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May 27, 2022 10:56 PM UTC

Memorial Day Weekend Open Thread

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  1. Hat tip to Heather Cox-Richardson.

    The only thing blocking gun control legislation is the Republican Party.

    A Politico/Morning Consult poll out Wednesday showed “huge support” for gun regulations. It showed that 88% of voters strongly or somewhat support background checks on all gun sales, while only 8% strongly or somewhat oppose such checks. That’s a net approval of +80.

    Preventing gun sales to people who have been reported to police as dangerous by a mental health provider is supported by 84% of voters while only 9% oppose it, a net approval of +75.

    Seventy-seven percent of voters support requiring guns to be stored in a safe storage unit, while only 15% oppose such a requirement, a net approval of +62.

    A national database for gun sales gets 75% approval and 18% disapproval, a net approval rate of +57.

    Banning assault style weapons like the AR-15 has an approval rate of 67% of voters while only 25% disapprove. That’s a net approval of +42.

     

    1. The glare of publicity on Uvalde, TX will continue.  The combination of school children as victims, inept law enforcement response, inaccurate political statements, contradiction of  "we need mental health" and a recent cut in the Texas budget for mental health," the juxtaposition of the shooting and the NRA convention, and a host of other issues MAY trigger higher voter turnout and fewer Republican wins. 

      That seems to have happened in JeffCo after Columbine HS, Arapahoe after Aurora Century 21, and a few other places. 

      I'm not holding my breath.

    1. Said the child as she was falling to the classroom floor from a bullet in the stomach to the deranged 'gun rights' fanatic as he spouted slogans about how guns don't kill people.

      1. Why would Trump need to know how to fuel a car, or the price of gas, when he has lackeys and pool boys to handle all that for him?

  5. One source, a couple days old, but according to it the U.S. average price is below the world average, and more than 100 countries have higher average prices: https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

    As a general rule, richer countries have higher prices while poorer countries and the countries that produce and export oil have significantly lower prices. One notable exception is the U.S. which is an economically advanced country but has low gas prices.

      1. But shows the absolute disconnect between gas prices in a country that is ruled by fossil fuel industry lackeys and the hardships endured by the rest of the world.  "Oh My God.  Biden is absolutely to blame for it costing me an extra dollar a gallon to fill up my ATV so I can sit my fat ass on it and aimlessly drive around destroying vegetation in the forest."

  7. The observed Memorial Day falls on the true Memorial Day, May 30, this year.  It's also my birthday — I'm now 77.

    Best wishes to my many friends on Pols and confusion to all trolls and Trumpers!

  8. What are we celebrating. What has our military done in the world for the last 70 years. We attack other nations to destroy their liberal govts to install right wing dictators. We attack other nations to steal their resources for our oligarchs profit margins. We have killed millions in illegal wars like Iraq, Afghan, Iran, Yemen. We destroyed Central and South America over and over and are attacking them now like Venezuela. We prop up and fund war by giving arms to fascist terrorist states like Saudi and Israel. We spend a trillion a year on our mercenary military that has been privatized to give CEO defense contractors billions. We are a fascist imperial force that has slaughtered millions in war crimes, torture, civilian bombings, and drone strikes. I see no one held accountable, instead they are rewarded.

    We have done some good things like providing help after hurricanes and floods. But I see little to be proud of or to celebrate.

    1. Denise, I strongly suggest you find a better country and move there forthwith.  The Taliban awaits your arrival.

      . I’ll chip in for your burkha.

      And Putin can always use another lickspittle.

      1. Trump colluded with Russia and Putin is a war criminal.
        We already have a republican Taliban….
        That corp dems enable and will do nothing about.
        Sorry you don’t like my speech and want to send those you don’t agree with to other countries. Just like cons to promote taking others rights away and thinking they are superior. Just sad on so many levels.

    2. The truth is nuanced. Factually, you’re correct about US military history. Modern poverty, crime, and starvation in third world countries were rooted in corporate and oligarchic profit- mongering, abetted by imperialist ideology, enforced by our military might. Mostly the CIA forces , rather than official military units. On the US continent, official and unofficial military forces made war on indigenous peoples.

