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October 11, 2011 10:53 PM UTC
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Especially on poor people’s food.
Because, gosh-darnit, if they needed to eat they shouldn’t have gotten laid off when the banking system crashed the economy! Maybe next time they’ll think before they go to work every day not expecting a total financial meltdown!
There’s no tax on anything on incomes below the poverty level. There’s no tax of course for the non-wage-earners and as for those who do make a wage there’s no more FICA – 15% back into the paycheck.
We really need to look at this plan, and this guy. His reforms are structural and he’s extremely intelligent. But true, no “government” experience. That’s been working so well for us so far.
Obviously, there’s a huge problem with the rest of the field if an outspoken bigot who does not understand how government works, or how math works, is at “center stage.”
I had a great conversation recently with a far-right conservative radio host about why conservatives like Herman Cain, and he made a great deal of sense. I understood his points and I can see how, if I shared that radical ideology, I would support Cain as a candidate. However, if one does not share a very far right ideology both socially and economically, he is not at all appealing when one actually analyzes his policy proposals and gets past the fluffy “but he’s not a politician, he’s a regular guy!” marketing.
The problem with Cain isn’t so much Cain — he has every right to espouse his policy proposals if he wishes — it’s with the fact that the GOP field lacks someone who actually fundamentally understands how to do the job of President, who can also appeal to conservatives on the grounds of ideological consistency, record, and charisma. Which begs the question: Is that possible anymore, or has the GOP base divorced itself so far from the party leadership that no possible Republican candidate with realistic policy proposals and an understanding of government could connect with the base?
What I see is a guy who has consistently problem solved very difficult issues; who follows a sound leaderhip/business paradigm; who rose to the top of three professions (systems, business management, banking); who was a ballistics expert for the Navy, who has a Masters in Mathematics, and who hasn’t spend his life in politics.
The GOP is still fronting Romney, by the way. They are pretty terrified of Cain because he can’t be controlled by them and no one owns him. I don’t agree with him on every issue but I think his consistent record for success and the fact that he understands a problem-solving model makes him ideal. Radical ideology? Throw out the tax code and make structural changes to boost the economy and get people working. How scary. Let’s keep printing fake money and flushing it down the john.
Cain is marginalized by the party, the media, and the left because he doesn’t fit the mold. How’s that mold been working for us anyway?
poor people aren’t paying enough in taxes. Asking the top earners to pay what they did under Clinton and less than under most R presidents would be terrible.
The top one 1% now owns a mere 43% of the nation’s financial wealth. We need the poor to pull their weight and the middle to quit complaining about our stagnant incomes, rising costs and decreasing piece of the pie so the embattled top 1% (mainly a small fraction of that top 1%) can have more. We need to keep bailing them out when they gamble with our economy and life savings and lose. And we need to stop bothering them about creating jobs. No means no and they’ve been saying it for decades. Their ought to be some sort of national orientation or something.
Independent Voice, are you kidding, or just ignorant of Cain’s tax proposal?
9% income tax, 9% corporate tax and 9% national sales tax (on top of existing state and local sales taxes).
Guess what that means?
Even most Tea Partyers can add those numbers up and realize it’s a tax increase for them and 50% tax cut for billionaires.
Tonight, Cain is in the central podium position and will be caught in a withering crossfire from his opponents. His time in the spotlight will be brief, but the fireworks should be spectacular tonight!
Even mathematicians only ever call their results “theorems.” If they were true they’d be called “factems.”
Cain’s plan lowers taxes on the wealthy, doesn’t increase taxes on the poor, and keeps government revenue the same! It’s perfect! You may have “your math” which doesn’t give that result, but I have “the math” which shows any possible difference (of which there isn’t any) is made up by increased productivity.
Plus rich people will be happy to pay this tax as opposed to all the ones they dodge, since you know hahahahaha sorry I just can’t do this anymore.
It’s what bookkeepers and statisticians practice. The answer to the question “What is 2 + 2?” is always the same — “What do you want it to be?”
Who needs Calculus anyway?
all it takes is 2,500 straw poll voters in FL and GOP has a new contender which is a sad sad statement on the depth of your bench
How about a few recent Cain gems:
Cain dug in deeper when interviewed by the Orlando Sun Sentinel:
Cain later showed his grasp of basic tenets in the Constitution on Glen Beck’s radio show:
Herminator not too intelligent when it comes to our Constitution … yeah, the document that he’ll be sworn to uphold.
couldn’t find it on comcast listings
I found a list of the debates, sponsors and telecasters at this site.
Bloomberg Channel … wasn’t listed the same as prior debates in the listing, but if you can find the channel, it’ll be there.
