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  by: Colorado Pols October 25, 2021 at 7:10 AM MDT

“Initiative is doing the right thing without being told.”

–Victor Hugo

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  1. JohnInDenver says:
    October 25, 2021 at 7:40 AM MDT

    Rep. Boebert hits the news, again

    Rolling Stone: Jan. 6 Protest Organizers Say They Participated in ‘Dozens’ of Planning Meetings With Members of Congress and White House Staff

    “We would talk to Boebert’s team, Cawthorn’s team, Gosar’s team like back to back to back to back,” says the organizer. …

    Rolling Stone has separately obtained documentary evidence that both sources were in contact with Gosar and Boebert on Jan. 6. We are not describing the nature of that evidence to preserve their anonymity.

    • Duke Cox says:
      October 25, 2021 at 7:56 AM MDT

      Let's see if Reppy le Pew Pew will be able to shoot her way out of this one.

      The circle around this traitorous cabal is tightening…

       

      • Sparky says:
        October 25, 2021 at 7:58 AM MDT

        Sadly there will be no concrete consequences for anyone who enabled the attempted coup: All evidence of the direction Trump and his Congressional minions provided for the insurgents has been out in the open for some time and nothing has happened. Even the terrorists themselves were slapped with nothing more than misdemeanors.

        It's nothing but blind unfounded hope that QBert or any of her buddies will face any consequences for anything. This country just doesn't hold powerful people responsible.

        • MartinMark says:
          October 25, 2021 at 8:06 AM MDT

          Oh it's worse than that.  Jan 6 proved something that was already obvious, the right will not only tolerate treason, they will reward it.

           

          The Dems meanwhile long ago made quite clear that they have no stomach for (or interest in) a fight.  You kids can google it: Iran-Contra.

        • JohnInDenver says:
          October 25, 2021 at 10:28 AM MDT

          “no concrete consequences” “even the terrorists themselves were slapped with nothing more than misdemeanors.”

          Don’t know where you are getting your information … but you seem to have missed a bit.

           * 680 charged, and more being sought.

           * over 100 guilty pleas, mostly misdemeanors.  Punishments for those are below and above the federal sentencing guidelines.  Nearly all required cooperation of allowing access to social media accounts and email, and do interviews with law enforcement under guidelines of a US Attorney.

           * Other felonies have been charged. “At least 190 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including over 60 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.” 40 defendants have been charged with conspiracy

          * “Thirteen have pleaded guilty to felonies. Four of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded to charges related to assaults on law enforcement. All face statutory maximums of 20 years or more in prison as well as potential financial penalties.”

          * The one sentence for a felony I know of was for 14 months, a monetary penalty (or restitution — I don’t remember), and 3 years supervision after release.

      • RepealAndReplace says:
        October 25, 2021 at 1:28 PM MDT

        She can always distract attention from her role in 1/6 by redirecting attention to her campaign finance mess or Jayson's big, fat oil industry contract.

  2. davebarnes says:
    October 25, 2021 at 7:41 AM MDT

    Today is Sourest Day. A special day for V.

  3. Powerful Pear says:
    October 25, 2021 at 7:59 AM MDT

    Poor Melisa, still waiting for Progress Now to negotiate a living wage for her. If you have minimum skills you will live a minimum  lifestyle. If you have minimum education you will think inflation is not a tax.

    Congratulations PolCats, you are getting everything you voted for.

    https://www.coloradopolitics.com/denver-gazette/report-colorado-has-8th-highest-cost-of-living-adjusted-minimum-wage-in-the-nation/article_9395e3c6-336f-11ec-8a77-73e4a97715b0.html?utm_source=coloradopolitics.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail%2Fdaily-morning%2F%3Ft%3D2&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline

  4. Genghis says:
    October 25, 2021 at 9:50 AM MDT

    More reason to feel bad for sane people in living down in COVID Heaven, as Ron DeSantis is offering $5K relocation bonuses to sociopathic cops who quit or got fired from police departments in other states because of vaccination mandates.

    • Duke Cox says:
      October 25, 2021 at 9:55 AM MDT

      DeSantis wants to be President. I think he is convinced the only way to do that is to out Trump, Trump. 

      No telling how far he will go.

    • divergent_tdog says:
      October 25, 2021 at 11:28 AM MDT

      Prickets in Nebraska was recruiting unvaccinated nurses for state nursing homes including veterans' care facilities.

      • Genghis says:
        October 25, 2021 at 12:29 PM MDT

        Damn. The GOP's interstate Hold My Beer tournament continues apace.

      • JohnInDenver says:
        October 25, 2021 at 5:50 PM MDT

        When was that recruitment?  Not too recently.

        The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) is taking action to require COVID-19 vaccinations for workers in most health care settings that receive Medicare or Medicaid reimbursement, including but not limited to hospitals, dialysis facilities, ambulatory surgical settings, and home health agencies. This action builds on the vaccination requirement for nursing facilities recently announced by CMS, and will apply to nursing home staff as well as staff in hospitals and other CMS-regulated settings, including clinical staff, individuals providing services under arrangements, volunteers, and staff who are not involved in direct patient, resident, or client care.

         

  5. NOV GOP meltdown says:
    October 25, 2021 at 1:44 PM MDT

    I would say I can't believe Donald Trump Jr. is selling T-shirts mocking the accidental death of Halyna Hutchins, but that's the America we live in right now.  What a complete low life, shitty human being.

