Thursday Open Thread

“In a certain sense the Good is comfortless.”

–Franz Kafka

55 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. nancycronk says:

    We need more straight allies in the room when and testifying when Civil Unions goes for a vote in the house. You wouldn’t believe the people who show up to voice their extreme religious views. I have hundreds (thousands?) of friends or acquaintances who believe in civil unions or gay marriage, yet many were working yesterday. Please, join me to stand up for our friends in the lgbtq community from here, will you? I promise you it will be one of the most interesting (and important) things you’ll ever do.

    As far as the quote goes, I’ve never read Kafka. Someone’s going to have to explain that one to me.

    • nancycronk says:

      “It matters not who you love, where you love, why you love, when you love or how you love, it matters only that you love.” ~ John Lennon

    • Gray in Mountains says:

      and I hope the old lady who talks about rectums comes again. Hopefully she has heard of oral sex by now and can talk about that too.

      • Middle of the Road says:

        How potentially exciting.

        • nancycronk says:

          But was clearly advised not to speak. Her friend, younger, stay-at-home-Catholic-Mom, was almost as looney, carrying on about how 45 countries were not reproducing quickly enough. Seriously.  

          • BlueCat says:

            in legal unions they’ll be forced to propagate with straight partners instead?  Or something? Because if she thinks they should all remain celebate instead, maybe enter the priesthood where their repressed desires, stunted sexuality and self loathing can’t possibly do any harm, that’s really not going to solve her quaint idea of the population problem.

    • Voyageur says:

      Judge Vaughn Walker’s opinion in the California prop 9 case convinced me otherwise.  I guess it’s a step in the right direction but it still leaves children raised by gay couples under a stigma.  It’s time to just authorize gay marriage, repeal DOMA, and get on with more important things.  

       Like figuring out who Scott Gessler is, without goggling and without snickering too much.  

      • BlueCat says:

        At some point I realized that the only reason I was comfortable with civil unions but not gay marriage was that, for no particularly good reason other than not being used to the idea, the concept of gay marriage just had a certain ick factor for me and that an ick reaction was not a valid reason for opposition. Time goes by, things change, and at this point it’s hard to remember what that ick factor was about in the first place.  

  2. Awen says:

    I thought it would be nice for someone to start the Thursday thread other than Libby 🙂

    I have nothing pertinent to start the day, other than being extremely happy about being given the green light from our mortgage lender to go house-hunting.

    I hope you all have a smile on your face today!

    • Fidel's dirt nap says:

      which undoubtedly you have all seen. GM posts a record profit today for their 2011 results. 7.6 billion of revenue on a little over 105 billion.

      Think about how much security and livelihood that gives thousands of workers that were staring down the precipice not long ago.  Think about the multiplier effect that has on the overall economy.

      Think about where GM would be today without President Obama.  Think of where GM would be today if Romney were elected president back then.

      Thank you President Obama.

      There

      I had something positive to say today.

    • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

      And rapidly becomes less fun once you pick one and have to deal with inspections, closings, CHFA if applicable, yadda yadda, yadda yadda.

      Look at as many as you can and don’t be discouraged. The world is your oyster right now as a buyer. Have fun with it. I ended up on the night before Halloween looking at a vacant house on almost an acre, built in the early 1920s and abandoned for years. I was by myself, in the dark, in wind and rain, with only my agent by phone (sick in bed with flu) for company. Half the lights didn’t work, and the basement featured a terrifying solid concrete hallway barely wide enough to walk through with about a 5’6″ ceiling, which was the only route to the “third bedroom.” Not exactly the house for me, but definitely my favorite experience of the whole process, besides of course finding mine…

      …and if you need any other totally inexpert advice, I’ll be here all week 😉

      If you need an actual expert, I do have a really good real estate agent.  

    • sxp151 says:

      I absolutely hated every moment of buying a house, and I’m dreading the fact that I may do it again soon. Then again, some people don’t like math, so who am I to judge?

      • gertie97 says:

        as buying a car. I really detest the whole song-and-dance.

        • sxp151 says:

          I’m glad I’ve never had to buy one myself.