Rats. I need to upgrade my crap cable. I’d like to have seen this one. He’s so good and does his homework.
http://politisite.com/2011/10/…
if Christie had announced. Balance and distribution, you know.
with these flavor of the month candidates whose platforms are so paper thin and whose ideas are so batshit crazy they tend to burn out rather quickly under any scrutiny whatsoever.
Palin (potentially), Bachman, Perry, now Cain. Someone page the Doctor. He’s up next.
with Mark and AGOP
I believe Hermain Cain is a serious contender for the presidency.
I think the “title” of President would prove too much of a shackle to Cain’s maverick personality.
its time to put aside that old canard about how if both sides attack you must be doing something right. I think it’s more likely that both conservatives and progressives are attacking Cain’s 9-9-9 plan because, any way you look at it, it’s a really stupid, vapid plan.
That could easily be the main topic tonight – throwing all the candidates plans for the evening into disarray.
If it does go that way then advantage Romney and Huntsman because people want intelligent Presidents when the subject turns to something this serious.
David, David … always living in a better world than the one we have!
All candidates will say we should nuke Iran. Applause.
I mean, I know they’re popular in Greece (see where that got them) and in England – but I never heard of Iran liking them.
and they are doing just fine so your point is moot.
So there. Wait, what was your point?
That really was pretty perfect. 🙂
terrorist plan successfully foiled on Obama’s watch at all. A successful plot would have suited their political needs much better. They’d rather everyone forget all about the credit he got for Bin Laden instead of being reminded with new anti-terror successes. It’s getting harder all the time to paint Obama as a weakling terrorist appeaser and that’s one of their favorite things to do to Dems. Maybe even more than painting them as mean class warriors out to get the rich, French Revolution style. Everybody run!
Bachmann on Herman Cain’s 999 plan: “When you turn it upside down … well, let’s just say the devil’s in the details.”
And every time she opens her mouth, she’s saying “I’m a federal tax attorney, that’s what I do for a living, and we can’t keep giving the federal government more money….”
Kill. Me. Now.
and you don’t want to mess with that. Michele is right to call out Cain on that, it’s serious business.
Fastest on the draw with an Antichrist accusation in a GOP primary!
…are we really going to have to deal with end times references in every fucking presidential election from now on?
we can debate the whole thing, but it wont really matter.
or some other place that isn’t here.
so when blogs (or in this case a political debate) feature considerable participation with religious fundamentalist does the antichrist parallel Hilter/Nazis?
preachers refer to Hilter as “a kind of antichrist” or “a forerunner of the final antichrist” . . .
But, Since we’re talking religious crazies here I wouldn’t term it “Godwin’s Law,” way too secular — but, maybe “Godwin’s Proverb,” “Godwin’s Beatitude,” or possibly “Godwin’s Revelation”?
it’s my understanding that 666 is connected with the Devil, Satan, and that Satan and Antichrist are not the same. Seems to me the title “Antichrist” is already taken in Bachmann circles by Obama. I hope some nice Gentile will correct me on this if I’m wrong. Cain (the Devil) and Obama (the Antichrist) do have something in common, though. Even when they were accusing good ol’ white boy Bill Clinton of rape and murder I don’t recall anyone comparing him to Satan, the Antichrist or Hitler. Just sayin’.
and given out as personal branding by the Antichrist?
the number 666 is the mark of The Beast. There are two separate beasts described in Revelation–one from the earth and one from the sea.
The Beast is part of a trifecta–the Anti-Christ (who will pretend to be Christ and attempt to deceive loads of innocents right before the end times) and The False Prophet. The Beast is Satan pretending to be God. Oh, and there is a Dragon in there somewhere, too.
I just finished chopping up enough Jalapenos to fill two dehydrator trays.
There used to be something at Vitamin Cottage, er, “Natural Grocers,” called “Dragon Jerky” that was DELICIOUS. Of course, I think it was actually pork, so I couldn’t eat it anymore anyway, but if it was real dragon, well, dragons have scales and swim, right? Kosher!
Instant asthma attack.
Had no idea jalepeno juice + hot water had that effect.
I once bear sprayed myself. That sounds similar.
(Exactly as stupid as it sounds. Does this work? Spritz, spritz, not working, stare at nozzle, spritz…)
Capsaicin. Only bear spray is more concentrated.
Been there, done that, own the t-shirt.
I’ve read on this blog in days. I’ve learned so much, perhaps more than I wanted to…
of low expectations.
it’s the unholy trinity–the upside down version of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
No wonder I’m an atheist.
So I guess they could split the duties; maybe Cain being Satan since Antichrist is already taken by the other black guy. Still room for a dragon. Maybe their favorite Dragon Lady, Nancy Pelosi? Or if sticking to beasts, Obama dog, Bo? Or if sticking to blacks, alternate Dragon Lady, Maxine Waters?
