Friday Open Thread

“Propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state.”

–Noam Chomsky

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  1. davebarnes says:


    • Voyageur says:

      no it isn't

      and barnes is again with the dumbass proclamations


      • Conserv. Head Banger says:

        Barnes does that just to irritate VG and he falls for it every time.  🙂  🙂

        • notaskinnycook says:

          He does. And if V would stop taking the bait it'd take all the fun out of it for Barnes.

          • Voyageur says:

            No such luck, cookie.  Barnes is committed to the likes of Butterscotch Pudding Day as the essence of his existence.  I have on occasion succeeded in shaming him into something of minor consequence, as I did on a Wednesay (watergate) and Thursday (Harding decrying lynching.)

            But, inevitably, he reverts to Taco Day.

            The man has the soul of a public relations intern.

            • StonerBabbleGuy says:

              What consequence? He still posts his factoids. You still look like a troglodyte.

              Incidentally, happy Nut Day to you, Voyageur, the nuttiest nut to ever nut on this forum.

              • Duke Cox says:

                You underestimate my friend, voyager. He is playing with you. Once you have withstood the assault, he may start taking you seriously. 

                Your adversary here, whom I affectionately call, “V”, is a very accomplished individual, and I daresay is easily as intelligent as you think he/she wants you to think.

                Welcome to Pols…😉

          • kwtree says:

            Oh, it irritates many of the rest of us, as well. I suppose that's what makes it all worthwhile for davebarnes, even if it drives readers away. 

        • Voyageur says:

          Still waiting for you to provide the names of all those millionaires you swear want to send their kids to community college, CHB/p>

          Or are you willing to admit I caught you blowing BS out your ass?

          Yeah, I know I did.

          The list, boy, I want the list!

          Tee hee.

          • StonerBabbleGuy says:

            No one knows or cares what you are talking about.

            • Voyageur says:

              You care, desperately, which is why you stole my avatar, Oscar the Platypus, in the desperate hope that people would read your dullard’s delerium thinking they were my posts.

              but that just makes you look dumber than ever, Stonerbabbleguy.

              Tee hee.


              • StonerBabbleGuy says:

                No no, I am paying tribute to you for all the wisdom you impart and the tab you have open to try and condescend. 

                Very hip. Not at all right-wing boomer behavior.

                Do you not like my platypus? 

                • Voyageur says:

                  It's my platypus.  But since you  acknowledge that I am superior to you in every meaningful way, I will graciously let you copy it as a sign of your homage.

                  Tee hee.


          • Conserv. Head Banger says:

            You didn't catch anything. My comment was generic in nature. Like the comment about more job training programs.

            Nice try, though, at trying to divert attention from my main point, which was the need for means-testing. Too bad it didn't work.

      • notaskinnycook says:

        How's this, then, V? On this date in 2016, the Chicago Cubs won their first pennant since 1945, beating the Los Angeles Dodgers 5-0 in Game 6 of the NL Championship Series.

  2. JohnInDenver says:

    And speaking of Propaganda, as Chomsky did so well —

    Here's a little look-see into the production of propaganda here in Colorado, found in a Daily Kos column:

    Union of Concerned Scientists: Colorado Targeted by Fossil Fuel Industry’s Disinformation Playbook

    I suspect there may be a few additional details of the complex web.known to readers here:  but the main connection being fleshed out and the 6 pages of bibliography (for a 33 page paper) my be worth your consideration.

  3. Conserv. Head Banger says:

    Katie Kennedy, Registered Agent for PACs, is back. This time, she’s the R.A. for Unite for Colorado, which is supporting Amendment 78.

    The address given on the card flyer for 78 is 2770 Arapahoe Rd., Suite 132-601, Lafayette…….in case anyone wants to drop by and see what’s in that office suite….

  4. MichaelBowman says:

    If I have to endure one more screed by a journalist regarding Manchin and his entitlement concerns I think I’ll hurl. Perhaps he’d like to answer a few questions about the entitlement of wealthy, white, politically-connected men with daughters who corner markets and exploit a not-so-free marketplace? 

    This is entitlement at its zenith. 

