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Apparently, Manchin is not taking her threat very seriously……..
Joe Manchin Shrugs Off Elizabeth Warren's Primary Threat, Digs In on Filibuster (msn.com)
Well, realistically, as far as Dem Senators in WV go, it's Manchin or nobody at this point.
Now Sinema. That is a different story.
Absolutely…….when will Ruben Gallego announce he's running against her?
The world’s foremost deliberative body?
Truly, today's Senate has made a joke of itself. If I were Schumer I would just not have the Senate meet more than maybe one day per month. What they're doing now, under the actual rule of the GOP, is meaningless crap.
Covid death comparisons by red vs blue counties in Colorado:
This is answering a question Negev asked yesterday, about what I would consider to be a blue pro-vax county.
I used 2020 population statistics from the Census Bureau. This includes children, even though all adults were eligible for vaccinations in 2021, but 12 -15 year olds only since September 2021. I used COVID statistics from the CDPHE, counting only deaths attributed to COVID to date.
Blue counties:
Boulder 330,000 population, 542 deaths*. 542/330,000 = .00164
Denver: 715,522 people, 1083 deaths*, 1083/715522=
.00015.0015Jeffco 582,910 people, 1131 deaths* 1131/582910 = .002
Red counties
Weld
328,981 people 504 deaths* 504/328981= .0015
Mesa
155,703 people , 585 deaths*, 585/155703= .0037
Douglas p> 357,978 people, 457 deaths *457/357978=
.00013.0013* Not all COVID deaths were counted – Colorado changed to reporting only deaths where COVID was listed as cause of death, even though some COVID patients died of pneumonia, heart failure, etc. I remember some reporting that certain coroners avoided listing COVID as C o D , but can’t find that now. DougCo was one that supposedly fudged the numbers.
So you can see that Mesa is in trouble, Weld is about the same as Boulder and
but much worse thanDenver, and Jeffco’s are high compared to all but Mesa.Is there a point I’m supposed to care about? It is what it is. It’s a virus, we are all going to get it. Mask, vax, social distance, It’s a VIRUS, many more variants to come, it’s a VIRUS.
So is MAGA
You do realize 0.0015 > 0.00015 by an order of magnitude?
So is MAGA. But there are a lot more people who are immune to MAGA. MAGA targets the cognitively and/or morally compromised.
Consider them (literally and figuratively) the unvaccinated, unwittingly playing the role of mutant. What started out (pre-Koch) as some reasonable ideas underpinning the Tea Party, now five mutations later a gaggle of cult followers of a thrice-married, six-times-bankrupt, grifting, washed up reality tv show host who is now staring down the barrel of indictments for systemic fraud in his business dealings.
The good news is there is a vaccine : free and fair elections.
Oh, wait…
Check that math on Denver and Douglas. Weld and Denver are the same.
Yup, I goofed. I threw in an extra decimal place on Denver and Dougco- as happens when multitasking, and transferring numbers from screen to screen, but I should have double checked. Dougco should be .00127, rounded up to .0013, and Denver should be .0015.
Thanks for catching it and not being an @-hole about it.
Sorry to disagree, PP, and I know this is the internet where one should believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see……..
“We are all going to get it…..” “Knock on wood,” but I have yet to catch COVID. I’m fully vaxxed, including flu shots beginning in 2019; at least cover my mouth indoors with a mask; and occasionally still practice social distancing.
I think an outdoor oriented lifestyle helps a lot. Obviously, that’s not available to everyone due to location or conditioning level. My conditioning isn’t the greatest as I’m still in recovery right now from knee replacement surgery in mid-November. But one should be aggressive in taking advantage of the opportunities that arise.
Yes, you should care ( but probably don’t) that public health measures ( shutdowns, masking, mandates etc) in places like Denver kept at least twice as many people from dying as places like Mesa that did not.
We had many significant outbreaks in Jeffco, as well, but now have the virus under control to the point where most students are back in school in-person, and public sports and restaurants are open with COVID protocols. Mesa’s are still increasing to the point that it’s the leading cause of adult death now.
Hospitalizations may tell another story, but I can only do one deep data dive a day.
It’s not that I don’t care about COVID. I simply don’t care about analysis that that compare/contrast/blame one demographic against another.
In Boulder county 329,458 did not die from COVID. People are tired of attempts to scare people into giving up their human rights.
I'm going to blame the willingly unvaccinated for assisting the virus's transmission and evolution. You don't have a human right to infect me, PP.
Maybe he's a libertarian. Anarchists don't care about anyone else. The philosophy is "I got mine… FU".
"blame one demographic against another"..
Did I read that right? Surely, you di'nt.
What about the Southern border, Ace?
That should be enough, but I can add more, if you like.
“[Stupid] people, [and people who don’t give a shit about anyone else] are tired of
attempts to scare people[any factual or reality-based information] intogiving up their human rights[doing what is smart, and what is right].”FIFY, Pfruity-Wooty!
PS — we understand your concern for your fellow snowflakes, that this pandemic occasionally makes them feel bad for not doing what they should and could to help reduce its harm.
FIFY
A more elaborate analysis of the red/blue divide has been done by Charles Gaba: he writes up his observations each week, and the most recent is here.
Powerful Pear, far be it from me to suggest what you should care about. I do appreciate your willingness to urge “mask, vax, social distance.” Far too many of those on the right not only don’t agree to urge those sensible steps, they actively discourage or prevent people from those sensible steps.
