THURSDAY UPDATE: Rep. Lauren Boebert, once again trying not to be outdone:
Biden has deployed his Needle Nazis to Mesa County.
The people of my district are more than smart enough to make their own decisions about the experimental vaccine and don’t need coercion by federal agents.
Did I wake up in Communist China? pic.twitter.com/gKXzogwM2C
— Lauren Boebert (@laurenboebert) July 8, 2021
“Needle Nazis.” And with that, Boebert’s back in the race!
To the bottom.
Two Tweets exactly six minutes apart show the eerie like-mindedness of what we’ve taken to calling the “Q-Some Twosome,” Reps. Lauren Boebert of Colorado and Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, who have either mind-melded into a single entity or are reading from the same set of tragically unhelpful talking points in increasingly outright opposition to holdouts getting vaccinated against COVID-19:
The government now wants to go door-to-door to convince you to get an “optional” vaccine.
— Lauren Boebert (@laurenboebert) July 6, 2021
Six minutes later:
Biden pushing a vaccine that is NOT FDA approved shows covid is a political tool used to control people.
People have a choice, they don’t need your medical brown shirts showing up at their door ordering vaccinations.
You can’t force people to be part of the human experiment. https://t.co/S8qlstuSqL
— Marjorie Taylor Greene 🇺🇸 (@mtgreenee) July 6, 2021
Once again, MTG takes it to the next level by invoking actual “brown shirts” (for the kids, that means Nazis) going door to door instead of just, you know, “the government.” We’ve said it before: every time Boebert jumps out in front of the crazy train, MTG or another more press-savvy member of the hard-right “America First” freakshow is ready to go with an outrage that makes whatever Boebert said look tame by comparison. Perhaps realizing this, Boebert fired off another scrappy one-liner this morning to get back into contention:
COVID-19 mutated into Communism a long time ago.
— Lauren Boebert (@laurenboebert) July 7, 2021
It’s a race to the bottom, folks, but from what we’ve seen in these first six months of Boebert in Congress, she just doesn’t have the charisma to keep up with her more bombastic peers competing for the far right end of the spotlight. This is significant with respect to 2022 since in most cases, under the current maps MTG and the other “America Firsters” reside in much less competitive districts than Colorado’s CD-3 where Boebert won by about six points. Boebert constantly playing second fiddle while her putative allies like MTG rake in the attention and campaign cash is an increasingly serious problem for her, and her margin of safety is much smaller.
Perhaps Boebert and MTG can talk this over on MTG’s next trip to the Holocaust Museum.
What's astounding to me is how incoherent her little barbs are (even for a high school dropout). She clearly thinks she's very clever, but one has to be really steeped in the Fox News Cinematic Universe to even loosely decipher what point she's trying to make.
Dumb and dumber…… Add Louie Gohmert and they could have a threesome.
…and at this point, nausea sets in.
Anecdotally, I'm hearing that some people, who don't seem to have gone completely off the edge of the flat world, are hesitating to get vaccinated because of lack of full FDA approval and probably the related mass messaging about that. This story from Healthline suggests full approval might happen in early 2022 or sooner, which unfortunately doesn't mean MTG won't find some other way to propagandize if it's approved. Meanwhile, maybe this quote from Dr. Eric J. Topol might help those who think lack of FDA approval means all these highly educated scientists and researchers just made stuff up willy-nilly-milli-vanilli to see what might work:
Let's, for the sake of argument, suppose that there are some side effects. Last I saw, the infection fatality rate from Covid was 1%. That's gotta be one hell of a side effect to make vaccination worse than Covid's 1% chance of death.
And of course it's not just death, though we probably agree death is bad. It's also chances of intubation, hospitalization, long-hauler impacts, threat of infecting family or co-workers, wearing out health care workers, and big medical bills.
Weren't there something like 28 people out of 8,700,000 people who received the J&J vaccine who developed blood clots as of 5/12/21? Sounds like a very remote risk to me.
Math is hard for some of the MAGA folk – and if you try to explain it to them, they think you are pulling a fast one of them.
In the interest of full disclosure, I got the J&J vaccine back in March. To date no blood clots nor do I attract metallic objects when I walk by them as some have claimed can occur. Oh, yeah, and I haven't contracted COVID-19……at least not yet.
Vaccines work but you can't fix stupid.
No, it's not. That may be the rate for seniors. The rate for people under 50 is far less: hundredths to thousandths of a percent. Esp. If they are healthy.
Using a single rate to generalize about the entire population in this case is not useful. And quite frankly, the blurring of risks between seniors/preexisting conditions and healthy young people is one reason these is so much distrust. A lot of official credibility was destroyed trying to convince people that the disease was a greater risk to them personally than it really was.
