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May 20, 2022 11:32 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

  • 49 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“To know that we know what we know, and to know that we do not know what we do not know, that is true knowledge.”

–Copernicus

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49 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

  1. Once more into the reality of "education is a priority" in Colorado:

    Colorado Sun: “Everybody has a second job”: Low pay leaves rural Colorado teachers struggling Colorado’s teacher salaries are among the lowest in the nation

    “Our teacher pay across the board in Colorado, but more pressingly in these rural areas, is not sustainable for an average quality of life,” said State Senator Rachel Zenzinger, an educator who still teaches between legislative sessions. 

    The Budget Stabilization Factor is essentially “an ongoing debt to K-12,” said Tracie Rainey, executive director of the Colorado School Finance Project. In order to balance the state budget, lawmakers withhold money that, constitutionally, is intended to be spent on schools. As a result, between 2009 and 2021, Colorado schools lost out on more than $9 billion.

    1. The problem was that amendment mandated continuous spending increases while the Gallagher Amendment forced cuts in property taxes — the main source of local school funding — and TABOR forced tax cuts generally.

      You can’t increase spending and also cut taxes  indefinitely.

      Until we repeal TABOR and increase taxes, teachers will be underpaid.

      We also need year-round schools, which will require further increases in teacher pay. I spent my summers on the back of a tractor but schools don’t meet the day care requirements of working moms, which are now the rule, not the exception.

       

      1. Nice post Voyageur.  Maybe the rural pastor's will step in to educate their congregations. Evangelicals are salivating at the chance to home school their precious little ones with how horrible science is compared to religious superstitions.  Let those communist teachers find work somewhere else.

        1. GG, the Nazis waged a fierce campaign against "Jewish physics".

          Thus, we inherited many great Jewish physicists and beat them to the atomic bomb.

          Moral: Even if your religion teaches that E does not equal MC2, it's unwise to be near ground zero during a nuclear test.

        1. Make teachers state employees? Perhaps.

          As far as home schooling goes — why not require home school teachers to have a minimum of a Masters degree in education?

          And charge the home schoolers a hefty fee for running a business out of their home?

          And as far as home schools and church schools — why shouldn't the state set a set a required course which will match  the public schools in standards? If they wish to teach religion on the side, that should be no problem.   

          Just an idea. 

          1. The “collective bargaining for public employees” bill 22-230  was passed and sent to Polis to sign May 18, but it doesn’t do much except give county employees the right to bargain collectively with their Boards of County Commissioners.

            They still can’t strike or stop work. Those provisions were cut out of the bill early on. Most K12 teachers are already represented ( well or poorly) by a union, whether that be AFT or NEA. Charter school teachers are the exception.  (consequently, Charter working conditions are the worst: teachers work more hours forless pay, and are subject to hire-and-fire-at will.)

            What 12-230 would have done is represent the struggling, underpaid adjunct faculty instructors who teach at the state’s higher education campuses. They typically get paid about $2500 per course for a semester’s worth of work. Marianne Goodland did some fine reporting on this. 

            To Pam Bennett: what would you replace property tax funding with? Right now, unequal property tax revenues perpetuate inequity in schools. A wealthy district will have dedicated STEM labs, modern facilities and attract the best teachers. Expectation of college  is a given. Poorer districts will look and feel like educational warehouses that fail to graduate half their students every year. 

            To Blackie: How would you “require” homeschool or religious teachers to have advanced degrees? They can’t require that in public schools now. Homeschooled kids still have to take  standardized state tests, though their parents bitch about it. So colleges can still compare the student’s educational achievements to a norm.

            I have always liked most homeschooled students when they finally attend public schools. They tend to be studious, though lacking social skills. They tend to be great at retention of rote knowledge, but unskilled at debate or problem solving. Many LGBTQ kids are homeschooled, due to the massive bullying that still goes on.

             

          2. In a larger sense, can we PLEEZE get away from the tired, phony suggestion that we run EVERYTHING like a business. 

            Let's run schools like schools and hospitals like hospitals. Why must every conceivable kind of enterprise be engaged under the profit imperative?

             

              1. Running government like a business:

                A: fire half the workers, cut wages radically for the rest.

                B:  sell off assets and inventory.

                C:  Divert all the cash from A and B to other corporate shells.

                D:  Declare bankruptcy, stiff all your suppliers, bankers and investers.

                E:  Retire to Mar a Lago.