The good news from my perspective: even if we all “get the virus,” the difference in outcomes is startling (to me). CDPHE stats now show hospitalizations at 3.9 versus 46.2 per 100,000 in the week of 12/19. And 54.8 versus 704.7 deaths per million in the month of November. We all may get it, but the burden on families, hospitals and coroners is more than 1 to 12 on those choosing not to vaccinate. I know which side I want to be on.
Thanks for this. I have one little and one big gripe.
(1) If you express the number in deaths per thousand, then PP wouldn't get lost trying to count all the zeros after the decimal point.
(2) Differential death rates by age are extremely significant, so using percent of total population covers up one of the keys to understanding how serious Covid is. I know you are trying to make a good point, and it would be much harder to get the data by age.
Back in 2020, Colorado was presenting the data by age groupings. If I recall, it was on the order of a factor of ten every decade of years. 80-90 was ten times 70-80, which was ten time 60-70, and so on.
That makes it all the more bizarre why Republicans have chosen to unleash the scourge on older people who are more likely to be their own supporters.
If interested, you can drill down on COVID & demographics on the state's website.
I did try comparing age data as you suggested- one problem is that many county public health agencies don’t disaggregate covid deaths by age. Mesa, for example, with ~ 20% 65 seniors, does do that, but Boulder with only 14% does not.
I haven’t looked at the New York Times or Johns Hopkins sites, but the Gaba site J i D pointed to is very interesting. One of his findings was that in Colorado at least, Biden voters were slightly more likely than Trump voters to die of COVID. There are, of course, many more Biden than Trump voters in Colorado, which probably helps to explain that.
One thing is indisputable- vaccinations save lives and have made re-opening society safer.
Would be interesting to compute for more red and blue Colorado counties.
Here's red Fremont County: 167 deaths (per the County's website), 48,939 (per the Census Bureau) = .0034
Taken from:
Sorry the chart doesn't copy well. This is all Covid deaths to date per 100,000 ranked in order from worst to best (or best to worst, if you're a member of the GOPer death cult).
The first number under the county's name is the total number of deaths; the second number is the per 100,000 figure.
Colorado
10,879
189
Bent ›
45
807
Otero ›
118
646
Conejos ›
48
585
Washington ›
26
530
Cheyenne ›
9
492
Logan ›
100
446
Crowley ›
27
445
Morgan ›
128
440
Pueblo ›
700
416
Huerfano ›
28
406
Delta ›
124
398
Kit Carson ›
28
395
Moffat ›
50
376
Prowers ›
45
370
Rio Grande ›
41
364
Costilla ›
14
360
Alamosa ›
58
357
Phillips ›
15
352
Montrose ›
150
351
Fremont ›
164
343
Custer ›
16
316
Mesa ›
483
313
Sedgwick ›
7
311
Dolores ›
6
292
Kiowa ›
4
284
Las Animas ›
35
241
Montezuma ›
59
225
Baca ›
8
223
Adams ›
1,147
222
Yuma ›
22
220
Teller ›
55
217
Rio Blanco ›
13
206
El Paso ›
1,459
203
Jefferson ›
1,146
197
Chaffee ›
39
192
Weld ›
613
189
Arapahoe ›
1,120
171
Lincoln ›
9
158
Denver ›
1,127
155
Saguache ›
10
147
Broomfield ›
100
142
Garfield ›
80
133
Mineral ›
1
130
Grand ›
20
127
Ouray ›
6
121
La Plata ›
68
121
Larimer ›
416
117
Elbert ›
31
116
Douglas ›
385
110
Boulder ›
339
104
Clear Creek ›
10
103
Routt ›
24
94
Park ›
17
90
San Miguel ›
7
86
Gunnison ›
13
74
Archuleta ›
9
64
Gilpin ›
4
64
Eagle ›
33
60
Summit ›
12
39
Pitkin ›
6
34
Lake ›
2
25
Hinsdale ›
0
—
Jackson ›
0
—
San Juan ›
0
—
Charles Gaba has a spreadsheet sharing ALL of the counties he uses as a basis for his work.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/100BFc0VppVL8CIhaNh5ZiTFGBNCnGBdYzfqISAWxln8/edit#gid=0
Thank you mama for the comparison. Park Hill made a good observation below about all those zeros and I looked up the decimal to percentage conversion, which results as follows as a death rate as percentage of population:
Boulder .164%
Denver .15%
Jeffco .20%
Weld .15%
Mesa .37%
Douglas .13%
Average Blue counties is .17% Average Red counties .21% for a difference of .04%
Is that math right? Are we talking about hundredths of 1 percent difference?
Not to trouble you mamma but your Denver county math is off:
1083/715522 = .0015, not .00015
Same with Douglas 457/357978 = .0013
Sorry I see you saw my response to Mr Bowman above, don’t know how this gets so far down after hitting reply!
From Josh Marshall at TPM: Donald Trump calls on Republicans to commit election as well as voter fraud:
AP has a feature article on Craig, CO and the coal / electric industry there.
https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-coal-environment-colorado-82d2d2af2c8e0f8c56cae205c5b5b9bd
Thats a great article JiD which shows the human side of the coal industry up in Craig. I hope the workers and town are able to transition and end up OK. The only constant is change…
Alva, what's going on with the "recent comments" box? It looks weird and doesn't say which thread a comment is on
I agree. If it's not broke, why try to fix it?
It's just a guess, but I'll say garden variety WordPress clownery.
Ding ding ding! WordPress changed this in the last update. We’re trying to fix it.
Good luck. I preferred the old style which indicated the thread where the comment went.