As the New York Times itself said (while also calling for schools to reopen): young people are at greater risk driving in a car to get the vaccine than they are of Covid. I know this nation can't handle nuance, but if we want to be driven by facts, we need to start with ourselves.
The risk of the virus is still immensely greater than the risk of the vaccine. 600,000 dead in the US from the virus. thousands likely saved from that fate by the vaccine. This is not a minor virus. Yes, most people will survive. But millions have not. And the long-term effects of the disease are not yet know. As for the car-driving comment, that's why we have seat belts, airbags, safety standards, etc. Trying to mitigate risk of harm. Like a vaccine.
Again, trying to imply that the mortality risk on a hockey-stick curve is the same for a healthy 20 year old as it is for a compromised 70 year old is dishonest and it undermines the message in the long run. Throwing around big (disingenuous) numbers does not help the cause of vaccine uptake.
The honest argument is that vaccination among younger people is less for themselves than for the benefit of others. But few proponents seem willing to try that honest argument; at least not without throwing in some scary (but misleading) numbers.
Rapidly approaching the counting of angels dancing on the head of a pin territory, here, . . .
But, . . .
Since no vaccination is ever a locked down guarantee against later individual infection, aren’t all vaccinations against transmittable infections, but particularly against this virus, regardless of who receives them much more for the benefit of others and not just oneself?
Also, too, aren’t those big (disingenuous??? . . . huh??? . . . because they’re understated, maybe?) numbers being tossed about, perhaps useful and necessary to assist in informing the importance of that messaging to folks (younger folks, in particular) that getting vaccinated is for those very important needed benefits to others?
Further, like chicken pox and shingles, since we can’t yet know any or all of the long-term future and residual effects of Covid infection on persons, wouldn’t it be a damn good idea to get vaccinated for yourself, in your youth, just because, well, you know, life happens?
Indeed, nuance is difficult . . .
Well, it's not clear what chicken pox has to do with this.
My point remains that young healthy people are not getting scared or shamed when you throw statistics about unhealthy seniors at them – which are inaccurate by several orders of magnitude. But hey, keep trying to same thing over and over if you need to.
A lot of bravado, with little understanding of virology and immunology it seems
I guess you mean, “it’s not clear” to you, right? . . .
And, those “numbers” you disdain don’t seem to me to be intended to scare or shame anyone, but instead they are data that should help inform decisions and actions . . .
You have veered off track and meandered into another dimension.
A simple “Yes, I do mean that ‘it’s not clear’ to me” would suffice . . .
. . . that or, maybe, “I’m choosing not to even try to understand”?
From the link you didn’t read . . .
The point you’re likely purposely ignoring (such big fun, huh?) is that sometimes a viral infection contracted in youth can re-emerge later in life (as in the generally well-known example case of, well, you know), and we can’t yet know whether Covid might act similarly in some portion of an infected population — so, if for no other reason, maybe, it’s better to get vaccinated now, substantially reduce one’s risk of contracting the virus, and be safe rather than sorry 30 or 40 or 50 years from now?
Anyway, OK, you have issues and concerns about particular messaging. I’ll bite, let’s try this, what messaging would you like to see, and how would that be better or more effective in producing results? What data, if any, would you use to help support your preferred messaging?
We in this dimension all anxiously await your learned guidance and advice . . . (including any of your answers to those other dodged questions originally posed).
You are right that there are different levels of consequence for COVID infection. CDC has a comparison that uses the 18-29 year olds as a reference group and then looks at potential consequences by age: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html
Even for the next group up in age, the 30-39 cohort, there is a 2x chance of hospitalization and a 4x chance of death.
Most of us can remember ourselves at 18-29, when we were going to live forever. Even 30-39, when life insurance and wills cross people's minds, most still don't think the risks apply to them.
However, just like masks, the vaccines work to make a difference to make a difference to individuals AND the community around them. Derek Thompson at The Atlantic put it this way:
I just looked at another CDC chart and found more than 2,400 people in U.S. 18-29 have died of COVID, and counting, so perhaps it will eventually equal one 9/11 or thereabouts. Obviously raw numbers and percentages go up with age. But I'll stick with my earlier comment that it's not just about death, it's also a bunch of other factors including unknowns around long-hauling. And to Dio, I had shingles decades after having chicken pox!
2,400 deaths. There are something like 45 million people in that age cohort. Many of them can actually do math.
Fine. I’ll echo Dio’s request here: What message do you think will resonate best with 18-30 ish folk to urge them to get vaccinated?
