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“True courage is not the brutal force of vulgar heroes, but the firm resolve of virtue and reason.”

–Alfred North Whitehead

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  1. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    Ladies and gentleman, our #StableGenius: 

  2. kickshot says:

    First, President Trump decided not to confront Putin about supplying arms to the terrorist group (the Taliban). Second, during the very times in which U.S. military officials publicly raised concerns about the program’s threat to U.S. forces, Trump undercut them. He embraced Putin, overtly and repeatedly, including at the historic summit in Helsinki. Third, behind the scenes, Trump directed the CIA to share intelligence information on counterterrorism with the Kremlin despite no discernible reward

    Trump Pushed CIA to Give Intelligence to Kremlin, While Taking No Action Against Russia Arming Taliban

    Dump’s MO is to speed down the road in his getaway car and throw firebombs out the window in an attempt to throw off the pursuit.

    This story (about giving intel to his master, Putin) seems to have been obscured by the firebomb that is his push to reopen schools.

    • kwtreekwtree says:

      Nice metaphor, kickshot.  Here's another reason why $rump's pedal is to the metal:

      SCOTUS rules that New York prosecutor can see Trump's tax returns

      It's a mixed victory – Congress still can't see the Trump financial records they asked for. But at least the SCOTUS ruling establishes that the President is not above nor "immune from" the law.

      • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

        A 7-2 split on both rulings that denies the absolute claims of the *resident, but pushes the issues back into the courts for consideration of "normal" issues of response to subpoena (in Vance) or issues about what Congress is trying to do.  In both cases, the *resident and his attorneys will be able to drag out issues to the election and beyond. 

        In Nixon and Clinton cases, the Court was 9-0, and in Nixon, there was no opportunity for further court argument.  Tape recordings and other material in the subpoena were to be handed over.

         

         

  3. lilyflower says:

    There is a new ad called "Creepy" that turns Kellyanne Conway's comments against Trump. It is great.

  4. Genghis says:

    Welp, we won't be seeing any Trump tax returns or other financial info before the election.

    • MADCO says:

      We don't need to see them to know what they are :
       

      the greatest tax return ever, the best and complicated, very, very complicated, witht he best numbers

      Only dumb people pay taxes

      he ain't all that

       

      I take solace that a grand jury will see them, and while documents cannot be released, nothing binds grand jurors from speaking.

      The questions are fraud, fraud and fraud. The answers are of course, yes and Deutsche Bank.

      • Genghis says:

        I take solace that a grand jury will see them

        Actually, that has yet to be determined.

        • MADCO says:

          Not according to Cyrus Vance

          • Genghis says:

            Cy should read the opinions.

            Majority:

            The arguments presented here and in the Court of Appeals were limited to absolute immunity and heightened need. The Court of Appeals, however, has directed that thecase be returned to the District Court, where the President may raise further arguments as appropriate.

            We affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeals and remand the case for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.

            Rapey alcoholic manbaby, joined by Gorsuch, concurring:

            I agree that the case should be remanded to the District Court for further proceedings, where the President may raise constitutional and legal objections to the state grand jury subpoena as appropriate.

            • MADCO says:

              I am sure DA Vance has his own idea.

              https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/us/trump-taxes-supreme-court.html

               

              "Supreme Court Rules Trump Cannot Block Release of Financial Records

              Two rulings clear the way for prosecutors in New York to see President Trump’s financial records …"

              '“No citizen, not even the president, is categorically above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding,' Chief Justice John G. Roberts wrote for the majority. "

              "The court ruled in two cases, 7 to 2, that President Trump can for now block the release of his financial records to Congress but that prosecutors in New York may see them. "

              • Genghis says:

                "The court ruled in two cases, 7 to 2, that President Trump can for now block the release of his financial records to Congress …"

                That's correct.

                ". . . but that prosecutors in New York may see them."

                That is laughably incorrect. As usual, the legal reporting of the liberal mainstream media (lol no such thing) is abysmally bad.

                Rather than relying on the Vichy Times, you should check out the analysis of someone who actually knows how to read Supreme Court opinions.

                • MADCO says:

                  I'll quote DA Vance or the judge directly as soon as we have it, TImes or Examiner or whatever source you please.

                  THe GJ will have what they want- or a settlement will be proffered

                  • Genghis says:

                    lol

                    "As soon as we have it"? So when you wrote upthread that Mr. Vance already said the Supreme Court gave him access to the subpoenaed records  you were … what, making it up from whole cloth?

                    Keep fuckin' that chicken, chief.

    • RepealAndReplace says:

      I'm not sure there is anything in the tax returns that would sway a single voter.

      People who like him will vote for him no matter what. And those of us who do not, are going to vote for Biden or a third party candidate no matter what.

