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October 20, 2010 03:47 PM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“I cannot help fearing that men may reach a point where they look on every new theory as a danger, every innovation as a toilsome trouble, every social advance as a first step toward revolution, and that they may absolutely refuse to move at all.”

–Alexis de Tocqueville

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50 thoughts on “Wednesday Open Thread

  1. I have Google ads pointing to my ColoradoBallot site for the following words, so any search in Colorado against those words will show below. The number is the number of impressions which is the number of times those words appeared in a search. Total is for yesterday only. So it’s a snapshot of how many people are looking up what.

    Clearly Bennet/Buck is by far the race that most people are looking up on the web. And next is the challangers for the 3 less well known state positions. Also interesting (not in the numbers I pulled) is most terms I get about a 5% click through rate, but for Stan Garnett & Bernie Buescher it’s 20% – no idea why.

    ken buck
    3,636
    colorado amendment
    2,910
    michael bennet
    1,847
    colorado amendments
    1,760
    bennet buck
    897
    amendment 63
    711
    amendment 60
    611
    ballot initiatives
    598
    stan garnett
    387
    scott gessler
    373
    walker stapleton
    306
    amendment 101
    304
    betsy markey
    295
    sample ballot
    268
    john suthers
    236
    cory gardner
    226
    bernie beuscher
    212
    senate election
    202
    dan maes
    189
    hickenlooper tancredo
    163
    election amendments
    150
    amendment 62
    126
    senate candidates
    91
    amendment vote
    89
    scott kimball
    89
    colorado initiatives
    88
    ballot review
    88
    maes tancredo
    81
    ballot information
    76
    colorado initiative
    74
    ballot amendments
    73
    senate race
    66
    amendment ballot
    65
    constitutional amendments
    61
    ballot measures
    54
    colorado constitutional amendment
    48
    amendment 61
    45
    markey gardner
    41
    colorado constitution amendments
    38
    election amendment
    36
    representatives election
    33
    bernie buescher
    26
    colorado constitution amendment
    25
    cary kennedy
    22
    ballot initiative
    22
    constitutional amendment
    21
    garnett suthers
    20
    ballot 101
    16
    kennedy stapleton
    16
    cory gardner
    16
    1. are actually reading the content on your site.

      I checked it out to see who you were supporting for AG, and almost had a heart attack when I saw an X in the box next to Suthers (and Maes for Gov).

      I get that the X means don’t vote for this candidate, but it could be a bit confusing for someone trying to quickly fill out a ballot or self-help election cheat sheet. Usually a check mark or X implies support on a ballot.

        1. Based on my viewing a similar site you had in the primary season that the prevalence of searches for Buck over Bennet would be a good thing for Buck.  

          Is that how you read it?

          1. My initial guess on that is it is due to his comments on Meet the Press. So I’d say this is not a good sign for Buck – moderates heard his comment about gays, etc. and are now looking for more info.

            As they find that additional info I think they’ll find Bennet’s moderate stance much closer to them than Buck’s very conservative stance. So no, I don’t think this is good for Buck.

    2. It’s also funny the searches for Buescher appear to be mostly for a misspelled version of his name. Not a lot of interest in Cary Kennedy, is there?

  2. “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”  

    Maxims for Revolutionists, George Bernard Shaw

    and

    “As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man.

    There are only four things certain since Social Progress began. That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire.  

    And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

    And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins

    When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,

    As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,

    The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!”

    The Gods of the Copybook Headings, Rudyard Kipling  

        1. High Beck information, low on facts!

          They just run with Beck emotion and have no idea what is real.  One day they will discover that Beck has conned them all the way to his bank account!

          Has anyone ever determined how much money the veterans received from his ‘honor’ rally, after the rally expenses?  If what went to the veterans was sizable, there would have been headlines pushing it.  If they are there, I have somehow missed them.

    1. Maes is a diversion, a decoy.  As long as Republicans/media are talking about how horrible Maes is, nobody is vetting Tancredo. I think that Tancredo, Wadhams and Maes are friendly. I think that attention on Maes is a godsend for the repubs…who are committed to Tancredo.

      There have been no  anti-Tancredo ads; there have been only anti-HIckenlooper ads.  What the Hick doesn’t understand is that refuting lies is not the same thing as running negative ads.

      Tommy is getting a pass….slick as snot.  Nobody is asking him any questions at all:  

      These are the questions I have:

      1) The history of emotional illness….what is Tancredo’s mental status now?  His rigidity towards people who he claims are “different” ..not “aculturated”…don’t share American values….Miami is a third world city, everybody should speak English, bomb Mecca, etc.  It is the rigidity which is of concern to me.  A history of emotional illness should not be a disqualifier…..hiding it or obscuring the treatment could be.

