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June 19, 2020 10:44 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

  • 55 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“It is normal to give away a little of one’s life in order not to lose it all.”

–Albert Camus

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55 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

  1. It’s never too early to underscore the central fact of the American political system in the 21st Century:

    Trump stinks!

    Great God Almighty,

    Trump stinks!

    Stay upwind, America.

  2. One of the Louisville, KY cops who murdered Breonna Taylor will actually suffer a consequence. Of course, the consequence at issue is merely being fired, which means he'll have to murder black people as a private citizen in the future.

      1.  The recently-signed SB20-217 seems to be very, very strong on that point:

        24-31-904. Revoke peace officer certification after conviction. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY PROVISION OF LAW, IF ANY PEACE OFFICER IS CONVICTED OF OR PLEADS GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO A CRIME INVOLVING THE UNLAWFUL USE OR THREATENED USE OF PHYSICAL FORCE, A CRIME INVOLVING THE FAILURE TO INTERVENE IN THE USE OF UNLAWFUL FORCE, OR IS FOUND CIVILLY LIABLE FOR THE USE OF UNLAWFUL PHYSICAL FORCE, OR IS FOUND CIVILLY LIABLE FOR FAILURE TO INTERVENE IN THE USE OF UNLAWFUL FORCE, THE P.O.S.T. BOARD SHALL PERMANENTLY REVOKE THE PEACE OFFICER'S CERTIFICATION. THE P.O.S.T. BOARD SHALL NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, REINSTATE THE PEACE OFFICER'S CERTIFICATION OR GRANT NEW CERTIFICATION TO THE PEACE OFFICER UNLESS THE PEACE OFFICER IS EXONERATED BY A COURT. THE P.O.S.T. BOARD SHALL RECORD EACH DECERTIFIED PEACE OFFICER IN THE DATABASE CREATED PURSUANT TO SECTION 24-31-303 (1)(r).

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        (f) IN ADDITION TO ANY CRIMINAL LIABILITY AND PENALTY UNDER THE LAW, WHEN AN ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE HEARING OFFICER, OR INTERNAL INVESTIGATION FINDS THAT A PEACE OFFICER FAILED TO INTERVENE AS REQUIRED BY SUBSECTION (1.5)(a) OF THIS SECTION IN AN INCIDENT RESULTING IN SERIOUS BODILY INJURY OR DEATH TO ANY PERSON, THE PEACE OFFICER'S EMPLOYER SHALL SUBJECT THE PEACE OFFICER TO DISCIPLINE, UP TO AND INCLUDING TERMINATION, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE CONSTITUTIONAL AND STATUTORY PERSONNEL LAWS AND CASE LAW, AND THE P.O.S.T. BOARD SHALL PERMANENTLY DECERTIFY THE PEACE OFFICER UPON RECEIPT OF NOTICE OF THE PEACE OFFICER'S DISCIPLINE. THE REVOCATION MAY ONLY BE OVERTURNED IF THE PEACE OFFICER IS EXONERATED BY A COURT.

        I'm not fully knowledgeable on this but it seems that a PERMANENT DECERTIFICATION would be career-ending.

         

        1. That's Colorado, most districts and states in the US have variations of POST certification but if certification is lost in one state I don't know if a candidate can't pick it up in another state or district at a community college or in an academy.

          1. CO's policing reform is far more stringent than any other state's thus far. If all states imposed the same requirements for (de)certification we'd be there but that's not likely.

            So there is a need now for a comparable federal measure. That's in the works in the House. Maybe we'll see passage in 2021. 

  3. Will people who catch covid from someone who caught it at the rally be able to sue the Dumpster?

    Contact tracing and the genetic profile of the contagion should prove it.

    1. Perhaps EVERYONE who gets COVID after the Trumptastic rally should sue him, his campaign, etc. It might be reasonable to assume that the rally is like Adam and Eve in the coronavirus world. It's all in the math – exponential, that is.

        1. Just Darwin doing his job.

          1. Just a reminder why I left OK and have sworn to never go back.

            It's a fine place to be FROM but that's it.

            The collective IQ there rivals Dump's sense of morals/dignity/ethics/responsibility/community/patriotism/accountability/self-awareness (last measured at -273.15 deg Celsius).

              1. Thanks for providing that. I will forward to family still there but they are just too entrenched to save themselves, I blv.

                These are more sensible folk than the guy who's friend was a casualty of the virus. I hope that there are more than just two though there are just two okies posed on rvat.org so far.

                When I watched Nancy's video by itself I related to her impression of Okla as she saw it growing up and now wondering just WTF ever happened. I saw about the same though I was never an R.

                The cohort around me was made up of very smart people. I was friends in HS w/7 or 8 National Merit Finalists. One of my friends went on to be a shuttle astronaut. Apparently we all got out when the getting was good, at least I hope so.

                Nancy was too young to recall any impact that Bellmon had on the state's political climate but (in the 1950s) before Roe vs. Wade OK had criminalized even the act of seeking an abortion. Apparently that saturated the water supply.

              1. With OK's current rate of transmission number estimated to be 1.3, there's a strong possibility someone will die within a couple of months from attending this shitshow. 

                1. It might be 1.3 outside the arena with some amount of  social distancing and masking. Who knows what it would effectively be inside the arena at the height of delusional fervor tonight.

                  Looking forward to the contact tracing that can be guesstimated by tracking cellphones leaving the arena and the correlation with the spread across Dump's Amerika.