      If the pussy grabbing, the Russian kompromat, and the children in cages haven't changed anyone's votes, nothing will.

  5. JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

    I've yet to see a Republican school board member, state Education commissioner, or legislator on ANY Education committee (state OR federal) respond to Trump and de Vos saying schools have to open. 

    Am I missing something?  Or have the Republicans now officially abandoned their insistence that the Federal government was overreaching with its unfunded mandates?

  6. MADCO says:

    Now that Oklahoma is rightfully recognized as having stolen the land , can they give up 3 electoral votes?

    • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

      ^^^this^^^

    • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

      "Today we are asked whether the land these treaties promised remains an Indian reservation for purposes of federal criminal law," said Gorsuch, who was appointed by President Donald Trump. "Because Congress has not said otherwise, we hold the government to its word," he said.

      Under the law, crimes involving Native Americans on a reservation are under federal, not state, jurisdiction.

      I'm wondering if the citizens of Tulsa will welcome their new and as yet unargued status in the Seminole Nation.

      • MADCO says:

        Water rights – and downstream agreements
        Surface rights – esp w/r to zoning

        Mineral rights

        O&G

        jurisidiciton to levy property taxes (I don’t think the Creek Nation gets to evict Koch industries, but…)

        • Conserv. Head Banger says:

          Justice Gorsuch again votes to uphold Native American rights, in a 5-4 decision.

          • kwtreekwtree says:

            Let’s hear it for a real “rule of law” Republican.

            • NOV GOP meltdown says:

              Hell yes. Justice Gorsuch is one of those.  Did some reading on his background today and found he always loved to debate with people as far back as undergraduate school, and to disagree, but was always super respectful of everyone he debated or disagreed with.  A lot of people who signed a petition in favor of his nomination were liberals and democrats like us and counted him as a friend, so that says something about him too. Good man.

              • notaskinnycooknotaskinnycook says:

                So who pushed him up to Yammie-pie? "Good man", definitely not his kinda guy.

                • VoyageurVoyageur says:

                  "Good man" or "loose cannon?"  The latter is probably the best we can hope for.

                • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

                  Gorsuch was on the Federalist list.  Gorsuch apparently is a nice person, got along well with neighbors in Boulder, believes in “textualism” to guide his judicial decisions and opinions.  His approach often allows corporations to do things which seem damaging to me.  But he does have a high regard for the language of treaties and narrow view of what laws allow governments to do.

                • Genghis says:

                  The Federalist Society pushed hard for him. We'll see what Gorsuch is really about when the 14th Amendment substantive due process cases start rolling in. Originalism … it's a hoot.

                  Here's hoping he turns out to be a surprise individual rights stalwart a la Earl Warren. Not likely, but possible. Life tenure has a favorable effect on some folks.

  7. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    #WINNING

    NYC closes down stretch of Fifth Avenue at Trump Tower to paint Black Lives Matter mural

    When the Black Lives Matter mural was announced, the president called it a "symbol of hate."

    New York City on Thursday shut down the stretch of Fifth Avenue where Trump Tower stands to begin painting a Black Lives Matter mural.

    The proposed mural, between 56th and 57th streets, was called a "symbol of hate" by President Donald Trump, who said it would be "denigrating" Fifth Avenue, known for expensive apartments and luxury shopping.

  8. Diogenesdemar says:

    Read this, . . . 
     

    Tammy Duckworth: Tucker Carlson Doesn’t Know What Patriotism Is (Neither does President Trump)

    But what I actually said isn’t the reason Mr. Carlson and Mr. Trump are questioning my patriotism, nor is it why they’re using the same racist insults against me that have been slung my way time and again in years past, though they have never worked on me.

    They’re doing it because they’re desperate for America’s attention to be on anything other than Donald Trump’s failure to lead our nation, and because they think that Mr. Trump’s electoral prospects will be better if they can turn us against one another. Their goal isn’t to make — or keep — America great. It’s to keep Mr. Trump in power, whatever the cost.

    It’s better for Mr. Trump to have you focused on whether an Asian-American woman is sufficiently American than to have you mourning the 130,000 Americans killed by a virus he claimed would disappear in February. It’s better for his campaign to distract Americans with whether a combat veteran is sufficiently patriotic than for people to recall that this failed commander in chief has still apparently done nothing about reports of Russia putting bounties on the heads of American troops in Afghanistan

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/opinion/tammy-duckworth-tucker-carlson.html

    . . . and then please forward a copy to any Joe you know currently searching for a running mate.

    • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

      He might need a warrior standing beside him before this is over. She is everything cowards like Carlson, T***p, and his whole Whitest House full of racist aristocrats will never be.

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