      2) Tancredo has never worked in the so-called “free market place.”  He has been in various government positions or non-profits positions his whole life.  So what business experience does he actually bring to the office which would let him “create jobs?”

      3) Tancredo has spelled out some things he would do…

      -Cut $250,000,000 from mediaid.  He needs to specify what programs would be eliminated and what impact that would have.

      4) Tancredo has said that he would “stop illegal immigration”….he needs to spell out how he would do that, legally.

      5) What interests fund the Independence Institute?

      I don’t think that Tancredo can be dismissed.  I think he probably is going to be the next governor in Colorado…unless the Tancredo is confronted……

      Disclaimer:  I don’t take SOMA and I don’t respond to bj.

      1. I think you’re on to something here, dwyer. Blogs are ignoring Tancredo, ads and 527s’ are ignoring him, and Hick is ignoring him. Yet, he’s the front runner. At this point, it’ time to draw some distinctions and fast.  

        1. Except that he’s not, he’s 5-11 points behind Hickenlooper, based on the two most recent polls out this week.

          Maes and Tancredo hate each other, though that doesn’t rule out Maes being an unwitting dupe in the scenario Dwyer describes. But Dwyer’s right about one thing, if someone’s going to sneak up on conventional wisdom during this wave year, it will likely be Tancredo.

            1. The front-runner in a race for second-place is still a loser. That said, the concerns Dwyer raises are valid — the Hickenlooper campaign, it looks like, is assuming “everyone knows” how crazy Tom Tancredo is. This might not be the year to rest on that assumption.

              1. Glad we’re all clear on it now.

                Tancredo may be “the loser” but it seems he is the opponent that is running closest to Hickenlooper. Thus my and dwyer’s points.

                The Dems need to focus their fire on him and are currently at a loss for how to do so. It appears they are running on the theory that he and Maes will split out the vote and the Party can sit back and watch Hickenlooper walk in. I think that’s a dangerous theory to guide a governor’s campaign less than 2 weeks away from election day and with mail in ballots already being sent back in.

                Agreed on the rest of dwyer’s points, as I stated in my original comment and you have been so kind as to reiterate twice in yours.  

      2. But I think this whole situation has been so wierd that the parties do not have a playbook as to how to handle it and Hick has not been doing as well as I expected. It should be an interesting two weeks.

      3. refuting lies is not the same thing as running negative ads

        And asking questions is not the same thing as negative ads either.

        As Maes’ support keeps dropping, all those votes are going to Tancredo. I also think Hick should be very worried.

        1. For one thing, there are significant numbers of latino republicans.  They won’t go to Tancredo come hell or high water.  They can live with hick.  Likewise, republican businessmen who can’t live with Maes have a kindred spirit in Hick.

      4. People shouldn’t assume that everyone knows about his terrible history.

        It would be an absolutely disaster for Colorado if he somehow slips under the radar screen. Hickenlooper can’t do it himself because of his (naive) promise to run only positive ads. Tancredo should be getting the full Ken Buck treatment based on his past stomach-churning antics.

  3. from NY Times

    Koch Industries, the longtime underwriter of libertarian causes from the Cato Institute in Washington to the ballot initiative that would suspend California’s landmark law capping greenhouse gases, is planning a confidential meeting at the Rancho Las Palmas Resort and Spa to, as an invitation says, “develop strategies to counter the most severe threats facing our free society and outline a vision of how we can foster a renewal of American free enterprise and prosperity.”



    Those efforts, the letter makes clear, include countering “climate change alarmism and the move to socialized health care,” as well as “the regulatory assault on energy,” and making donations to higher education and philanthropic organizations to advance the Koch agenda.

      1. Re: your quite rare forays into vulgar invective:

          In a vulgar age, only the person of known refinement retains the power to shock.

           –William F. Buckley Jr.

        (to avoid all doubt, please consider this as a compliment.)

          1. Took National Review for many years.

            I’ve read all his Blackford Oakes books and many others.  A few years ago, I reread all the Oakes books, in Chronological order.  I still had most but got the ones I had mislaid from the library.  What a lovely writer.  If you read nothing else, read his See You later, Alligator — an amazing portrait of Che Quevarra.

               He had a similar quote to the above that involved the town whore blushing deep scarlet because someone uttered the word “Damn” in her presence;-)

  4. Readers allergic to either/both should stop reading NOW.

    Now that we’re down to a handful, consider this: In American Democracy c. 2010 we are debating fantasies. “Will the Fairie Queen arrive before midnight, or after?”