  4. I wouldn't be surprised if Billy Barr's next career move after leaving the DOJ next year will be running the steam press in the prison laundry room.  

    The Justice Department moved abruptly Friday to oust Geoffrey S. Berman, the U.S. attorney in Manhattan overseeing key prosecutions of President Donald Trump’s allies and an investigation of his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani. But Berman said he was refusing to leave his post and his ongoing investigations would continue.

    “I have not resigned, and have no intention of resigning, my position,” Berman said. His statement came hours Attorney General Bill Barr said Berman was stepping down from his position.

    1. Interesting update, Harry. As far as I'm aware, the president has authority to remove U.S. attorneys. How does the A.G. fit in? 

      If Barr was smarter than he seems, he should be looking at his next steps, which, sad to say, I doubt would be going to prison.

      Early voting begins in about three months. 

      1. Berman isn’t a Ttump appointee, he was chosen by a panel of judges to fill the position as a result of the OD failing to nominate anyone to fill the Preet Bhara vacancy (he was hoping for a vacuum).  It appears that to get rid of Berman under these circumstances he has to nominate someone that Schumer and Gillibrand didn’t object to – and they’d then have to be confirmed by the Senate. Can you imagine the concerned brow we’d get from Susan Collins as she was forced to take a vote to replace the man investigating Ttump’s (and Rudy) shenanigans under the SDNY’s jurisdiction? 

        Buy some popcorn. 

         

        1. Thanks, Michael. Prior to seeing this, I had also seen an explanation on Yahoo. I think some lawyer who runs, or used to run, the SEC has been nominated. The corruption surrounding Barr's action will, yes, make for some interesting "brow furrowing" in the Senate.

          1. Things just got more interesting CHB: 

            (I’m passing you a note cuz my boss is a chickenshit)

            Any over/under on whether it’s been leaked to them by a SCOTUS staffer that they’re about to lose the tax cases?

            Trump fires Geoffrey Berman, top federal prosecutor in Manhattan after he refused to resign, Barr says

            “Because you have declared that you have no intention of resigning, I have asked the President to remove you as of today, and he has done so,” Barr said in a terse letter to the prosecutor.

            From the NYT:

            No definitive and settled Supreme Court precedent exists to look to for guidance, and federal statutes appear to conflict on the question. That sets up the possibility of a protracted fight in court if the Trump administration pushes forward and Geoffrey S. Berman, the United States attorney for the Southern District of New York, continues to resist.

            But legal experts pointed to a 1979 Justice Department opinion to suggest that the ultimate result of any courtroom confrontation will likely be that President Trump — though not Mr. Barr — has the authority to fire Mr. Berman.

            “It’s probably the case that Trump, but not Barr, would have to remove Berman and take the political responsibility for doing so,” said Martin S. Lederman, a Georgetown University law professor who served in the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel in the Obama administration.

        1. Reading around this morning, it appears there are multiple clauses in the appointments legislation.  So, there are likely additional exchanges ahead.

          Barr's announcement said there was another interim who would take over as of July 3, and an already confirmed SEC commissioner who would be nominated to serve as US Attorney.  So, there may be some legal niceties [Trump may have to announce the firing instead of Barr, there may be a waiting period until the July 3 takeover date, or someone may get a preliminary ruling from a judge — in the same district that the judges unanimously appointed him]. 

          1. AP – The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said he was unlikely to proceed with Clayton’s nomination unless New York’s senators, Democrats Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand, gave their consent to the pick. Schumer already has said the bid to oust Berman “reeks of potential corruption of the legal process.”

            The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., said his committee was inviting Berman to testify this coming week. Schumer called for the department’s inspector general and Office of Professional Responsibility to investigate.

              1. If he’s deferring to Chuck and Kirsten on this one (I know it’s tradition, but….) while under the thumb of the Majority Leader you know he’s looking over his shoulder. 

      2. This is for CHB. Long thread with plenty of popcorn available!  Maybe they can dust off the RICO Act and get Trump, Barr and Giuliani on conspiracy to commit obstruction of justice.  And once the investigations by various legal organizations, at the very least Barr and Giuliani get disbarred 😉

          1. Interesting thought, Harry. I'm still of a slightly different mind, however. If Trump loses in November, his usefulness to Putin ends pretty quickly. Would not be surprised if Trump has a fatal heart attack or stroke sometime in 2021.

  5. I'm having a great time reading through the "Tulsa Rally" coverage and follow-on comments. 

    Best video clip I saw … "press area" of the overflow venue outside, with BLOCKS of empty space up to the few people in front of the stage.  Trump's voice coming through loud speakers. 

    One observer was wondering if it was worse to set up an outdoor venue and not need it.  Or to have equipment appear and start tearing it down while the inside event is going on.  Either way, doing it in front of media "assigned" to the media area insures there will be some coverage in the news.

    1. I don't think this is going to do it for the Cheetolini.

      And this on top of his Magats failing to show up for "Maga night at the Whitest House" a week or so ago, when his "army" failed to protect him from the agitators and anarchists.

      I watched a portion of the rally…talk about low energy.

  6. Happy Father's Day, guys. Enjoy your socially distanced and safe celebrations. Keep on protecting, providing, and nurturing your families, and working towards a better day.

    1. Pity they couldn't find the video of Biden going DOWN the ramp, too.

      Did you hear the excuse for his using 2 hands to drink?  "I saluted so many times.  Probably 600 times….. "  So, I'm wondering … The Hill wrote "Around 1,100 cadets will receive their diplomas on Saturday."  Why did Trump salute only a bit over half of them?

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