                 

          1. It has been around for decades.  A few states could do it. Colorado with Tabor might as well wait until the r's have been reduced another ten percent, then start the slog to remove Tabor.  All the lies used to sell it will be used to keep it in place, the criminal Bruce cheerleading. 

  2. Eric Adams has zero chance of becoming President

    1-he said if Biden doesn’t run. Biden has already said he’s running.

    2-he’s to the right of most Democrats, kiss of death.

    3-he’s been NYC mayor for what, less than two years?

    1. Sure, it's a long shot.  But: 1) Biden says now that he's running.  What else is he going to say? 2) Being to the right on some issues is exactly where one needs to be to become president 3) He was a NY state senator, Brooklyn Borough president, NYPD captain, and will have two plus years as NYC mayor.  Equal or better experience than Barack.

  3. Eric Adams is a real African American, not half Irish Obama…….no way unaffiliated middle racist " libertarian" electorate will consider him. 

    Fetterman, maybe. 

    Biden needs to retire and bless a fresh face who can speak publicly and its not Harris. 

    1. If Biden doesn’t run, and doesn’t endorse Harris, there will be holy hell to pay with disenchanted Democratic women and folks of color. 
       

      Why would you think that Harris can’t speak publicly? Have you seen her speak? Or be interviewed
      Just because the Fox Fiends have been tearing her down for two years doesn’t mean that you need to echo them. 
      It’s clear that she’s been constrained as Veep in a way Biden wasn’t. But again, we don’t need to keep searching over Harris’ head for a “real” moderate white candidate with a penis. If she’s passed over or cut out of the 2024/action, it will be a terrible loss for the country and for democracy. 

      1. How does Adams disenfranchise people of color?

        In last election I backed, sequentially
        Klobuchar
        Harris
        Warren.

        But each proved a weak campaigner, so I settled for Joe and we beat the big stink.
        If Biden doesn’t run in2024, I will surely look hard at Adams, whose cop background gives him credibility. I like Harris but so far her appeal seems limited to black women. As much as some people would like to, we just can’t tell all the men to piss off.

        1. Adams doesn’t disenfranchise people of color, nor did I say that he did. But you knew that.

          My point , which of course you ignored as you often do, is that if Harris is passed over in 2024 in favor of a white moderate male, Dems will lose the blocs that got them elected.

          Who exactly are “some people” who want to tell all the men to piss off? Have a name? a quote? a citation?

           

          1. Well, as “some people” go, the name kwtree comes trippingly to the tongue.devil

            That someone responded to the plug for Adams saying that “if Biden doesn’t run and doesn’t endorse Harris, there will be holy hell with disenchanted Democratic women and people of color.”

             Full stop.  No mention that Adams or other fine black men like cory booker might appeal to those same voter subsets.  No, it has to be Kamala Harris or there will be hell to pay.

            No other reading of that clause is possible.  If you are now backing off that threat, just say so.

            Otherwise, go back to your keyboard and defund some police, or something.  You know you want tolaugh

             

            1. Adams isn’t a white male, in case you hadn’t noticed, and I wrote

              But again, we don’t need to keep searching over Harris’ head for a “real” moderate white candidate with a penis. If she’s passed over or cut out of the 2024/action, it will be a terrible loss for the country and for democracy. 

              I stand by that statement.*
              Harris should be the preferred and endorsed candidate.  In a year in which reproductive rights will be a top issue, i wouldn’t bet the Democratic farm on the hope that women will smile and let a slight to VP Harris pass. She has to at least be in the running. 
              Then if convention delegates want to vote for someone else, that is how the system is supposed to work. But Biden better endorse his own VP.

              or, as I wrote, there will be hell to pay. 

            2. The Octogenarian Trotskyite has put word out that if Biden doesn't run, he may.

              You know kwtree has always had a warm place in her heart for Bernie Sanders.

               

              1. I've never denied admiring Bernie Sanders.

                But he's a Democratic Socialist, not a Trotskyite.  Democratic socialists look to achieve socialist reforms through electoral processes under a capitalist system.

                Trotskyites believe that a vanguard party led by the working class will foment a revolution and overthrow the capitalist government.

                Look it up.

                1. Well, Bernie may be democratic socialist now.  But in 1980, he was an elector in Vermont for the Socialist Worker’s Party, which was founded by Trotsky and continues to preach Trotsky’s word.

                  As Vanguards of the working class go, this was more like a corporal’s guard. The SWP got 75 votes for president in Vermont in 1980.