I think that music vids on youtube and Tik tok are their preferred medium- the message should reflect the demographic’s primary motivation: getting laid.
So vax that thang up”. “ If you wanna smash with Scott, you better get the shot”.
Randy Rainbow did a queer version with the same message in “ Mr. Biden, bring my vaccine”.
The info that the vaccine is free and widely available is also not getting out there to the 12-18 set- Schools are still reluctant to be pushing the vax to teens until it passes the “emergency authorization” stage. I personally got into trouble as a substitute simply writing the vaccines.gov link on the board for their information.
This fall, I predict rebellion against any mask mandate in high schools, as long as the under-12 set is exempt from it, and most businesses allow unmasked customers.
And since schools tend to reflect community spread, public schools in areas with high Covid variant rates, like Mesa County, will be spreading the virus freely. OK, losing health and life ( themselves and loved ones) is the price they’ll willingly pay for Trump loyalty and vaccine denialism.
Eventually, we’ll get to covid vaccines being required to attend public schools, ( like all other required immunizations) when vaccines are available for all students.
It’s these in-between transition times that are hard to navigate.
How can you be a Nazi and a Communist at the same time?
Weren't they at each others' throats in Germany the 1930s?
And at war in the 1940s.
But hey, that doesn't compute with those two pea brains.
William Shirer's "Inside the Third Reich" notes that Nazi and Commie street thugs often recruited from each other. They shared a hatred of democracy. And don't forget the Hitler-Stalin Pact.
Nazis and Communists WERE rivals in Germany of the post-war period leading up to the Germany / Soviet Union non-aggression pact of 1939. Then they were "frenemies" and Nazis tended to diminish their persecution of believers in the communist ideology — those believers weren't the threat they once had been.
Boebert is trying to link to show government providing services is actually ideological coercion. Coherence isn't needed.
Six minutes apart on the 6th! This isn’t just a coincidence, is it #PewPew?
6 minutes apart on the 6th. And 6 months after the 1/6 terrorist attack on the US capital. 666?
Definitely not a coincidence.
They're clearly getting their tweeting points from somebody. One wonders who.
I’d lay odds Stephen Miller stops hanging upside down while eating bugs each night just long enough to provide these fine patriots with some crack, libural-owning’ advice for the next days twitstorm.
Might be the social media guru JASON Miller — he probably isn't TOO busy with GETTR.
Steve Bannon is still generating conspiracies and misinformation daily.
The whole “critical race theory” scam ( the scam is the scaring gullible white folks part, not the theory itself) was probably his idea. He thinks it’s the key to taking back the House.
Bannon’s an unhealthy-looking 67 year old dude- I bet he’s secretly vaccinated- but happy to push anti-vax crap for fun and profit.
And, it's also no coincidence that today is Wednesday, or something????
So, “like(no)mindedness” = “emptyheadedness” ??? . . .
Let’s say these two fools are somehow now sharing the same gray matter — there still isn’t enough there there, regardless of how little it’s ever used, to locate the government cheese in a maze.
There are so many foul Republican congress-critters to chose from. Let's not forget this bunch,
"The “Dirty Dozen” or the “Sedition Caucus,” as the senators who declared their plan to challenge the electoral college votes have been tagged on social media, has been attempting an anti-democratic putsch. Remember the names of the Republican senators who seek to violate the results of an election and install their preferred candidate: Ted Cruz of Texas, Josh Hawley of Missouri, Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, James Lankford of Oklahoma, Cynthia M. Lummis of Wyoming, Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, Steve Daines of Montana, John Neely Kennedy of Louisiana, Bill Hagerty of Tennessee, Mike Braun of Indiana and Roger Marshall of Kansas. It may become a baker’s dozen with Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-Ga.) telling Fox News on Sunday, “I’ve said from the start, everything is on the table here, and I’m seriously looking at that.”
So many assholes, so little time.
John Neely Kennedy may be my favorite. Even the name screams preppie.
This guy attended Vanderbilt, Univ. of Va. Law School and Magdalena College (which is part of Oxford University), was a tort lawyer and a Democrat who supported John Kerry over G.W. Bush.
Yet he tries to present himself as a member of the cast of Hee-Haw with his faux hillbilly schtick.
Re: the newest tweet from our favorite server of experimental pork sliders – mRNA vaccine research goes back decades, and some of what informed the modern COVID vaccines goes back to the 2003 SARS outbreak. I don't expect the grotesquely irresponsible hunny boo-boo to read actual science, but here's an easily readable primer on mRNA vaccine research.