        • DavidThi808 says:

          1. Figure out which car you want.

          2. Call every local dealer at 9:00am and tell them you are going to the dealer that offers you the lowest price at 5:00pm that day to purchase.

          3. When they tell you that you have to come in to get an offer – tell them you’re hanging up in 30 seconds and do they want your phone number.

          I once had one dealer refuse to give me a price. They hate it because they know you are getting the lowest possible price – but they’ll do it.

          • gertie97 says:

            where some of us live over here on the sunset side of the divide, but it’s a good suggestion.

          • MADCO says:

            Do it by fax, requesting a return fax by a not later than time.

            No no phone calls, no conversations, no voice to voice confrontation.  If you don’t get the number you are looking for-  do the same thing in a neighboring city.

            Or – do something similar nationwide by email.

            I’ve bought two cars this way – one turned out to be local and the other was in Texas,  Even though the TX car cost $400 to retrieve (approx) – I still saved more than $6k from buying locally.  And the local dealer still likes me.

        • The realist says:

          No stress, no high pressure, no funny-money stuff.

      • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

        I loved the process. It’s like a treasure hunt, and you get to see so many interesting things that give you the most intimate window into the lives of people you’ll never know anything else about. One I almost made an offer on had been abandoned hurriedly, with red candlewax still dripping from the windowsill in the living room. I imagine them as a sweet old hippie couple. Another house turned out actually to have been moved–the entire house–when I-70 was built, and its stucco exterior was daubed on to hide a crack caused by the move. Then there was the one where there were still a child’s drawings hung in the bedroom… that one was sad. There was one with a flowering bush in the backyard that was covered in hundreds of calm, friendly, sated honeybees.

        I mostly looked at foreclosures, short sales, and other various sorts of vacant homes. The showings where people were still living there weren’t fun; I felt I was intruding.

        • sxp151 says:

          Bidding on foreclosures? Ugh.

          The housing search in Boulder is probably a lot different than in many other places. Prices never dropped here after the market crash, so house-hunting was just a stream of crappy condos completely trashed by their college-student tenants, or dinky rowhomes miles from anything yet still somehow crammed together like office cubicles. For half a million dollars.

          • Fidel's dirt nap says:

            before it gets completely Boulderized. We finally decided we didn’t want to pay $ 400 K for 100 sq. ft. with an unfinished basement, so we started looking elsewhere.   Half the price, excellent schools and homes, and very nice town. Seriously. DASH is available to Bldr too.

          • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

            I chose to enjoy the learning experience. I didn’t do the auction thing — mostly the Homesteps program homes from Freddie Mac. Easier to avoid the depressing that way really, since most of those were pretty obviously unsuccessful “flips,” not somebody’s family home they lived in for 30 years then couldn’t keep. Of course I sympathize with unsuccessful investors, but not the way I do with families who lose the homes they live in.

            (I don’t sympathize, on the other hand, with house flippers who add cosmetic upgrades specifically designed to camouflage major structural flaws and health hazards… saw plenty of those, too. I looked at almost 500 homes online and over 60 in person.)

          • ProgressiveCowgirl says:

            If you’re going to end up with a place you hate that cost way too much, do the longer commute instead. Maybe somewhere that will eventually have light rail to Boulder?

  3. VanDammer says:

    Anti-abortion “personhood” bill clears Oklahoma senate

    Okie’s just might win the NutFlakes race.  Seems the OK Senate approved their Personhood bill and now it’s up to their GOP-run House to approve and their GOP Gov to do nothing.

    Yep siree, Okie embryos & fetuses are gonna git “all the rights privileges, and immunities” of other citizens (though they just might not be viable citizens yet). Ya know that stirs the loins of our homegrown nutflakes and gives them more reason to think 3rd times a charm come Nov — let’s see if we can better the spread once again.

    • DavidThi808 says:

      They pass it, then outlaw birth control, and we then see what voters in a deep red state do when they face the consequences of that law.

      And yes it sucks for the residents of Oklahoma. But they’re the ones that elected people to their legislature.

      • Middle of the Road says:

        to the detriment of every single woman of child bearing age in Oklahoma. Oh well. Fuck ’em, I guess. After all some of those folks are the ones that elected these people to their legislature, right? So screw all of them. Every last one of them.

