MLK Day 2020 Open Thread

“Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.”

–Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.


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  1. Conserv. Head Banger says:

    New York Times has endorsed Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren for president.

    • VoyageurVoyageur says:

      Times is on target.  Biden, Bernie are way too old and politically bankrupt.  Warren at least can negotiate and compromise.  Amy is solid centrist with an inclusionary vision.  I've given money to both, along with kamala.

      You go, girls!

      • DENependent says:

        I’m interested in your thoughts about Mayor Pete given your positive view of Klobuchar and Warren.

        Not sure I’d call even Biden politically bankrupt, and I’m no fan. More like his plans don’t seem like a strong enough a starting position to negotiate with moderates & conservatives to produce results that might actually start fixing problems. He’d be another caretaker president. He does, however, have support. Enough to win unless Sanders drops out before S. Carolina and endorses Warren.

        I’d point at Congressman John Delaney as an example of being politically bankrupt. I was totally unaware of him until he was mentioned along with Michael Bennet as having less of a chance than Tulsi Gabbard in a January 18th Washington Post ranking. John is not even a congressman anymore so he’s got only a little more power than the average blog post writer.

        • VoyageurVoyageur says:

          Mayor pete is great but his resume is awfully slim for the presidency.  And frankly I think there still may be anti-gay prejudice.  Yeah, we have a gay gov but he has two kids, which helps normalize him.  I see pete as a possible veep.  But if we nominate a white guy, Amy will be veep.

          • RepealAndReplace says:

            Mayor Pete would have a serious problem with low support among older African-Americans over "the gay thing." I say that with a heavy heart because he would make a great president but reality is reality.

            In 2008, Prop 8 carried in California. Exit polls showed most white voters voted against it while black and brown voters – who were targeted by the supporters of the initiative – voted for it.

            I don't know if older African-American voters would go so far as to actively vote for Trump, but I fear that at a minimum, they would simply not be motivated to turn out.

            • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

              Surveys show the level of resistance to homosexuals in a variety of public settings or as leaders is nearly the same in White and Black populations.  Differences between them are easily accounted for by Black membership in Evangelical/fundamentalist churches and level of religious participation. 

              I'd be much MORE worried about the under 45 year old Blacks staying home, deciding the ticket was not "right" on civil rights and Pete as President (or VP) does not represent or respect the community.

        • RepealAndReplace says:

          And the only reason Tulsi is running ahead of Bennet and Delaney is because Hillary foolishly gave her a bump in the polls.

          (I realize how ridiculous this sentence sounds. Analyzing why one candidate is running only a third from the bottom ahead of the other two.)

          • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

            I sort of thought Tulsi was running ahead of Bennet & Delaney (which sounds like a 60's folk duo, actually) was

             * the not-left-enough-to-be-a-Bernie-bro bros liked her "no war for regime change" stance,

             * the way-too-centrist-to-be-a-Bernie-bro bros liked that she is in the military and is a surfer chick, and

             * there are some co-religionists, agnostics & atheists, and "spiritual but not religious" folks who like having someone who is not a mainline Protestant or Roman Catholic Social Gospel advocate.

    • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

      The Times "endorsement" of two possibilities for one spot is weakly reasoned.  It assumes Biden's lead in the polls comes from familiarity — as if Biden's supporters were not making a choice, but just sailing on without considering other candidates.  The familiarity would have needed to last over 6 years of Biden not being office, the same years which Sanders was continuing his campaign and his endorsement efforts to bring "Our Revolution" to the fore.  It would have needed to be maintained for three years when Warren was widely understood to be positioning herself as a candidate.

  2. PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

    • RepealAndReplace says:

      Then why is AOC still calling herself a Democrat? She can join Bernie's party.

      Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.

      Cue the Ride of the Valkyries……

      • Conserv. Head Banger says:

        The entire "Squad" needs to learn to be more strategic and knowing when to keep their mouths shut, and be more selective when opening. Every time one of them shoots off about abolishing ICE and "why don't we have open borders" (Omar's latest thing), they give more fuel for the far right wing, dark money, PACs. 

        Swing voters are key to getting Trump out in November. And many of them, like it or not, are somewhat supportive of Trump's immigration policies.

        • RepealAndReplace says:

          "The entire "Squad" needs to learn to be more strategic and knowing when to keep their mouths shut, and be more selective when opening."

          Precisely. They would be taken more seriously that way.

