Why brag now?

Maybe this is my naivity showing through, but I just don’t get it.

I spent all day monday calling people and doing my part to support the candidates that I believe in. (For the record, this included a D county coroner, an R state senate candidate, and two D state house candidates).

But it seems that many people who claim to care a lot about races like the us senate and governor spent their day here on CPols running victory laps and counting their figurative chickens. And my question is why?

From where I sit, there is no advantage to coming in here and claiming certain victory for your candidate.

For one thing, most people who read sites like this made up their minds months ago and have already voted, so you aren’t convincing anyone or influencing the outcome by doing. But even if that weren’t true. It seems to me that the result of claiming victory before election day would be that your own supporters would be less likely to vote than if you constantly pushed the “it’s so close that your vote could make the difference” message.

Second, it can’t possibly help you personally. If you are right, then you have cursed yourself to irrelivancy by claiming that it was all already over before you commented. And if you are wrong, you show yourself as ignorant and foolish. So isn’t your time better spent actually working for the victory instead of claiming to have already won it?

Finally, these types of claims expose you as someone who is more interested in the success of their own opinions than the promotion of accuracy and truth. The fact is that no one knows where things will end up tomorrow. Companies like PPP can make educated guesses based on the opinion of the first few hundred people who are willing to answer them, but at their best, they are still just guessing. To accept their reports as certainity is like taking the weather man’s word on tomorrow’s weather. Yeah, he’s right a lot, but not always.

So with those things in mind, please tell me. What is your motivation or reasoning behind the premature victory postings?

Why did you claim victory before the election was over?

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    • IndyNinja says:

      You have written and posted 34 comments and a diary over the last 24 hours on this site alone.

      Of those comments, 18 were posted during times when you could have been making calls. But even after 9pm when the other 16 comments and the diary were posted, claiming victory before any results have been posted is premature.

      You have been one of most frequent posters of the type of victory posts that I am talking about. So answer my question. Why? What do you get out of it?

      • bjwilson83 says:

        Originally, it kept Dems focused on me instead of campaigning. Sort of taking it to your opponents turf – “fight them over there instead of at home”. The left was allowed to grow unchecked in the last several election cycles because conservatives clumped together in hiding instead of taking their arguments to the other side and engaging in debate. It was an educational mission to squash the dangerously insane ideas of the left. Then Pols actually gained in popularity and began to be picked up by traditional media, in which case it became a great soapbox from which to get my arguments across to the larger public. Just throw up a controversial diary, it gets tons of comments (because people love to hate me), and voila everybody’s talking about it. And finally, yes it is satisfying to gloat. No, the election is not over for another 17 hours, but 2/3 of the vote is already in and all the work is done except making a few phone calls – all the arguments have been made.

        • IndyNinja says:

          While that may be the answer to someone’s question, it is not the answer to MY question.

          I’ll try simpler words.

          Why, on November 1st 2010, are you publicaly declaring victory, even though no results have yet been announced? What does that specific act gain for you?

          • ClubTwitty says:

            Believe he makes ‘arguments’ that ‘squash’ opposing ideas.  Let him be.  He’ll learn soon enough that it’s mommy leaving the quarters under his pillow.  

          • bjwilson83 says:

            Just the sheer unadulterated glee of declaring victory and then being proven right.

            • IndyNinja says:

              How’s that working out for you this morning.

              You and HMan and No2Dems posted nearly a hundred posts between you claiming that Buck was a done deal, already won.

              But now that the dust has settled, it is clear that you were, in no uncertain terms, completely wrong.

              So I’ll ask one more time, why did you feel the need to claim victory before you had any reasonable evidence of it?

              And now that you have been proven wrong (not that you needed to be), do you regret the dozens of posts that now, in retrospect, make you look completely foolish and ignorant? (Again, not that you didn’t before)

              • BSWilson83.83 says:

                than a freshly salted wound.

                what arr the odds that you get a response from the intended?

                • Aristotle says:

                  and did not post one single comment while he was.

                  I have to admit that I enjoyed that. It won’t last, but beej has shut up for once.

                  • BSWilson83.83 says:

                    I can only imagine the internal debate that is occurring between his natural inclination to spew twaddle, and the realization of what he was in for once he does.

                    Oh the stress . . .

                    • Aristotle says:

                      Stalin was just so certain of his own genius that he had a nervous breakdown when his own ineptitude (in the form of 15 or 20 German divisions crossing the frontier) smacked him in the face that he wasn’t heard from for nearly a day. An underling named Molotov had to announce the news on the radio, and it took Stalin hours just to give the orders to actually fight back.

                      I imagine beej is in a similar state of shock. His bragging was delusional.

                    • Diogenesdemar says:

                      or this?

                    • Aristotle says:

                      of the image of Rick Santorum’s daughter after he lost his re-election bid a few years ago – the one where his whole family was there while he was conceding. I won’t post it since kids are off-limits, but beej undoubtedly was looking like that for a while.

        • Aristotle says:

          Watch your step.

        • BSWilson83.83 says:

          a complete fucking moron — and, I don’t mean that figuratively.

        • VanDammer says:

          like you really think your cellar-dwelling troll posting kept any, ANY Dems from voting?  You R fucked in the head boy!

  1. IndyNinja says:

    I think the purpose is to try to draw attention away from their candidate who is polling below 10% in the Governor’s races.

    H-Man, BJ, and No2Dems seem to be doing everything they can to keep the conversation on the major race they might win instead of the one they are almost certainly going to lose.  

    • JLD says:

      Wouldn’t you be doing the same thing if the show were on the other foot?

      • IndyNinja says:

        There are plenty of legitimate, important things that they could be directing attention to, if that was the way they were going.

        But as I mentioned in the OP, the people who read this site, especially those who read into the comments, have likely already voted. So where the attention is doesn’t really matter. In fact, if anything, they should be trying to direct attention AWAY from the contested race and towards the races that no longer matter to them.  

  2. PERA hopeful says:

    (I’m pretty sure that the candidates I prefer are gonna get a thumpin’ tonight.)  But you gave me the opportunity to publicly (and anonymously) declare myself an asshole, so I took it.

  3. Ralphie says:

    I think people are bragging now because at least half of them won’t be able to brag on November 3.

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