Remember the Hillary nutcrackers? I’m gonna say they’re scaredy-est of her.
on the right, though. They love to remind Dems that we could have had HRC instead of the wild radical, foreign, white hating, Muslim, terrorist lover, cleverly disguised as a centrist, that we wound up with. And it’s a hell of a disguise. The guy hasn’t done anything not vanilla centristy yet. What’s he waiting for?
Hardcore, evangelical religious parents–Bible study every Wednesday, Sunday school and church every Sunday and Sunday night services. By the time I was old enough to move out, I had read the Bible start to finish several times over and was thoroughly convinced it was a marvelous work of fiction.
I have no problem with anybody or what anybody believes. That’s just where I personally ended up especially after growing up with the threat of the rapture (or not making the cut), the Apocalypse, and the unholy trinity and their soon to be announced guest appearance hovering on the horizon.
In Hebrew school and services and sermons at synagogue, I can’t recall ever being told that I needed to worry about going to hell. Not much mention of after life either way. It was boring and I resented having to go to Hebrew school a couple days a week after regular school and not being able to sleep much later than on a school day on Saturday and Shabbat services go droning on forever but it wasn’t ever even a little scary.
“Is there an afterlife, Mom?”
“I guess you’ll find out eventually, but I wouldn’t worry about it if I were you.”
Complete lack of angst, no religious services, no Sunday school or Hebrew school, and I still got all the lox and latkes 😉
…Really though, I kind of wish I had been brought up in a religious community. Then I wouldn’t have been such a jerkface of an atheist for so many years. (Nothing wrong with atheism, I just was a jerk about it.)
until they start telling me they’re going to make laws with the aim of making everyday life comply with what they think their god wants everyone. It’s funny how doctrines like free will go out the window when people use it to make choices they don’t like.
anyone who believes or claims to believe that God wants him or her to be fill-in-the-blank and therefore God opposes the person’s opponent, painting all who support the opponent as anti-God or at least as going against God’s wishes, is inherently unfit for the office or position in question. The person making such claims is either delusional, mistaking his or her own self interested inner voice for the voice of God, or is a cynical manipulator using false piety as a political weapon.
It really comes down to this: What do the majority of Republicans want — a crazy who will say anything to get a round of applause, or someone who actually has some brains and knows a little about domestic and international affairs. The jury’s still out on that question.
this Republican primary crowd of caring about brains or international affairs . . . simply nowhere near enough evidence to make that case.
You can tell someone worked on that line for hours. I’m rooting for Bachmann since she’s a woman and thus never going to win a single vote from an actual Republican primary voter. For similar reasons I’m supporting Cain.
We should weigh Herman Cain to see if he weighs the same as a duck.
Yes, I told you so.
From the guy who literally begged Perry to run and introduced him at his declaration, Erick Erickson:
Herb Cain’s emerging prominence in the GOP race for the nomination for President despite a woeful record on civil rights should raise red flags for anyone considering voting for him. He admits he did not participate in the civil rights movement, saying he was following the ethical patterns set by his parents not to rock the boat. But he is not above playing the race card in the same manner that Clarence Thomas did during his confirmation hearings for the Supreme Court. When it suited his purpose, Clarence Thomas called his confirmation process “a high-tech lynching,” while Republicans in charge of the Senate at that time quickly dismissed the idea of calling any further witnesses other than Anita Hill who could and would openly charge Thomas with pervasive patterns of sexual harassment. Now that the truth has fully emerged about Thomas’s character flaws that would roundly disqualify him to be a Supreme Court Justice (he has never asked a question in open court and expects others to do the job for him; he also has a well document penchant for pornography), he should suffer the consequences of hearings to determine his suitability to stay on the Court.
Herb Cain is merely a conservative who like Clarence Thomas who plays the race card when it serves his purpose. He thinks the poor are poor because they have no ambition. Anyone who believes that the poor “should blame themselves” does not have a clue about the lack of opportunity most Americans are facing today. He is a man who climbed up the corporate ladder on the backs of the working poor. Where there is money, there is usually a crime, and Herb Cain is no exception to this rule. He has no business being President of the United States with such radical ideas as the 9-9-9 plan. This plan would raise taxes for the middle class and the poor while giving the wealthiest Americans a big tax break. So, nothing new there: Republicans plan to make the middle class bear the burden of taxes and increase the divide between the rich and the poor. A 9% federal sales tax would hurt poorer individuals more because they have less total income than the rich to bear the burden of such a purchase tax.
Why do Republicans insist that they have a better plan to return the country to prosperity? They are only about serving the rich. The sooner voters understand this, the sooner they will realize that we need to re-elect the President and save our nation from further financial collapse.
I thought his name was Herman.