      But along the way, there has been real heroism and sacrifice. My ancestors on both sides resisted evil in WWII, in and out of the military. Many of the young men who fought in Vietnam believed that they were fighting for democracy. That they were lied to and used doesn’t lessen that sacrifice. Today, people are enlisting in the foreign legion to fight for Ukraine.

      I also beleive in honoring the legions of social justice warriors that also sacrificed their health and lives for American ideals: equal treatment for all, freedom of speech, all the Constitution’s promises.

      So this Memorial day, Denise, you honor whomever you want to honor. All our heroes and sheroes are flawed; but they did the best they could. 
      I’m working on a book of memories for feminists in Denver who have passed on. That will be available to see June 4 at the Colorado History Museum. 
       

      1. Well said.  The point is our veterans don’t choose our wars, our politicians do. Vietnam and Iraq were counter-productive because they strenghened our real enemies, the USSR and Iran.  But LBJ and Bush made those calls, not those of us who fought them.

        And without the courage of vets like my father-in-law, a combat engineer in Normandy, we would be slaves to fascism today.

        Joe Louis was once asked why he went into the Army for a country that segregated and oppressed his people.

        His immortal reply: “Man, whatever’s wrong with this country, it ain’t nothin’ Hitler can fix.”

        Amen to that.

      2. kwtree
        Agreed for the most part. I did state after WWII.
        Those that have served had honorable intentions. What our military represents and our govt has done is quite a different issue and has been less than honorable. Confessions of an Economic Hitman layout our involvement pretty well. Now we use the IMF. The privatization of our military is the most disturbing of all.
        My father served. My nephew flies on the front lines now. Doesn’t change my views.

    3. Denise Spencer, apparently "we" are not celebrating.

      Some of us are celebrating and honoring those who died while serving, or died later on from the injuries of their body or minds suffered while serving in the military.

      The missions they were on were those chosen by the leaders that the voters elected. I consider some badly chosen, others pursued for evil ends, and some quite praiseworthy.  But whatever the mission, I honor those willing to step up to take on the assigned tasks, doing so according to a legal framework of action.  And for many, going above and beyond to serve the people where they are. 

      It is a moment to step out of the routine.  To look at their example and, in the words of one President,

      It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

      1. Service members serve, they do not get to decide if what they do is honorable or not but they know what they are serving. No I did not find the actions of confederate soldiers to be any more honorable than the actions of NAZIS. No one should honor the service they were willing to provide to their fascist countries. Lincoln can shove his honor everyone BS up his backside, it got him killed and gave the govt over to the other side.
        I have found our military and our actions to not be honorable. I love my family that serves. I fear for their lives everyday.  I find little honorable in the service they are asked to perform. I do not glorify or honor the privatized mercenary military we have now or for the last 70 years. Those that have died in our less than honorable actions is a tragedy and quite sad. I see little honor in it or service to it. Yes it would be nice to have military we could respect again but that would take respectable leaders which are non existent. It is what it is. How I think of memorial day and the millions we have laid waste too for the profits of oligarchs. We are a fascist country, what am I supposed to honor.

    4. Might want to be careful there, Denise, or whoever you are. Those “fascist imperial forces” may come for you next.

      Of course, you immediately lose credibility by implying that Venezuela has a “liberal government.”

      2. So when trump and our congress named a right wing fascist not elected by the people of Venezuela as their president instead of who was elected you think that is democracy. I’m sure you like the right wing coup in Bolivia too. I find the govt of Venezuela to be more totalitarian but they have legitimate elections, hardly left wing but not fascist. Venezuela nationalized it’s oil, that’s why we want to install a corp fascist dictator. Kinda like we did to Iran in the 1950s. How’d that work out…..

        https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

  9. Dusty Saunders died last night. If you’ve lived here long enough, you read his entertainment columns in The Rocky: https://www.denverpost.com/2022/05/30/dusty-saunders-obituary/

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