      • DaftPunkDaftPunk says:

        You sound just like a Trumpster yelling at Obama. “‘Murca’s great, it don’t need no change. If you don’t like it, leave!

        Or maybe stay and improve it from within.  Less fealty to corporate interests at the expense of labor and the environment would be a great place to start.

        p.s. You obviously didn’t listen to a word she said past the caption, nor offer any substantive rebuttal thereto.

      • In the scope of world politics, the Democratic Party as measured by its Congressional and Presidential members is a centrist party, leaning slightly right-of-center. And while it has become more enlightened over the years on social issues, it has if anything lurched rightward on economics, and sidled rightward on some autoritarian ideas.

    • notaskinnycooknotaskinnycook says:

      I think you probably have, R&R It seems there were many Bernites who voted for The Screaming Yam out of pure spite and malice. It makes me wonder, as a well-known T.V. shrink asks "How's that workin' out for ya?"

      • harrydobyharrydoby says:

        Exactly — they were angry and they wanted someone to throw the establishment types out (which Hillary epitomized in many minds).  They voted with their ids, not their brains.  I think Joe Biden’s appeal is that it lets people vote with their hearts.

        Whoever ultimately gets the nomination needs to find the magic formula of head, heart and tempered anger to gain back the Obama/Trump voters.  Steely determination helps too.  I think that is why the NYTimes picked both Warren and Klobuchar.

      • PseudonymousPseudonymous says:

        Last time I checked, the estimates for Sanders -> Trump switches were 6-12%.  Clinton -> McCain crossover numbers in 2008 were in the range of 15-24%.

        But, if the overwhelming concern is that disaffected Sanders voters will be the deciding factor in the next election, the only rational decision would be to work toward a Sanders nomination, since that will hold onto the bros while simultaneously allowing all of the more reasoned voters to hold their noses, vote for Sanders, and defeat Trump, which must be done at all costs.

    • DENependent says:

      Maybe you should read the whole article:

      A more important caveat, perhaps, is that other statistics suggest that this level of "defection" isn't all that out of the ordinary. Believing that all those Sanders voters somehow should have been expected to not vote for Trump may be to misunderstand how primary voters behave.

      For example, Schaffner tells NPR that around 12 percent of Republican primary voters (including 34 percent of Ohio Gov. John Kasich voters and 11 percent of Florida Sen. Marco Rubio voters) ended up voting for Clinton.

      • RepealAndReplace says:

        Perhaps, but 12% of Bernie voters (and Bernie voters were in the neighborhood of 45% or 46% of all the Democratic primary voters) is a hell of a lot more than 11% of Marco Rubio supporters (whom you could basically fit inside a phone booth).

  3. davebarnesdavebarnes says:

    I don’t like this holiday.

    It is too close to New Year’s Day.

    It should be in April when we need a holiday.

    • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

      It would be tough to have a MLK, Jr. Day in April unless it was on the day of his assassination, April 4.  Or we could revive Lincoln's birthday holiday and shift it to the date of HIS assassination (April 14) or when he died (April 15).

      Maybe we should have a holiday for the Equinox, which would be late March.

      • davebarnesdavebarnes says:

        Why does his holiday have to be connected to any date in his life/death?

        I give you Christmas as an example of non-connection.

        When I am King all holidays will be on Monday or Friday and spread evenly throughout the year.

        • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

          Speed the day.

          Were I king, I'd probably want to have four "national" holidays: Independence Day, New Year's Day, an early October Voting Day, and a April Environment Day.  The other six or seven could turn into "personal days" for your choice of holidays.

          Of course, that would mean the advertising agencies would need to come up with new campaigns for mattress firms and car lots, but I think most people would be willing to make the sacrifice.

        • Diogenesdemar says:

          Aren’t you too old to be King?? . . . 

          Anyway, a really smart King, would probably have Dave Barnes Day every Monday and every Friday?? It could be “connected“ to each week.  It’s what Donald would do . . . 

          PS — you try telling the world that Christmas isn’t connected to a birthday . . . 

          PPS — Good news, Groundhog day’s a comin’ — it’s not connected to a birthday!

          PPPS — As for April holidays, plenty of options, you probably should celebrate April Fools Day more bigly!

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    • Diogenesdemar says:

      Thank you, Erik

       “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial ‘outside agitator’ idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds.”

      Letter from a Birmingham Jail



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