    • Voyageur says:

      Face it, we need to elect 2 more real democrats to the Senate in 22, eliminate the filibuster, and keep the House.  Then we do the Bernie Boogie and pass reforms the right wing can never undo.

      Yeah, we’ll miss the filibuster when the right gets unified control again.  But look at Britain — the Conservatives support national health!  

      We just don’t have a working majority.  Manchin is the best we’ll get in WV.  Sinema, on the other hand, is Vidkun Quisling’s kid sister.

      • RepealAndReplace says:

        Sinema is nuts.

        There's been speculation that she is more concerned about her post-Senatorial employment opportunities – hence the attention she pays to her donors.

        But if she thinks she's going to K Street to become a lobbyist, she is sadly mistaken.

        Clients want lobbyists who have credibility with legislators. Republicans won't talk with her because she was a Democrat – at least on paper.

        And Democrats won't talk with her because she was a traitor.

      • MichaelBowman says:

        …and give Wash DC and Puerto Rico statehood for good measure?  

        • JohnInDenver says:

          Puerto Rico has a pretty solid history of sending Republican Delegates to Congress and electing Republican-ish Governors.  .I don't think there is any certainty what would happen if the islands became a state.

          I've got no certain opinion on what the best course for PR is — but some expected impact on the Senate is not a good reason to choose.

          • RepealAndReplace says:

            There is history of voting for Republicans but Dems would simply need to remind voters of more recent history.

            The Democratic Party candidates in Puerto Rico would simply need to run the video of You-Know-Who tossing out those rolls of paper towels after the hurricane and remind voters of all the assistance that never arrived.

      • StonerBabbleGuy says:

        Completely agree.  Doubly so on the quisling. 

        How long would it take for the right to reunify without the filibuster? It's hard to conceive of a way for them to gather under the big tent without a standing political stopgap.  

        That is to say, there are lots of ways for them to unify behind saying "No" to democrats, but I'm not so sure what moderate republicans exist will be inclined to unify behind the positive actions wanted by the hard right (contraceptive bans, for example).  I'm not saying it's impossible, only that without a filibuster they will have a LOT more difficulty than the party has ever faced. Especially since one man with no political power (at the moment) is currently leading them.

        • Duke Cox says:

          You make a good point there, StonerBabbleGuy (SBG, from here on out).

          I have been a proponent of ending the filibuster for a long time. The division in the ranks of the loyal/disloyal opposition should cripple them until they actually become demographic dinosaurs.

  5. Voyageur says:

    Shout Out to KWTREE. 

    You’re a teacher.  What do you think of Prop 119?  It purports to tutor kids.  But the only funding is an increase in already high marijuana taxes.  Education benefits everybody, so why should only pot smokers pay for it? Truly undecided here, but leaning No.

    • kwtree says:

      I’m agin it, ( as your old friend and my father used to say). For a few reasons: 

      1) there are no provisions that the money raised will go to accredited or qualified educators. Your kid’s Sunday school teacher or swim coach, or the institution which employs them, could receive the pot  sin tax funds. Public monies could easily end up in private hands, with little or no accountability. As the Summit Daily wrote, “[This] setup is ripe for fraud, corruption, and misuse of taxpayer dollars.”

      There has certainly been “learning loss” from the pandemic. This bill just throws money at the problem. It’s not well thought out.

      2. Colorado is 44th in  the country for education funding. We need to unsnarl the Tabor knot and have more equitable school financing to start to fix that. Just taxing pot is merely an attempt to pacify the culture warriors that want to bring their version of morality back. 
      3. Making pot more expensive would strengthen the black market dealers, including the cartels, who have been weakened by legal cannabis. 

      • Voyageur says:

        Thanks, kw.  I hate to vote against something labeled education, but this one, as we say in Eastern Colorado, looks like all hat and no cattle.


      • notaskinnycook says:

        Spot on kwtree. It’s almost as if the legislature and the social do-gooders are trying to drive cannabis back into the black market. Sin taxes have a tipping point, and I think we’ve just about passed it.

        • StonerBabbleGuy says:

          Careful, kwtree doesn’t read up on drug politics and doesn’t take kindly to people pointing out “social do-gooders” putting bad cannabis legislation in place. 

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