leading international position.

      Like any other commodity, gold will eventually, go down – gravity is a law realized when investors no longer fear returns based on the national currency. Eventually equilibrium will come back to the work economy and commodities, with the exception of food, assuming we can avoid a permentant destruction of our energy sector.

      Currency traders tell me that betting against the dollar never yields good long term gains but rather provides short term trading opportunities. Like Greece our tax schemes are massive and drive irrational behaviors. Unlike Greece we have a well structured tax process that provides a viable local taxation process ….. the people vote on taxes locally, there’s a process everyone follows and it works.

      The US economy is limited by the thinking of the American people and their government. Political parties are now irrelevant, to wit the Obama Super PAC and other leftist liberal non profits that attempt to define the war on women as an issue within the minds of the suburban woman. The Right has its single issue groups too.

      Whats the operational solution? You know the real way to get America back on track after the destruction we’ve created for ourselves by over committing to massive government centric schemes that benefit only certain classes?

      The government must act like any other organization that faces fiscal collapse … Any rational person knows you cant just raise prices to drive revenue … that freinds is not sustainable.

      The government will be forced to sell some of it’s land holdings, eliminate at least 4 trillion of spending over 10 years, not one, and set a tax rate of no less than 18% and no more than 25%, with no loopholes, with personal and business rates linked together.

      A personal-business tax rate of 20% for all Americans with deductions only for mortgage, education and the purchase of government debt in the short term is ratioanl and feasible. Later on the country needs to phase out the mortage, education, medical, and government debt deductions.

      Accomplish all this in one decade and problem solved.

      Yes you liberal lefts are probably screaming that I’ve suggested the US sell it’s land …. unfortunately it’s a reality. Any organization in such fiscal circumstances will be forced to make this choice. What’s the process? I’d suggest the Feds use eBay with all revenues used to pay down the unsustainable national debt.

    2. anarchy -> warlords -> monarchy -> republic -> democracy.

      Yes we face major problems. Yes we will (hopefully) continue to find ways to improve the system. But what we have, imperfections and all, beats the snot out of any previous system.

    1. the coal plants are replaced over time with renewables?  Electric vehicles get a free upgrade.  Fossil-fuel vehicles are the same as they ever were.

      For what it’s worth, our own household electricity is a 70/30 mix of solar and wind.

    1. Yeah Nock whipped out that put-down before anyone even knew him for his true self and yet took such umbrage when some gave it back.  Pretty thin skinned for an one with such a big mouth.

  4. I just loved this article and hopefully you’ll think about taking time to read it. As I said before you guys can continue to grow spending at unsustainable rates …. the bitch for you is that you’ll have to pay for your recklessness by selling federal lands.

    When Obama says he’ll “stabilize” the budget outlook, he really means he’s doing nothing to reverse the trend. The so-called $3 trillion in “additional deficit reduction” isn’t a reduction at all. It’s just a deceitful way of saying that the cumulative deficit over the next 10 years will be $7 trillion instead of $10 trillion in the baseline estimate. In other words, the national debt will increase by $7 trillion.

    Accompanying the written analysis is a chart showing the growth of publicly held federal debt. This is especially harrowing. In 2008, it was 40 percent of GDP. By 2013, after four years of Obama, it will grow to 77 percent of GDP. It hovers at about that level through 2022, then begins to skyrocket, exceeding 200 percent of GDP by 2085. The president’s budget acknowledges that this will “far exceed its previous peak level reached at the end of World War II.” (In fact, it’s about double that.) This is national bankruptcy territory. Think Greece.

    Then there’s this gem: “The policies in the 2013 budget will allow more time to develop long-term policies to address the persistently rising debt.” Translation: “It’s an election year, so we’re not doing a thing about addressing the long-term unsustainable social spending problem because it might make us unpopular with millions of Americans on the receiving end. Instead, we’ll savage Rep. Ryan’s plan, which does offer some serious proposals to reign in runaway spending.”

    This is what Obama calls leadership.

    Read more: Rosen: Obama’s budget game – The Denver Post

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    1. It’s better than the Ryan budget at controlling costs, while actually continuing to perform the functions of government.

      I suggest that if we want to join together to solve the government’s budget issues, we all consider the Congressional Progressive Caucus budget, which is the only budget on the table (if barely allowed to be there) that addresses the problem head-on and rapidly.

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