      2. Harris isn’t backward on crime and justice. She was a prosecutor, and has sent people to prison. She also pioneered racial bias training for officers, and campaigned on “reform” issues: ending cash bail, solitary confinement, etc. But she hasn’t, and never will, make all justice stakeholders happy.

        She’s had to perform a balancing act  …a job as top cop in one of the largest justice districts in the country, and an implicit need to show, as a woman and person of color, that she can still be “tough on crime”. 

        “ Constrained”…yes, Harris  has been constrained, like all Democrats in Congress. Our best efforts to pass the Voting Rights Act, Build Back Better, criminal justice reform, and more important and necessary legislation were stymied by conservodems Manchin and Synema, as well as McConnell and the usual suspects. 
        Nevertheless, Harris has taken care of business well as Veep, without generating much press or commendation. I think that’s just the usual sexist story- competent women don’t get noticed much. If she’d messed up big time, that would have been news. 
         

        Gotta go do stuff, so out the rest of tonight. Don’t let V bait you into imitating his worst habits.

  4. Sane of CD3 join political hands and swat away Boobert/QBert by primary. 

    55% beats 50% and dropping.  No way this district elects a Dem anytime soon.  But we can rid ourselves of Madison with boobs and a gun. 

    CO-03 (WESTERN & SOUTHERN COLO.)

    (R) Lauren Boebert* (50%)↓

    (R) Don Coram (35%)↑

    (D) Sol Sandoval (20%)
     

     

  5. This is gertie97, now with a new moniker of westslope. Changing was necessitated by the impossibility of signing in under gertie97. It said my password was no good. I had not changed it. I tried to change passwords and nothing worked. That said, call me gertie or westslope. I care not.

    Now to business. I’m holding out a slim hope for Coram but fear Boobert fans’ enthusiasm will drive turnout her way. I do agree that Democrats won’t win the 3rd again until redistricting…provided the numbers are drawn a lot better.

     

  6. I was so excited for coverage of Joshua Marin-Mora trying to reposition the loser candidates in the boring event. All that effort and Jan still in third. 

    So rare you see naked gay ambition to shape heteros world and Republicans just take it. 

    I hope we will see debate coverage of the women of establishment party republican slaves.

    …and yes I want to see Joshua Marin-Mora in a leather harness.

    1. From Jan’s Twitter bio:

      Oil & Gas Engineer. Mayor. Mom. Outsider running for Colorado’s 8th Congressional District. 23 years in the energy industry. Make America Energy Dominant 

       

      I’ve yet to understand the industry’s decades-long pushback if they truly seeker to make America “energy dominant”. Every barrel of oil produced here that’s displaced by biofuels or electric transportation is a barrel for export and a contributor to our balance of payments. Ditto for every therm of natural gas. 
       

      Just imagine the world we could create if our ‘energy dominance’ through exports was coupled with the quiet night of our military and our Yankee ingenuity to lead in green technologies the world desperately needs?
       

      Hey, it’s Sunday. We can dream about world peace at least one day a week, no? 
       

      1. It's easy to see Jan Kulman's priorities. All you have to do is peer through the murky air of Thornton, where she's been Mayor since 2019, and my 1 year old grandson has had a hacking cough since the family moved there. 

        It is one of the top 3 most polluted areas (air and water)  in Denver on any given weekday, what with the industries fouling the water -and  oil and gas flaring along the highway corridors. Most of the "state parks" are basically settling ponds.

        The school system in Thornton lost accreditation briefly. People are being evicted in droves from the city's many trailer parks. As I say…her priorities are obvious.

      2. In other stories about world peace around the globe, Australians booted out their prime minister and handed conservatives their worst loss since 1943.  Murdoch's media couldn't save Morrison and his cronies.  Labor and the Greens parties are positioned to bring some planet friendly policies to the land down under.

      3. Kulmen is in third place and that’s with all of the establishment dirty tricks. I think “loser” is the right job title. The only thing they are engineering is party resentment.

  7. Hi – I am finally getting to use my name again, I am retiring and in a few months will be released from my ethics shackles as a federal employee.  I have been here all along, just not posting much and definitely not in my name. 

    I miss Colorado, I left twelve years ago for D.C.  I live in the Annapolis area on the Chesapeake Bay, some of the time on my boat.  I have been a federal employee eleven years, working for the US Dept of Agriculture.  It is time to pack up my ball and let the kids take over.

    Retiring will give me more time to play on my boats, perhaps get back to my favorite state for a few days.  I am very happy that so many of the people in politics, way back when, are still in it and doing a great job.

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