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November 18, 2021 06:46 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

  • by: Colorado Pols

“A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you actually look forward to the trip.”

–Caskie Stinnett


25 thoughts on “Thursday Open Thread

    1. No. 

      This is the day that all Polsters need to contact Senator John Hickenlooper's office to urge him to vote for a carve-out of the filibuster rules in order to pass critical voting rights legislation currently before the Senate.  The GOP has already filibustered this legislation.  Last night at Hick's virtual town hall meeting, many of us asked him for his position.  Last night he merely said that he was "working hard" to get 60 votes.  Period.  In late August he told us during that virtual town hall meeting that if they couldn't get 60 votes then he'd need vote to bypass the filibuster.  It sounds like he is now equivocating.  And, since he cowardly refuses to hold meetings in public, there is no opportunity to press him on this issue.  As I noted yesterday, passing voting rights legislation now is mandatory to prevent GOP legislatures to nullify federal election results and choose for themselves who won. 

      We are truly facing an existential threat to our democracy.  Hickenlooper's weasel actions result in him collaborating with the GOP as they dismantle our country. 

      Hick's DC phone number is: 202-224-5941.

      1. Done, itlduso. Hick and Manchin both rely on the same big donors, but I doubt if their donor buddy bond will do anything at all to persuade Manchin to vote for voting rights legislation. 

        Hick would be more accountable, in Blue Colorado.

        1. Thanks, Tree.  This is an issue that I want to, at least, say I did what I could to prevent the loss of our democracy.  I hope other Polsters feel the same.

      2. Seems like maybe the time is ripe for a hit piece on Pols favorite whipping pony, Andrew, to deflect from these principled stands by our junior senator?  Can we stop bringing butter knives to gun fights? 

  1. Pfruit may enjoy this Trump University graduate level economics theory being promoted by EmptyG.  Who’s going to tell her that Ttumpy had to rely on imports for two of his three wives? 

    1. Wonder if she knows:

      France provided the money, troops, armament, military leadership, and naval support that tipped the balance of military power in favor of the United States and paved the way for the Continental Army’s ultimate victory…

      1. L'enfer me direz-vous !


        It was George Washington and slave owners and other founders bootstrapping with their long guns! That was all that was required because God was on our side, back when.

      2. You can actually get a lively argument among historians on this point.  Remember, we beat the Brits at Saratoga without French help — in part because of the heroic leadership of … yep … Benedict Arnold.   Historian Page Smith, A Peoples History of the U.S.A. argues that French support made the King and Parliament more obdurate, much as the Russians and Red Chinese made us unwilling to get out of Vietnam.

        Still, I side with naval historian Fletcher Pratt.  A French fleet was key to the victory at Yorktown — where French regulars actually outnumbered American regulars, if you did not count local militia.

        But above all, the French under Admiral Suffren pressed the British half the world away, in all-important India.  The war dragged on for two years after Yorktown, but in the end the English went all in to save India and cut their losses in the far less lucrative Americas.   And without a doubt, French financial support was vital to the insolvent republic.


      3. I wonder if she knows it was wealthy Republican industrialists (her donors) who moved production off-shore to make more money from cheap labor abroad?

    1. Boy is there a lot to unpack. I get the ‘small biz are starved for their investment funds’ argument, but the marijuana biz is so dominated by wealthy white folk I’m not sure anyone can change that. I’d rather they put the whole tamale on the floor of the Senate and get everyone on record, including Rand Paul.  Right now most of the funds from Canada are shell companies the Russian oligarchs have filled up with their illicit funds.

      For now I’m in the ‘don’t accept half-a-load’ deal. We’ve *ucked people of color far too long to just cede this industry to a handful of rich white guys. 

      1. I disagree, Michael.   First things first: straighten out the banking laws.   All cash business attract violent criminal, money launderers, tax evaders, all the bad stuff.   Fix that, worry about the rest next year.

        1. A year ago I was probably there, too. I’ve always been an incrementalist legislatively, much to the chagrin of my fellow cannabis enthusiasts. But on this issue I’m frankly exhausted. We cast this dye in 1937 and then gave it a shot of steroids in 1969 with Nixon and the Controlled Substances Act.

          The pain and societal costs we’ve imposed on the communities of color is incalculable. I fear that taking half-a-loaf this time is self-defeating. I became a Democrat for many reasons, but one of which is we seemed to be able to identify and tackle big problems; we could multi-task.  This is one of those times. We know federal policy is severely flawed. We know (and see) the costs. We’re in power. If we can’t comprehensively fix this societal stain under these conditions, it’s hard to imagine when we will. Power concedes nothing and right now minority communities are holding no cards. Let’s fix this. 

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