    Another example:

    But while polls show that the Republicans’ message is succeeding politically, Republican candidates and party leaders are offering few specifics about how they would tackle the nation’s $13.7 trillion debt, and budget analysts said the party was glossing over the difficulty of carrying out its ideas, especially when sharp spending cuts could impede an already weak economic recovery….

    The parties share blame for the current fiscal situation, but federal budget statistics show that Republican policies over the last decade, and the cost of the two wars, added far more to the deficit than initiatives approved by the Democratic Congress since 2006, giving voters reason to be skeptical of campaign promises.

    More details can be read here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10

    Cut spending where precisely. It’s the precisely part that’s missing, and will continue to be missing, until the Good Fairie delivers the answer. When invited to provide details in advance, advocates of this course on this site reply by saying:

    For those braced for more factual analysis, a look at the Tory budget cuts in Jolly Olde might also be of interest. One detail: in an effort to reduce spending, the Conservatives plan to reduce the Royal Navy to the smallest size since … Henry VIII.

    So, there are those would urge that we step, none too gingerly, into an undefined Utopia where spending is reduced but no one minds. Once there….?

  5. from The Cranky Product Manager

    Admittedly, most of these are pretty mild.  After all, she doesn’t feel she was every denied a promotion or made less salary because she was female. She was never pressured to “do” anyone.  And she honestly believes that the overwhelming majority of men she has worked with really WANT to see more women in technical and product roles, and to see them advance.

    But still.



    2. Booth babes at Trade Shows. Every year. And having people assume that the Cranky Product Manager is a know-nothing booth babe who doesn’t know CSS from NoSQL.

  6. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo

    Punch line: My dog got welfare because “my Dog is black, unemployed, lazy, can’t speak English and has no frigging clue who his Daddy is.”  Email sent by the Virginia Beach Republican Party chair.  Explanation: I was getting familiar with the internet and forwarded this email without reading it.  Result: Virginia Beach Republican party chair was forced to resign 2 weeks before the election.  That’s gonna leave a mark….

    1. To be clear: not all cons are racists, but a whole lot of them are. I’ve seen the emails that got passed around courtesy of some of my Republican in-laws, and the jokes were right up this alley.

      1. a conservative co-worker of mine loves to get my goat by sending those e-mails to me. He killed two birds with one stone with an e-mail about Hillary and Barack during the 2008 primary.

      2. The email in question is the kind of thing I received in the past from my former sister-in-law. That is, until I told her that I didn’t share her views, did not find this stuff funny at all, and asked her to stop sending it to me. My former sister-in-law then told me to kiss her a$$ and that she never wanted to hear from me again. No problem! (well, at least on the second part…)


  7. Amendment I (1791)Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Amendment XIV (1868)Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Amendment XVI (1913)The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census of enumeration.

    Amendment XVII (1913)The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures.

    When vacancies happen in the representation of any state in the Senate, the executive authority of such state shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, that the legislature of any state may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

    This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.

    I know, not fair – you can’t fit all that on your hand.

    1. “Where does it say that in the Constitution?”

      She’s so dumb.

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion …”

  8. Joe Miller’s Alaska security detail tied to extremists

    Alaska Senate GOP candidate Joe Miller’s security detail, Drop Zone Security Services, made headlines this week for detaining a journalist at a Miller campaign event. Now, several Alaska blogs reveal that the security company Miller hired is tied to an extremist militia group and didn’t have a current business license.

    William F. Fulton, the owner of Drop Zone, is a local commander and “supply sergeant” of the Alaska Citizens Militia, Palingates blog reported Wednesday. The blog identifies the militia’s leader as Norm Olson, the man identified last year by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a “radical among radicals” who had founded the extreme Michigan Militia before setting up shop in Alaska. The center reports that Olson drew widespread attention for stating that Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols had attended a Michigan Militia meeting not long before the bombing.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_

  9. Why Did Virginia Thomas Call Anita Hill After All This Time?

    According to a transcript published by ABC News, Ginni Thomas’ message asked Hill to “consider an apology sometime and some full explanation of why you did what you did with my husband.” She also asked Hill to “give it some thought and certainly pray about this.” Hill, a professor at Brandeis University in Waltham, Mass., called campus security, which then called the FBI.

    It takes me back to 19 years ago and the days of “Long Dong Silver” and a “High-Tech Lynching” gone wrong. You’d think Thomas might be a bit more sensitive to the trivialization of lynching, but this whole story has always been bizarre.

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