Iowa Caucus Night Open Thread

UPDATE: So, uh, Politico reports:

The Iowa caucuses spun into disarray late Monday, as reporting inconsistencies delayed results and cast an air of doubt over the first contest of the 2020 primary campaign.

The disorder on caucus night threatened to last far deeper into the night, and most of the candidates responded by delivering remarks to their supporters before the final votes were reported, skating past the issues and declaring they would move on to New Hampshire, the site of the next contest.

Are we witnessing the final Iowa caucus? Stay tuned…


It’s the end of the beginning.

47 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. MADCO says:

    I strongly dislike the caucus process as a primary method.
    And I strongly dislike musical theater and movies.


  2. JohnInDenver says:

    I’d forgotten that song … but it does suggest the long history of Iowa people at a caucus able to stand nose to nose and never see eye to eye.

  3. Pseudonymous says:

    Found him.

  4. RepealAndReplace says:

    No need to worry. The data is all backed up on a server in Petrograd.

    Isn't technology great!

  5. Powerful Pear says:

    Democrats interfering in their own Democrat election. 

  6. Nasty Woman says:

    Maybe, just maybe, we can kill the caucus.  Iowa is also a canary for all the new and "secure" systems out there.  The next administration and congress must make national voting systems a priority. 

    • No, Iowa's app isn't a canary. It's what happens when you pay some unknown company helpfully called "Shadow Inc." to develop a tally app and don't have it ready and tested well in advance.

      I've said this before: I'm a firm believer in letting parties run their own nominating processes, or paying the government to help. Let the party suffer for this stupidity, because that's what it is and who is responsible.

      • kwtree says:

        Denver piloted the same “Voatz” app for overseas voters in last May’s municipal election. Judging by the independent audit, it worked well. 100% satisfaction by users compared to the old “scan ballot and email” method. 


        It appears to me that the training and implementation, not the app, were at fault. Caucus voting is more complex than regular municipal voting, so there could be coding issues with the caucus version of the app. I’m going to take caucus training this weekend, and will see if we’re really going to use the Voatz app here. 

        It has to be better than the “by hand” caucus of 2016, which finally gave us an extra Bernie delegate months after caucus was over. 

        • I suspect it's not the same app used last night. The DNC rejected a virtual voting app for Iowa's use; this was tally app, not a voting app.

          The Iowa party says the software failed to report complete results, so I'd say the app is at fault.

          • Voatz is a Massachusetts based company; it produces a self-titled mobile voting app that uses blockchain technology. The Iowa app is from a company called Shadow, Inc. that appears to be decentralized between NYC, Denver, and DC; it produces a dataflow app called Lightrail that may be the underpinning of last night's caucus app. From Shadow's website:

            As the Iowa Democratic Party has confirmed, the underlying data and collection process via Shadow's mobile caucus app was sound and accurate, but our process to transmit that caucus results data generated via the app to the IDP was not. Importantly, this issue did not affect the underlying caucus results data. We worked as quickly as possible overnight to resolve this issue, and the IDP has worked diligently to verify results.

        • Well, there's no Presidential caucus this year in CO. Top race is Senate. And AFAIK based on a conversation I had locally, there will be no real changes to the process.

  7. Powerful Pear says:

    We’ve seen this before when Obama spent a billion dollars on a website for Obama Care that didn’t work. Dems are much better at coming up with a ribbon to wear.  Maybe, “Iowa caucus results matter”.

  8. Powerful Pear says:

    Iowa Democratic Chair said its going to take more time to screw over Bernie Sanders than we had expected.

  9. MADCO says:


    Maine and California voting voting has begun.

    NH is Saturday.



  10. Meiner49er says:

    Iowa blew it last night, but let's not forget in part this was because the DNC strictly dictated the "modernization" of this year's caucuses to the IDP in order to make them newsworthy. (Hint: they're doing the same in CO).

    We don't need to kill the caucus.

    Iowans should be able to determine their delegates as they choose. What we need to kill is the quaintly classist and anthropological notion actively perpetuated by the media that Iowans are some sort magical hobbits popping out of their "primitive" holes in the middle of the deep winter to offer a magical projection of the campaign to come. This, most of the campaigns did by ignoring the disaster, and heading off to New Hampshire.

    • MADCO says:

      Don't buy the GOP narrative.

      Iowa blew nothing. They're counting – same as always.

      My 61 year old cousin, Ray,  is a Sanders precinct captain in an eastern Iowa neighborhood – his 82 year old mother in-law hosted caucus last night. His estimate is Sanders won 18 or 19 delegates last night.
      CNN can't report it – which is fine by Ray.


    • JohnInDenver says:

      Where do you see DNC dictating to the Iowa Democratic Party?? 

      As best I can tell, DNC made three decisions about the Iowa Caucus:

      * requiring an absentee option for voters who couldn’t attend the regular caucus.

      * In late August 2019, the DNC ordered both the Iowa and Nevada Democratic state parties to scrap their plans for “virtual caucuses” because of security concerns.

      * On September 20, 2019, the DNC conditionally approved a plan for “satellite caucus sites” that will allow Iowa Democrats to participate if they are working or going to college outside of the state on February 3, 2020.

      • One more thing, which is partially responsible for needing a custom reporting app: one of the Sanders-requested reforms was getting a voter tally from the caucuses and not just a delegate-equivalent count. So this year's results will report the first alignment (who voters initially caucused for), the final alignment (who voters ultimately sided with after threshold concerns and other things), and the delegate equivalents.

  11. RepealAndReplace says:

    Timing is everything……

    It will be nice if the results are announced right as You-Know-Who is starting to give his SOTU speech tonight.

  12. MichaelBowman says:

    Given that most of Iowa is on the wrong side of the Digital Divide this conversation is a yawner. Taking interwebs scolding from a man who uses an unsecured phone is delicious, let alone in the midst of an agricultural community under siege by his policies.  I’m hoping for an announcement about the time the SOTU commences. 

    • Duke Cox says:

      For those who choose to watch…I will drink to your sacrifice.

      Personally, I plan to go into the studio, plug in “Irene”, open that bottle of rye whiskey, and play guitar while the Orange Destruction continues to foul Americas’ air by speaking.

      Today is my Cats’ birthday. 

      Screw T***p and the people who enable him. I am going to spend today ignoring politics….mostly😁

      • Genghis says:

        Haven't watched or listened to a SOTU since the year Dubya blabbered on for 15 minutes about how steroids were ruining major league baseball. You'd think it would get easier to tolerate vacuous, pandering codswollop with age, but the opposite is true in my case.

        Have fun in the studio! I only recently found out about the Swedish prog/metal band Opeth, and they're coming here early next month. While Trump shits himself on TV, I shall be familiarizing myself with Opeth's back catalogue.

    • RepealAndReplace says:

      "let alone in the midst of an agricultural community under siege by his policies"

      But Michael, I saw Joni Ernst the other day on a Sunday talk show crowing about how Trump's agricultural policies are great for farmers in the long run.

    • MADCO says:

      paper forms getting counted – I trust that and so will Iowa 

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