    • MichaelBowman says:
      October 25, 2021 at 1:53 PM MDT

      The creators of Succession had to have built the character of Kendall Roy from DJTJ.  A sad coke addict so desperately seeking his daddy’s approval there is literally nothing he wouldn’t do. 
       

      • NOV GOP meltdown says:
        October 25, 2021 at 2:04 PM MDT

        I guess he felt like he had to one up his Dad, who mocked Colin Powell the day after his death last week.  Such a classy bunch. If Germany hadn't permanently banished Frederick Trump for being a dirtbag like his grandson and great grandson we wouldn't have to deal with this shit.

        • RepealAndReplace says:
          October 25, 2021 at 2:48 PM MDT

          "If Germany hadn't permanently banished Frederick Trump for being a dirtbag like his grandson and great grandson we wouldn't have to deal with this shit."

          Friedrich Trump left Germany to avoid conscription in the German army. (Unlike his grandson, he never developed those legendary bone spurs.)

          After migrating to the US, his German wife became homesick and Friedrich penned a letter of repentance to the Kaiser begging for forgiveness and re-entry to Germany. (It sounded like the type of letter his grandson would enjoy receiving from one of his sycophants.) 

          But it fell on deaf ears. Wilhelm II knew his country was better off without that family and rejected the plea. 

      • RepealAndReplace says:
        October 25, 2021 at 2:43 PM MDT

        Michael, you mentioned that show a while back so I checked it out. My other half and I are now hooked on it!

        Shiv and Tom are dead ringers for Ivanka and Jared but is Roman supposed to be Eric? I don't see it.

        I realize that the producers have conflated the Trump children with Rupert Murdoch as the patriarch. DJT Sr. doesn't have one-eighth of the brains that Logan Roy has.

        PS  I had to Google "box set death march" after Shiv used that term on her wedding night to her husband.

    • Conserv. Head Banger says:
      October 25, 2021 at 2:44 PM MDT

      It's taken the creation of this t-shirt to realize that Donald Jr. is a low life dirt bag? 

      I've known that since long before the 2016 election campaign.

  6. Diogenesdemar says:
    October 25, 2021 at 6:28 PM MDT

    How bad can a "tax cut" be if it's supported by Bill Owens, and Jared Polis says he's voting for it? . . .

    . . . Well, so bad that even the tax-and-spend socialists over at the  Denver Post think it smells like month-old gym socks stuffed with lutefisk . . .

    Editorial: Set aside spite when considering Proposition 120

    Vote no on Proposition 120 to help increase school funding

    If the full tax cut takes effect like we think it will, it also will reduce local funding to cities, counties, special districts and other property tax-dependent entities by about $1 billion.

    Proposition 120 was put on the ballot by Colorado Action Rising, which is led by Michael Fields. Fields is correct that Colorado property taxes are rising at an unsustainable rate given the inflation in housing. Colorado property taxes are based on a formula. Local assessors assign each property a “market value,” which is then multiplied by the statewide assessment rate to determine the taxable value. That taxable value is then divided by the local mill rate for each taxing entity — 1 mill equals $1 of taxes owed per $1,000 of taxable value.

    So even if a local mill rate doesn’t increase, our property values are going up by double digits, and that will mean mortgages are going up across the state to cover taxes paid most often by escrow accounts.

    But permanently lowering the statewide assessment rate is not the way to bring property tax relief to Coloradans. Property taxes affect local entities, and these discussions must happen at the local level.

    https://www.denverpost.com/2021/10/25/proposition-120-property-tax-reduction-endorsement/

     

  7. kwtree says:
    October 25, 2021 at 8:06 PM MDT

    Pols is looking calmer today. No trolling, and a thoughtful diary by Michael Bowman. Carry on.

    • Col.Mustard says:
      October 25, 2021 at 8:10 PM MDT

      Much nicer when those platypus guys knock it off.

      • Voyageur says:
        October 25, 2021 at 10:41 PM MDT

        I love platypuses, kwtree.  As an aside, your use of “platypi” is fitting for these whimsical creatures — but wrong.  The word isn’t latin, it’s Greek.  In Greek, the plural would be “platypodes.”

         but in English there are two accepted plurals:

        Platypuses and

        Platypus — as in I saw one sheep Monday and three sheep Tuesday. Then I saw one platypus Wednesday and four platypus Friday.

        My own solution to the plural problem is simple: That platypus there, the one on the left.  And all the rest of them.wink

        • ᛚᚢᛏᛖᚠᛁᛋᚴ says:
          October 26, 2021 at 12:11 AM MDT

          Good point, V.  

          I think it’s probably less right to use the ancient greek conjugation rules than the other “wrong” forms. 

          1) Platypi have a very limited natural range, and the odds of an ancient greek sailor encountering the creature and using that same term Linnaeus chose are slim enough to dismiss as a possibility.

          2) Platypi, a criminal portmanteau of greek and latin, or “latinized” greek. This.

          3) Linnaeus used greek descriptors in genus and latin for the specific type. 

          In other words, it’s anachronistic to call them “platypodes”, and the custom for the vast, vast majority of accepted nomenclature comes from one man writing in the bastard spawn of zeus and juno.  

          Then again, I personally subscribe. to the Wittgenstenstinian argument that a word’s meaning is its use. and that works for spelling too. This is where the anglicized conjugations fall in place.

          You’re BOTH right, as long as you can understand each other 🙂

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