        God, I’d love it if just once you thought before you shot your stupid mouth off. Or, you grew a set of ovaries so you could actually understand what it feels like to have a bunch of middle aged white men in charge of your body, your decisions and your future.  

        • DavidThi808 says:

          No I don’t like it when they pass laws like this. But sometimes the only way people learn is to pass a really bad law and then learn the consequences first hand.

          • Middle of the Road says:

            Which is pretty much your MO on a variety of subjects. Current case in point–flippantly suggesting putting thousands of women at risk in order to explore an “interesting experiment.”

            I’d elaborate but I’ve learned over the years that you just simply don’t get it when it doesn’t directly affect you.

        • BlueCat says:

          where the Oklahoma panhandle and the Texas panhandle kind of come together. Lovely. Snakes, every plant has stickers, wind all the time, softball games called on account of dust storms, 150 people and four churches including two different kinds of Baptist and one church whose members occasionally got into trouble for letting a kid die because they didn’t believe in doctors.  Very nice neighborly people but I was the only woman in town over 18 who didn’t have a child yet. They all pretty much got pregnant and married, in that order, right out of High School at the latest. Our landlady was a 36 year old grandmother. I don’t know that they’ll notice any lack of birth control availability.  

          • Middle of the Road says:

            in OK as a little girl. My maternal grandmother lived there. It sucked then and from the sound of it, it sucks now.

            I just thank my personal non entity that I no longer have a reason to be forced to visit the godforsaken fucking place.  

    • MADCO says:

      someone is vacationing driving through OK who happens to be carrying a zygote, whether they know it or not.  

      Would OK have the authority to inquire? To intervene?

      If a person carrying said zygote has the means to expel or repel the zygote, would she be a criminal for using them?  Would there be jail time?

      Will the frozen embryos in OK have legal representation?  I mean if they are “people” is it really appropriate to keep them stored? Does OK have that whole life, liberty, poh, thing?

      Could they be certified as a class and sue the storage facility? Could they sue the parents?

      Could one become an emancipated minor? Could they own property? Could they inherit?

      What if someone is conceived in OK – does that make them an OK citizen, even if their parents remove them to another state?  What if they are removed from OK specifically to expel them?  What if the parents had no idea they even existed?  What if the parents are foreign nationals visiting OK who happen to create one.  Does the zygote-person then become a US citizen by virtue of having come into existence in OK?

      And on and on and on. We can all see that once upon a time, a zygote-person will end up being someone’s boss.  

    • Gray in Mountains says:

      where forbidding embryo parts in food just doesn’t go far enough

    • Oklahoma will probably get there first.

      • VanDammer says:

        Is Virginia Poised To Enact A ‘State-Sponsored Rape’ Law


        Earlier this month, a bill requiring women to receive an ultrasound before they can receive an abortion passed the Virginia senate, and it recently cleared a state house committee with an overwhelming majority.

        As Dahlia Lithwick explains, the effect of this bill would be to force most women to undergo a stunningly invasive procedure for no medical reason whatsoever. “Because the great majority of abortions occur during the first 12 weeks, that means most women will be forced to have a transvaginal procedure, in which a probe is inserted into the vagina, and then moved around until an ultrasound image is produced.”

        I wish I could say this is unimaginable but I’m wrong because VA asshole’s are making it law. I’m truly sorry for anyone with daughters, sisters, or any female relatives that reside in VA.  And David thinks it’s just another experiment.    

  4. ProgressiveCowgirl says:

    Obama approval on the rise, Republican leadership still loathed.

  5. VanDammer says:

    Mitt Romney to skip March 1 CNN debate

    Mitt’s folks changed their RSVP to “too busy to attend” as he scrambles to save face & tamp down Frothy’s surge.  It’s only like the 8th CNN debate and about the 20th thus far —  so how much harm can come from skipping just one?  But remember, optics are everything!

    Does it still go on with just 3 of the stooges?  Does this pull-out make Mitt look scared or hangs him with a foreshadowed scent of fail?  If he loses on SuperTue does this cast a darker shadow?  Frothy might now cancel so I guess without Mitt it’s just not a circus freakshow show.  Is there more to read into it than just too busy?  Whatta show folks!  

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